Jeff Rense: OK,
and welcome back, glad you are along tonight. We are going to
talk to Mr. Tom Burnett. Dr. Burnett is with us Mondays, usually,
to bring us up to date on Fukushima and other things. Of course
we have America's Fukushima now, or at least potentially so,
the "Fukushima on the Missouri," not on the western
Pacific. Are you there Tom?
Dr. Tom Burnett: I am here, Jeff, good evening.
Rense: Yes, good evening. It is getting to
be crazy there. Los Alamos, of course, another crazy one. We
can start talking about Los Alamos and then switch over to Calhoun
if you like, and what I wanted to mention about Los Alamos is
-- this is not -- people's memories are are almost nonexistent.
This is not the first major -- they call it a brush fire --
it is a forest fire -- near Los Alamos. They had one years ago,
not that many years ago, less than ten, and at that time, in
that fire, there was some radioactive material burned, ie. ash
went up into the sky and came down in the environment and is
in the foliage now that it is being burned. So, if they were
to measure the air now, they would find radioactivity being
re-released from the last fire. This fire is now of course inside
the grounds of the facility. There are 30,000 pounds -- well,
30,000 barrels I think it is -- of plutonium-based radioactive
waste stored above ground under tents at Los Alamos. More brilliant
thinking.by American scientists.
Dr. Tom Burnett: Well Jeff, they really don't
have any choice. There is no place to put this stuff, so they
just put it outside and throw a tent over it and let it go.
And basically they do the same thing at every nuclear plant
in the world, except the difference with Los Alamos is they
do a lot of weapons research, and so their plutonium is a little
bit higher grade than the stuff that comes out of a nuclear
Rense: It is trick-plutonium, it is very clever
Dr. Burnett: It is not good, Jeff, let me tell
you that. It is not good stuff. So --and that fire is burning
away, and I really cannot comment on it. The Radnet, the U.S.
government nuclear regulatory or Environmental Protection Agency,
whoever happens not to be doing their jobs today, it
is not measuring it. They don't care. They say, "Well,
if Fukushima was many things, so this will not be anything either."
So, they just aren't going to tell.
Rense: They pulled their station out of Boise
Idaho, which I mentioned a couple of days ago in case you folks
missed it. They pulled their radiation monitoring and
equipment out of Boise Idaho. Out! It is gone. It is
not even there. Well, and remember during the -- go ahead.
Dr. Burnett: They had to do that because the
readings they were getting were --
Rense: Too high!
Dr. Burnett: Yes.
Rense: They were the highest in America around
March 15th, 16th, and 17th, from some sources, and they didn't
go down. They just stopped reporting them. Why it went to Boise
I don't know. It had to do with the jet stream going up and
over and coming back down there. The geography is such that
the mountain range kind of pooled the clouds up and the stuff
fell down on the Boise area. But this is interesting. Boise
is also the location of the fifty square mile, soon to be, Communist
Chinese, self-sustained city, upon which America law no longer
is effective and Americans can't go in unless the Chinese say
OK. So Boise is an interesting venue for a couple of things
Dr. Burnett: Well maybe I can get a visa and
go there and become a nuclear engineer. [Rense laughs]. All
their engineers have been trained at-- guess where they have
been trained, Jeff?
Rense: UC Berkeley, American institutions of
higher learning, they are the best. The University of California
had actually put a cap on Asian students or they would have
taken over as a majority of the student populations, so yes--.
Dr. Burnett: And Los Alamos Jeff.
Rense: Sure, of course. When -- who was it
-- doggonit, several presidents ago, perhaps even Nixon, was
complaining about the number of communist Chinese physicists
and scientists who were in Los Alamos. Some of the top people
in Los Alamos, the Americans were griping about that, and the
former head of the Ft. Detrick lab said that on any given day
he could go into our top bioweapons lab, and on that particular
day, any day, the majority of people in there would not be Americans
by birth or American citizens. There would be foreign scientists
in there, so --
Dr. Burnett: That is exactly correct, and why
is that? I do not know why that is, but it wouldn't be my first
choice. However, I don't get to make a choice any more. I am
apparently not a citizen any more. If I go to the [unintelligible]
right on track, if I go to the airport at my age, with is mid-60's,
and I just had an operation and I have to have some sort of
absorbent lining on because I just came out of surgery --
Rense: Of course --
Dr. Burnett: The TSA will pull me out, make
me get out of the wheel chair, strip, take it off, [unintelligible],
not give me another one.
Rense: These sons of hell need to be removed.
TSA needs to be shut down. I'm sorry. SWAT --
Dr. Burnett: It absolutely does. And you know
why it is doing that? Do you know why the FBI and the TSA and
everybody is going crazy? Because they can. Because
the President is not exercising any control whatever, or if
he is, it is the wrong kind of control. So that scares me too,
Rense: What President?
Dr. Burnett: Well, you know, well --
Rense: We have a teleprompter reader and a
partier, and an illegal --
Dr. Burnett: The golf guy, you know.
