2011-04-11 Jeff Rense
repeat interview with Yoichi Shimatsu (Rense.com
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[Introductory music. Jeff Rense begins at 15 seconds]
Jeff Rense: All right, let's get right back
to it. It is time to go to Hong Kong and talk with Yoichi Shimatsu
who has been with us each week to bring us up to date. There
is a lot happening, as you have been hearing for the last two
and a half hours. Hello Yoichi, how are you?
Yoichi Shimatsu: Well, I am doing all right.
It has been another tough week. More cover-ups. More bad news
down the line.
Rense: Yep, yep. Well they have finally done
the obvious and elevated the catastrophe to Level 7, which they
should have done long ago.
Shimatsu: Yes, a couple of weeks late. I do
not know if it is beyond a 7. I do not know if there is an 8
rating . They seem to jack it up by two points per time. So
they are approaching the big 10 mark there. Yep.
Rense: I agree. I completely -- it has surpassed
Chernobyl in my opinion without any question.
Shimatsu: Oh, sure. Sure. Absolutely. Total
radiation releases just months --
Rense: Yes. The drone that flew over the Fukushima
One facility the other day showed quite clearly according to
people over here that there is no spent fuel pool remaining
in building Three. It was blown to smithereens. It is gone,
Shimatsu: Yes, that is a vast amount. We are
talking about, something like I believe 1,500 fuel rods inside
each of the pools inside these buildings.
Rense: Well, it is hundreds of tons, correct.
Yes, yes. yes.
Shimatsu: Yes, yes. Not that, hundreds of kilograms.
Yes, hundreds of kilograms, yes, right.
Rense: It is not good. Now the enlarging of
the exclusionary evacuation zone is too little too late for
a lot of people, most likely.
Shimatsu: Right. The distance -- well, it is
not actually a clear circle. So we are talking about 12 miles
or something like 18 miles. Far from that, Takashi Morazumi
(spelling), who is leading the reporting teams, he is back up
there a third time for the recovery of bodies from Soma.
Each area where it irradiates. He is indicating that even 40
kilometers out they are getting maximum dosages.
Shimatsu: So this is far from adequate. The
people there basically are being -- we are left as sacrificial
victims, basically, for this whole cover up by TEPCO and the
economic ministry --
Rense: It is a worldwide catastrophe.
Shimatsu: Uh hunh [Yes].
Rense: This trash is going to get into the
food chain. It already is. It is already in American drinking
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: In American dairy products, you have
been seeing the stories. These are not insignificant amounts.
The government of course has trouble keeping its lies straight
over here. The FDA says 4,700 is the acceptable level
for Iodine, radioactive Iodine in food. The EPA says 3 pico
curies is acceptable. So they are not even close.
Shimatsu: No, no, no. Yes, they do raise
the dosage ratings whenever there is a leak. It is sort of a
rubber band sort of measure. So it is always about cumulative
effects. It means sure, single exposures, yes, you can take
a lot. But we are taking year after year. How many liters of
milk do you drink a year? Especially for children. And I think
this is a real problem is that we are well past the second pass
of the radiation around the atmosphere.
Shimatsu: So we are seeing the build-ups steadily,
week by week, it is going to build up. The other problem is
of course the seawater problem, which is absolutely crazy the
way the IAEA -- the International Atomic Energy Agency is just
washing its hands of this whole --
Rense: They are -- they are absolutely doing
that. Let's talk about the seawater for a minute. We know that
13,500 tons of radioactive water was and is being dumped into
the ocean. This has really infuriated the Chinese and the Koreans
which call the handling of the situation by Japan "incompetent"
and probably words a lot worse than that.
Rense: No one is happy about this.
Shimatsu: You have to understand that the highly
radioactive water, something like 70 million times normal level,
was detected off the coast of northern Iwati
[spelling? -- right location?]--.
Shimatsu: So what we are seeing is a northeasterly
drift, cyclical drift, up what we call the Black
Current, or kuroshio in Japanese.
Rense: OK, let's go into this in detail. This
is very important, please.
Shimatsu: This current sweeps up from the south,
and then it passes Kamchatka Peninsula, passes the Bering Strait
where it mixes a lot with Arctic water, and then it comes past
the coast of Alaska, down the west coast of Canada, and then
finally in the end somewhere off of Mexico. So the problem here
with this is that, one, it is one of the richest fishing areas
in the world. This is where all the waters mix. This is why
the Chinese and the Koreans are so upset. They have fishing
trawlers up there, and then this radiation is coming right into
their best fishing areas. The second problem is that the IAEA
says that, "Well, the radiation is not a threat because
it will mix with sea water in the Pacific." Well that is
not exactly the case because it is trapped basically in this
conveyor belt, something like the Gulf Stream on the East Coast
comes around, so it is not mixing with vast volumes of Pacific
water, in fact it is a steady stream of radiation that is coming
around in a clockwise circle in a narrow band, and what we are
seeing happening here is it is passing the greatest concentration
of aquatic sea mammals in world. We are talking about seals,
mammals, whales, so basically these are the animals at the top
of the food chain and the radiation is