Rense: --- You mean the card-carrying member
along with Rahm Emmanuel of the oldest Chicago men's gay bath
house. That guy? I remember.
Dr. Burnett: Yes, that's the one.
Rense: The one with Reggie Love, his personal
assistant who flies behind Air Force One out of a private U.S.
taxpayer-paid for jet? I'll bet you they take the family dog
-- That one? Yes.
Dr. Burnett: I can't go there because I have
never seen that happen, although they do fly into Hawaii quite
often, and I don't live on Oahu, I live on another island, and
they send their overflow jet, the ones with the weapons on them,
the 747s that are weaponized and have interesting electronics.
They send them here and park them, and you can drive by, but
don't try to take a picture as you are going around, because
they will stop you and grab you. I had that nasty experience,
Rense: Well, taking pictures or videotapes
of police will soon be declared completely illegal and you will
be arrested like the woman in New York, Rochester New York.
The police did not like her taking images of them from her own
yard from across the street.
Dr. Burnett: From her own yard.
Rense: Yes, and so they arrested her.
Dr. Burnett: That is right. Pretty soon we
are all going to be in prison because I am going to be in prison
the next time I go on an airplane.
Rense: I would submit that we are already in
prison. Debt prison. We are physically in prison because our
movements are restricted now. We are under surveillance constantly.
We are being fed poisons. We are under usury laws. We are under
unconstitutional laws by the scores --the hundreds, and where
is Ron Paul introducing legislation to roll this stuff back?
Sorry, I haven't seen it yet.
Dr. Burnett: Gosh, Jeff, you know what, you
are stepping out of my area of expertise. Let us go back to
Rense: How about Calhoun? Tell us about Calhoun
and the great rubber water dam.
Dr. Burnett: OK, let me tell you about that.
You notice there have been no pictures of Ft. Calhoun since
May 24th --
Dr. Burnett: No, and there was one, but it
was pulled offline in about a minute from -- I think it was
MSNBC that had it online for about a minute, and let me tell
you something else. They -- in fact I had the whole story about
that disaster that was coming down. Right at this moment they
are on diesel backup power. It is not the ones that are built
in, it is that little one that is on wheels that they happen
to manage to get up high enough so that it isn't under water
like all the rest of them are. They are not on external power
at all, and let me tell you about the commissioner of the NRC
who supposedly went up there and had what -- a photo op. Had
an inspection? There are no pictures of him being there. He
didn't go! He got in a police car or some kind of car or a limousine,
and he drove on a back dirt road to within about four miles
of the place so that he could see it down the hill, under water,
and he said "Oh well, that looks pretty safe to me,"
and he turned around and left. There is a story going around
-- his press release -- that he got in a boat and was driven
over and crawled across the berms and crawled around on wet
sand bags in his $400 shoes and $2,000 silk suit. And let me
tell you something, that didn't happen. It just didn't. He got
close enough to look and he said "That looks OK to me,
and he jumped back in his car, and off he went, because he had
an important meeting at the G-20.
Rense: That's right. In and out. Hang on a
second, Tom. We'll be right back. By the way, the famous rubber
water-filled berm failed because somebody with a back hoe was
putting sand behind it and accidentally rubbed up against it.
That was the reading I got at one story. Hilarious. They punctured
it, and the thing fell like a house of cards. All right, back
in just a minute. [11:20]
Rense: All right, let's get right back with
Dr. Tom Burnett. How long have you known, or do you feel that
you are certain enough they are currently on a backup power
system, Tom, that we should begin a count-down of sorts?
Dr. Burnett: Oh, it was reported this afternoon.
Rense: Well they supposed went off, and then
went back on to their primary source.
Dr. Burnett: No, no, no. Yeah, they said they
did. But they have said a bunch of things but in point of fact,
I believe, in fact I know, there is a report that they were
on diesel backup power when the secretary, when the commissioner
of the NRC drove around the area --
Rense: I read that. I did see that too, yes.
Dr. Burnett: OK, so they were on a diesel unit.
Now they have two built-in diesel units, and those two units,
they are about, they are air intakes about half covered with
water, so I am going to take a wild guess that they aren't running,
and because somebody popped the condom and seven feet of water
flowed in, this is what they said, of course, "Oh, there
is no danger, we have a secondary backup system." You know
what that backup system is? It is a hundred sandbags around
every door and every room and every entrance. [Rense laughs].
That is great, except --except -- that we are talking about
a couple hundred thousand cubic feet of water a second
flowing through there. So let me tell you what is going on Jeff.
Everything that is below water level, is below water. It has
got water in their control room, their electrical panels. They
have water in them. They are running -- if they are running
it on the external power, it is the external generator they
brought in on wheels upon a trailer --
Dr. Burnett: -- And if it is running at all,
it has to be bypassing their entire electrical system
to get power to the batteries. And in my experience people will
take batteries and stick them away somewhere where they are
safe, and typically they don't elevate them too far. So I called
it, actually I called it yesterday. I said that 88 hours from
1:30 AM Sunday, we will know if there is a problem, and if there
is, it will pretty much be too late to do anything about it.
In fact, it is too late now. There is nothing they can do about
Rense: They have got muddy water on the turbine
Dr. Burnett: OK, so the turbine building is
where the water from the reactor in its operating goes to transfer
heat. And guess what else goes through the turbine building
to transfer heat? The cooling pool for the spent fuel. That
goes through the turbine building to be cooled, and it comes
back in there as super clean water. And if it doesn't, then
the temperature of that spent fuel pool is going up about 2
degrees an hour. And I suspect, I can't prove it -- I have no
sources on site -- I suspect that is what is happening right
now. I think they are running on one backup generator that they
are trying to keep their batteries charged with, and they have
88 hours of backup power. But I don't really believe that they
have 88 hours of battery power. So I think that somebody is
up there pulling out their hair right now trying to figure out
what to do, and they can't get any diesel fuel in.
Rense: Now a question --
Dr. Burnett: Sure.
Rense: Apparently it has been somehow admitted
finally by the NRC that -- and you have been talking about it
-- the spent fuel pool is quite a massive project. It is 40
feet below ground, and forty feet above ground. It is an 80
foot deep --
Dr. Burnett: It is thirty eight feet above
Rense: It is approximately 80 feet. It is a
big pool and it is in a big building, a red building.
Dr. Burnett: And it is full. And it is
Rense: Totally full, and they had to go to
the dry casks outside. And you can see the space they had allocated
for future dry cask storage. The dry casks, of course, are supposedly
impervious to floods, if the NRC is remotely accurate.
Dr. Burnett: Well you know what is really interesting
is that the dry casks outside are the only things left that
Rense: That is true.
Dr. Burnett: So that is wonderful.
Rense: That is interesting. They did build
that up high enough. The word that I have now, and many of you
have probably seen it, is that we are three feet away from a
hundred percent melt-down process. That's it.
Dr. Burnett: OK, and let me give you a stat.
There is predicted to be five to seven feet of water rise within
the next week.
Rense: Oh yeah, this is not going away folks.
This is not going to peak in a day or two and then go down to
some semblance of normalcy. This is not at all going to go away.
Dr. Burnett: No, no, this will continue. It
is still rainy out there. And the dams and levees that are open,
that is great. They are open basically all the way and they
are putting more water on this nuclear plant than it should
ever have had by about eight feet. But that is not the problem
yet. The problem is that if one levee -- if one levee
breaches -- or one other sand bag and the ones behind it start
washing away, I mean, we are talking about human error here.
We are talking about things that people made. We are not talking
about some perfect edifice that they can just turn off. They
can't turn a switch and say, "Let's just turn this whole
nuclear plant off, and don't worry about it, and let it sink,
and we'll walk away, and we'll come back next year" --
that's not happening. This is -- and I [unintelligible] fifty
times more dangerous than Fukushima --why? well, the reactor
is smaller than Fukushima. And it is offline. It is not running.
It is in cold shut down. But it is still fueled, although that
really doesn't matter when as long as they don't open it up.
Rense: Well, two thirds of the fuel is still
Dr. Burnett: What matters is that spent fuel
pool, because Ft. Calhoun is the designated storage
site for Nebraska and probably three or four states around it.
Rense: It wouldn't surprise me at all.
Dr. Burnett: I found that by going to the NRC
Rense: I wonder -- we have to take a break
here, hold on Tom, we have to pause. I wonder how many tons
are in that spent fuel pool that is maxed out. It is an enormous
amount. Which again, has to be kept cool. Remember that folks.
Stand by, Tom, back in a minute. [19:21]
Rense: OK, back with Dr. Tom Burnett. Talking
about the American situation which is obviously going
to get worse. What is your projection again, or the date of
your consulting about, five to seven feet over the next week,
and we are only three feet away from what they are saying --
Dr. Burnett: There is a chart on the USGS web
site which projects the flood level. And I looked at that, and
it predicted five to seven, or five to ten feet of additional
water height over the next three or four days. Of course these
are predictions. They are trying to predict the future, and
they can't. No one can predict the future. It might suddenly
all of a sudden go somewhere else. But if those projections
from the U.S. Government are correct, Ft. Calhoun has a problem
they cannot avoid.
Rense: No, they can't. The story I have here
is that there is a 100 percent chance of reactor core damage
if the flood waters go above 1,010 feet at Calhoun. This is
the NRC talking. It is right now 1,007 feet, so we are only
three feet away from meltdown.
Dr. Burnett: They were actually 109.5 I believe
at one point before the condom burst and they said "Oh,
no problem, we have four or five feet to go, la, la, la, but
you know they were fighting with the NRC for over a year because
the operators for the plant did not want to spend the money
to correct it.
Rense: Right. One of the worst plants in America,
Dr. Burnett: One of the three worst. One of
the three most dangerous, yes? And now that their primary abatement
tool, their solution, which was the rubber dam has burst --
actually it did not burst, they burst it. Welcome to Fukushima
America. If something doesn't break, just go out and break it.
Rense: Just turn a backhoe loose in the area
and swing that extend-a-hoe and get it anything they can reach.
Dr. Burnett: And you know, it is not funny.
It is horrible. It is sad. It is terrible. But I cannot believe
that -- I mean, who is in charge here? No one! No one is in
charge. There is no adult supervision.
Rense: The keystone cops are in charge.
Dr. Burnett: Well, maybe they are.
Rense: How could they break the rubber dam?.
Come on folks, this is absurd. The most important thing standing
between us and a potential Fukushima-grade catastrophe is this
rubber dam. How could they even start a backhoe up in the area,
let alone somebody working near it trying to load sand on the
back side. Give me a break. This is nuts.
Dr. Burnett: What people are not talking about
-- they are not talking about anything. They will not release
any photos. The commissioner of the NRC, I have not seen any
pictures of him touring the plant, as he supposedly did today.
Nobody north of -- in that part of Nebraska really understood
that he was even there except that all the deputy sheriffs went
up to the plant. But he didn't get into an airplane or helicopter.
He drove up in a car as close as he could get, and then he says,
or his press corps said, he motored across or swam across did
something, and got in there and as soon as he got in they offered
him a life jacket. And then he took his expensive silk suite
and his $400 shoes and he was running up and down the flooded
sand bags, which of course they wouldn't let him do anyway.
So I suspected that story. I suspect he got near enough to look
at it, because it would have damaged his reputation if he had
just jumped back in his plane and left. And then he said, "Oh,
I see it, that looks great" and then left. In fact, he
is gone. So your listeners can judge for themselves, but I think
that story is baloney. Now you can ask me at this point what
we are going to do with Ft. Calhoun, or you can jump to Fukushima,
because I am ready to slam the focus -- [24:30]
Rense: Let us go to Japan, because that is
getting to be insane. The Areva which of course is the primary
contractor of this so-called water decontamination machine they
have set up there. They put it online the other day and it was
shut down within an hour.
Dr. Burnett: OK, you know why?
Rense: It was put back on again today, and
they found so many leaks they shut it down in an hour and a
half. It ain't gonna happen, that is the bottom line. And --
and I asked you earlier today, because no one was talking about
it, let me set the stage, and you can fill in the blanks. I
said, "Tom, they are talking about cooling the
reactors. Number one, what are they cooling the reactors with?
Are they using fire hoses, or are they trying to run water,
as the suggestion is, through a piping system, the likes of
which they used before the earthquake. No one said anything
about that. OK, that is number one. Number two, how do you cool
a reactor, even with a piping system that has turned into a
molten piece of lava that is eating through the concrete and
heading south? So, and anyway Tom explained it, and pretty funny.
Dr, Burnett: Well, I probably shouldn't be
funny about that, because that is another disaster.
Rense: You have got to start laughing. It is
so pathetic, it is so over the top, we have got to chuckle,
or else we will all just have to cash in. It is just that bad.
Dr. Burnett: Let's be specific. Which reactor
are you talking about, because I can go down the line 1-2-3
if we have time.
Rense: Well they claim it was through all three.
They said all three were being cooled with this decontaminated
water. They didn't specify. They made it sound like all three
had their cooling systems still operable. Bull.
Dr. Burnett: Sure, OK, none of them had any
cooling systems operable, that is why they had that concrete
pump shooting water in through the top of them. All right?
Rense: Right, and fire trucks, yes.
Dr. Burnett: That's a lie. Now let me tell
you why the Areva decontamination system is not working. It
would work fine on, maybe, it would work fine, on soup-pure
water that had no contaminants in it. But the crap they are
pumping out of there is mud. So they are pumping it through
these tiny filters --
Rense: They are membranes--
Dr. Burnett: Basically the stuff that is in
there, it is not the same thing, but basically if you wanted
a comparison, you can call it [unintelligible] - and this stuff
takes tiny radionucleides out. But when you start pumping mud
through it, it works for about a minute, or in this case an
hour and a half. Then, the filter is full of radioactive mud
and doesn't work anymore, and they go "Oh! What is the
problem?" Well, the problem is that you can't pump mud
through a radionucleide filter. You have to pump super pure
water through it.
Dr. Burnett: And I do not think that anyone
in Japan, either they have no comprehension of what they are
dealing with --
Rense: Are they brain dead? That is the question.
I mean this is a no-brainer. We have got to take a break here,
hang on, back in a minute. One of the companies involved in
this decontamination equipment was in charge of removing the
cesium from the water. Well it picked up enough cesium to absolutely
overload its potential carrying capacity in five hours instead
of thirty days, so that took care of that part of it too. So
today they actually did try, apparently, to pump this water
through what was left of their piping-cooling systems. They
found so many leaks they had to shut it down in an hour and
a half. Done, that was the end of that too, so you see everything
they try is not only a joke, but it is a waste of time. There
is, as you said, there is nothing they can do, except create
more radioactive water with no place to put it. Will be right
Rense: OK, back with Dr. Tom Burnett, we are
talking about the catastrophe -- well, there are several --
but the biggie of course is Fukushima, which is not going away.
If you go down to the center of my home page at Rense.com
and look at the Japan nuclear disaster. It is all there. The
U.S. stories are all being collated for you as well under the
"U.S. Nuke Plants in Trouble," the "Japan Radiation
Coming to the U.S." box is also updated regularly with
radioactivity stories that impact you directly, and then the
first story is the Japan nuclear disaster box, which has a real
time world earthquake monitor. Take a look at that. The live
cam seems to come and go. Mostly it has been going lately. The
stories we have been talking about are right there. The new
improved Fukushima cooling system down after an hour and a half.
. Somebody wrote a very interesting essay about the melted fuel
moving down toward ground sea water. This brings up, actually
the author of that story was talking about building an underground,
I guess like a vertical wall straight into the ground, down
who knows how far. To keep the radioactive water from going
into the ocean, but he missed the point. Another story talked
about doing the same thing on the inland side of the destroyed
plant to keep the radioactive water from going down and moving
through the ground water and destroying the entire island of
Honshu. Don't know if either one of them could work, kind of
doubtful, we have got issues of neutron and gamma ray blasts
that no one can get near. Just little details. But tell us more
about the idea of building underground dams to keep the water
contained under the wrecked plant.
Dr. Burnett: OK, that won't work, and I wrote
that, as a matter of fact my first article about Fukushima in
March was that stuff was going to melt down and hit the ground
water, and this was going to be a huge problem. You know Jeff,
sometimes I wish I had two or three hours on your show instead
of an hour, but I am going to make this really fast.
Rense: I am going to give you another half
hour tonight, so you have got time.
Dr. Burnett: OK,well .I will make it fast,
but not that fast. First, let's go to Reactor One. Within a
day or two, or a few days, most of the people who were akamai
[Editor's note: "akamai" is a Hawaiian term for "wise"],
or who were aware of what was going on, realized that they had
meltdowns, because things don't explode just for the heck of
it. Nuclear plants just don't explode because they don't have
anything else to do. They were having fission events in there,
and those fission events were separating oxygen from what? From
nitrogen, no, from hydrogen.
Dr. Burnett: OK. Well -- I mentioned that because
I am going to throw liquid nitrogen in in a minute. And so one
blew up. A couple of months later they decided, "Well,
we are going to open Reactor One. They opened it and let several
million lethal doses of radioactivity out, and discovered that
the core had melted through the bottom. Good, good idea. So
the next thing we should think of, is just leave Reactor Two
closed, but oh no, they just said they are going to open that
up and throw a thermometer in the bottom. They opened it up
and let several billion doses of lethal radiation
out, and then that little mechanical thing they sent in either
crashed on the roof or wouldn't work. Well they sent people
in. Carbon-based humans. Just throw a thermometer on the bottom,
well, of course it melted because it is about 3,000 degrees
at the bottom. Those people came out and I'll bet you they are
not in good shape right now. Now they are talking about Reactor
Three. The spent fuel pools of Reactor Three. Well let me tell
you something. There is no spent fuel pool at Reactor Three.
And there is only about half of the core at the bottom. That
stuff is blown all to heck over five or ten or twenty kilometers
around Fukushima. It blew up. And so I have no idea
what they are even talking about, except I do know they pulled
a liquid nitrogen tank up to reactor Two.
Rense. Yes, a trailer. They trailered it in,
Dr. Burnett: OK, they were talking about pumping
nitrogen gas into Reactor One, why would you do that? Because
it displaces hydrogen and oxygen. And so it might keep it from
exploding again. But now they are thinking about pouring liquid
nitrogen into Reactor Two to cool it off. Well, that won't work.
So hopefully they will decide that will not work, and squirt
some nitrogen gas in there to displace the oxygen and hydrogen.
But that is not going to help anything. because when this stuff
gets through the bottom and hits ground water, it is going to
start creating oxygen and hydrogen from the water, and it is
going to start exploding. Bam, bam bam bam. One after another.
There is nothing they can do about it. OK, your question, can
we build dams to keep the ocean out? No. Can we build dams to
keep the groundwater out? No. What they could do, and I suggested
it,is they could get about a million people, and a bunch of
equipment, and dig a hole about a mile deep, and push this whole
mess into it. They would have to put a dam around the near side
of the hole to keep the water table and the ocean out of it.
Push this whole mess into it, and have all the people in charge
of TEPCO jump in after it, and cover it up.
Rense: [Laughter] Good. Good job.
Dr. Burnett: That is all that they can do with
that. But now they have a better idea. Now their idea is, "We'll
take all the fish that the fishermen are catching off Fukushima
Rense: The glowing fish.
Dr. Burnett: Those are the ones. "We will
process them and can them and either sell them at a huge discount,
or give them away to poor countries to --"
Rense: To help those developing nations. I
think that is a humanitarian gesture of the year!
Dr. Burnett: I think it is too. Wonderful.
Rense: It is called population control.
Dr. Burnett: A great idea. We can't poison
our own nation and everything around the Tropic of Cancer, around
the world, we are going to can this stuff up and poison the
rest of the world too.
Rense: Yeah, I know. It is hard to believe
this is happening -- hey, you couldn't make this stuff up, folks,
I mean it is bizarre. To keep the Fukushima fishermen prosperous,
and gainfully employed, they are going to buy their deadly fish.
And they are deadly. It is all bio accumulative. They are going
to process them, can them -- seafood, other types of things
beside fish too. And as Tom said, give them away or sell them
at a tremendous discount to developing nations. What is wrong
with that picture?
Dr. Burnett: Well, let me tell you a couple
things wrong. Everything is wrong with it. But again, it is
because --I heard the Japanese government, and/or TEPCO have
no comprehension of what is going on there. They just don't
get it. They don't understand what they have created. In fact,
they have got a publicity campaign going on to restart a bunch
of nuclear plants that they had shut down. You did read that,
Rense: All preposterous
Dr.Burnett: It is all ridiculous
Rense: Here is another one, while we are going
through these things and coming to the bottom of the next hour
we are going to Hong Kong to talk to Yoichi Shimatsu for his
report. And he has got a lot to say as well. We are looking
at now people up to 40 kilometers away from the destroyed plant
measuring 3 millisieverts in their urine. Now that is not a
good sign. They have also found Strontium 90 three miles off
the Fukushima shore. That does not mean it is not 30 miles offshore.
They just tested three miles offshore. It could be a hundred
miles. It could in the Gulf of Alaska. They don't know.
So when you get these results, remember, it is what is not said,
and what is not tested for that is crucial. So whatever we have
here you can extrapolate it almost as far and as much as you
want -- so there you go with that. 40 kilometers from the plant,
3 millisieverts in urine samples. Now Tom had a nuclear medicine
test recently on his heart, and if you listen to the program,
he was testing himself with a Geiger counter. I think at that
time it was a week after the procedure, and that Geiger counter
was absolutely roaring, and they told him it would be gone within
6 hours. They lied, and they lie to everyone. All these nuclear
medicine procedures, folks, are probably contributing to the
early deaths of countless tens of hundreds of thousands of Americans.
True. Are you still reading anything? Did you Geiger yourself
Dr. Burnett: I haven't Geigered myself recently,
in fact, it did go away. But, there is a web site called radiationnetwork.com.
And I happen to have the only 24-7 site that is monitoring in
the states. There are a couple more, but they go on and off
and mine tends to stay on. So -- and where I live, which is
on the east side, the windward side of the Big Island, which
is the southernmost island, we get the least radiation kickback
from around the Gulf of Alaska. Most of the time it goes up
around Kauai. But right now my instruments are reading 31 counts
Rense: I am watching that right now. Let me
tell you folks how to go there, and see Dr. Burnett's station.
Just go to the "Japan Radiation Coming to the U.S."
box, scroll down to the third item there, the "Live National
Radiation Network Map," click on that. At the top you will
see AK and HI, Alaska and Hawaii. Click on that, and you will
see Tom on the Big Island, on the east side, down to 24 counts
per minute, and as we slide into the top of the hour break,
we will come right back on the other side, another half hour
to go with Dr. Tom Burnett, stay tuned. [41:19]
Rense: OK, and welcome back, talking to Dr.
Tom Burnett about the issues both here and in Japan, and the
issues here are not looking good if the flood waters go up another
three feet. We are looking at according to what we are told
a one hundred percent chance of at least a partial melt-down.
And any melt-down is bad news. For reasons we have been talking
about for all these many, many weeks, since March 12th. OK,
where are we here? We are talking about Fukushima. No plan,
no hope, and now the children there are being told that they
are going to be wearing radiation dosimeters. These are kids
in Fukushima. The entire Prefecture which is like a big county.
They are told they are going to be asked to wear hats and to
gargle. Pretty well takes care of any radiation contamination
problems, doesn't it?
Dr.Burnett: No problem. The dosimeter sucks
up the radiation and your hat keeps it off you --
Dr. Burnett: And if you just gargle once in
a while, that is fine. In fact, you know Jeff, I have an analogy
that I learned from TEPCO and I am starting to learn from Nebraska.
And actually this afternoon I spent some little time looking
for a plug-in headset and microphone so that this cell phone
wouldn't irradiate my brain any more than it is. I could not
find it, so I just put on a pair of sunglasses and called it
good, which is exactly what they are doing.
Rense: .You are not one to learn slowly, are
Dr. Burnett: No, no, no. I catch on fast, and
let me tell you something else. A headline just popped up on
my computer and let me tell you about someone who just got fired,
although the name is not mentioned, he is fired now. The headline
at Nuclear Plant in Nebraska are Concerned Floods Could Trigger
a Disaster Similar to the One in Japan."
Rense: Send it to me, will you? What is the
source on that?
Dr. Burnett: I will have to send it to you.
It is too long.
Rense: All right, send it, please, I will put
it right up. So this is, look, they are three feet away, this
is an acknowledged amount of water, and now that the condom
is gone, they are at the mercy of the dams and the Corps of
Engineers, the melting of the snows in the upper Rockies, and
the torrential rains which are common, and even more common
this year than usual, according to some people. So it looks
as if Dr. Burnett is right, within the next week or so, flood
waters may rise seven to ten feet. And then we have a Fukushima
melt-down. It is one reactor, it is not three. It is a 484 megawatt
reactor, but that is all it takes, folks. We don't need three.
Dr. Burnett: The reactors are not going to
melt down. Well [laughter] --
Rense: Let me write that down.
Dr. Burnett: I'll walk that back in a heartbeat.
The fuel pool is what we are worried about. Now once that goes,
and the truth of the matter is Jeff, is if that fuel pool goes,
so goes Omaha Nebraska.
Rense: And many points east, sure. 17 miles
Dr. Burnett: That's right. And when this stuff
starts bouncing down the bottom of the Missouri River, and irradiating
all the -- I mean it would be such a --
Rense: They will just change the syllable,
the accent in Missouri. It will be the Misery River now.
Dr. Burnett: Well, it will take out everything
from South Dakota to the Gulf of Mexico, and there probably
is not much left in the Gulf of Mexico. It will go down and
connect and continue to connect, and all we can do is hope this
won't happen. We can hope that somebody was smart enough somewhere,
some time to say "Wait, we can't allow this to happen."
Lets take precautions, but from what I see, they just argued
about how much money it would take them to do it, and they didn't
begin to take precautions until June 6th.
Rense: That is right, it was just a few weeks
ago. They started, and then stopped with their efforts to deal
with potential flooding . They were still putting things together
just 12 days ago, 13 days ago now. They were just working up
to the last minute. This is one of the crummiest plants in America.
The top three worst. The NRC, as corrupt as that is, has been
arguing and fighting with these Calhoun-Cooper people for a
long time, and they are now going to potentially see the chickens
come home to roost. This is a real big issue folks, because
Tom, as I see it, they are either out of options, or they are
running out very quickly.
Dr. Burnett: They are out of options. They
used their options between June 6th and June 20th. They did
everything they could. They brought in another diesel generator
on wheels. They put in the rubber dam, filled it full of water.
They put in sand bags, and that is the extent of their plan.
And once that plan failed, they basically have no other options.
They are talking about reconnecting to external power. That
is not happening.
Rense:Why not? What is the problem? They claimed
-- they were boasting that they had both overhead power and
subterranean power to the plant.
Dr. Burnett: Well originally they did. Subterranean
power came into the plant because there were no power lines.
OK, it was all underground. Well, that is all well and good,
and that kind of washed out or got trashed, and then between
May and June 6th, or June 20th, they put in overhead lines,
and that is well and good too until the switch is flooded. We
are talking about 345 kilovolt lines, and those lines are now
inoperable. The only thing they have going for them right now
is one diesel generator that was recharging their batteries.
They don't have any external power because their electrical
systems has -- their panel room, their whole electrical infrastructure
was in the basement under water. And that is just the bottom
line. So unless somebody put a breaker box on top of the building,
and they can switch this stuff on and off to the cooling pool,
which they can't, they don't have many options left. They are
basically out of options. So once you run out of options, you
just start putting out good news. Oh yes, everything is safe,
no problem. But when the commissioner of the NRC gets within
a couple of miles and says, "Oops, that is it, I am out,"
and leaves, just like figure the odds. They have got a problem,
but nobody will admit it. But let me tell you something about
mid-America, the corn belt. These are real Americans up there.
These are people in Nebraska, Ohio, South Dakota. These are
people who are not going to put up with it. In fact, I have
had a bunch of emails saying, "You know what, if these
people lie to us --"
Rense: They already have.
Dr. Burnett: Oh yeah. There is going to be
a huge problem out there.
Rense: Yes, pitch forks and torches in that
part of the country.
Dr. Burnett: Oh please. So they had better
be telling the truth. You know, I believe that in Japan you
can get away with a whole lot of stuff that you can't here.
But you had better be telling Americans the truth about something
that is serious, because if you aren't --
Rense: Well, we will see. The EPA has already
proven itself quite competent in terms of lying, directly. Bald-faced
lying. The NRC, the same way. You name the federal agency, and
every damn one of them is a liar. So I don't -- I admire these
people for being conditional in their anger, well if -- if we
-- that's fine, but it has already happened, folks. You have
been lied to. You have been had. They had the ability to make
this plant safe. They didn't. This is a simple choice. They
didn't choose to spend the money to do it. And one rubberwater-filled
berm, and one back hoe, and all the best-laid plans of mice
and rats -- you notice that I didn't say men, are gone. Just
Dr. Burnett: The best laid plans of mice and
men often go awry. Yes Jeff, that is correct.
Rense: Mice and rats. OK, back in a minute
with Tom, as we continue [51:45]
Rense: OK, lets get right back to Tom Burnett.
What I am going to do Tom is play the story you just sent me.
The CNN story. It is only two and a half minutes or so. I want
to hear what he has to say about the management at Calhoun.
This should be interesting. So here we go. [News clip] At the
two nuclear power facilities here in Nebraska, officials are
struggling to keep this historic Missouri River flood water
at bay. This plant behind me is where the need is most urgent.
This is the Fort Calhoun nuclear power facility just outside
Ft. Calhoun. Our photojournalist Mark Biello is going to zoom
in where you can see the floodwaters very, very close to the
main building there and really engulfing some of the outer buildings
around there. Now this is the facility where yesterday a worker
accidentally punctured a hole in a three quarter mile long aqua
berm that had been built to protect this facility. That berm
had been filled with water. A hole was punctured in it. It allowed
that water and some of the flood waters to creep closer to the
building and surround the transformer. That is a key development
because at that point this plant had to go offline and be powered
on generator power for a few hours. It is back on the power
grid now but officials here are keeping very close watch on
it because as the water stays near the power transformer it
does run the risk of a repeat of that Japanese Fukushima Daichi
plant situation where the flood waters knocked out the power,
they couldn't power the pumps that put water in there to cool
the reactor, to cool the spent fuel rod at that plant, and three
reactors melted down. Obviously they are trying to avoid a repeat
of that here, and they say this plant is in a much different
situation. They say it is much more safe right now, and they
have this under control. But they are watching those transformers
because again, they power the pumps and send in the cool water
to basically cool the reactor to cool the spent fuel rods. If
the transformers are flooded, if they get knocked out, that
is going to be a pretty dicey situation. But they say that right
now, this plant is safe, and they are operating off the regular
power grid right now. This plant was shut down in April for
refueling, so it is not actually functioning to power electricity
around this area, but they still need the power to cool those
rods to cool the reactor and that is what they are watching
very closely as the water creeps towards that transformer. At
another plant about eighty miles south of here, that is the
Cooper station plant, that is built on higher ground. That is
a lot drier. But again the water, the Missouri River water is
fairly close to that plant. They are keeping a close eye on
that now. Now at this plant here we are told we are going to
get access to this plant within the hour. We hope to get inside
to see the real damage where it is at the worst point, and what
officials here are saying about it. If we can get out in time,
we'll of course come out in time and show our viewers the pictures
of what we saw inside. Either way we'll show viewers those pictures.
Again, this is pretty much the most urgent area where officials
are trying to keep the floodwaters from compromising this nuclear
Rense: I don't believe they got in, but that
is kind of irrelevant. He said two interesting things. Until
yesterday, Sunday, that plant was still online and producing.
I have read this several places. Now it is claimed it was in
shut-down and yet other stories claim it was actually producing
electricity. And one report said it was producing electricity
at full bore. So there are some real contradictions there, and
I have seen both in print. You figure it out. The other thing
is Tom, if they are sending in water to cool the spent fuel,
and the fuel is still in the reactor and it is muddy water,
what is that going to do?
Dr. Burnett: Well, Jeff, I heard a couple of
things there. The first thing was a confirmation of what I said
earlier in the hour, or last hour, that the same cooling process
handles the reactor and the spent fuel pool. So they just confirmed
that. So all the people who are going to send me nasty emails
can just back off on that. I am not certain they are back on
external power. I don't really understand how that is possible.
However, it might be. And if they get pictures from inside the
plant, and inside the control room -- is a little bit higher,
but if they get pictures from inside the electrical bus room
Rense: They are not going to let them go anywhere
near that stuff. We know it, you know it, and it is not going
to happen. They won't put anything out that is going to compromise
their position to be the absolute arbiter about what is or is
not going on in there.
Dr. Burnett: OK, well let me give you two examples
then of what we know. In 1952 the Missouri River peaked twelve
feet higher than it is now. And, because -- I am going to switch
from Nebraska to Fukushima -- and because the Japanese government
said they are going to start canning --they said they were going
to check radiation, but of course that is not true. They haven't
said anything so far that is true. They are going to start canning
fish and vegetables and produce from Fukushima and northern
provinces and selling them. What they don't understand, or what
they didn't think of when they said that is that no one is going
to buy any Japanese exports from this going on because they
have no way to check them for radiation. So I believe they just
shot themselves in the foot by even saying that ridiculous thing.
And I believe, although I could be wrong, I believe that there
is a problem, and I will switch back from Fukushima to Ft. Calhoun
Rense: Yes, you have thirty seconds.
Dr. Burnett: OK, I believe there is a problem
at Ft. Calhoun, and I believe all the stuff about how it is
OK, everything is safe, we are fine, we are good, I don't believe
that is the case. And we will find out within the next, let's
say, 40 hours.
Rense: I'd say.
Dr. Burnett: So Jeff, thank you for the evening.
Rense: Thank you for the input, the information
and the analysis, and we shall see what we shall see, sooner
rather than later. Thanks Tom, talk soon.
Dr. Burnett: Bye.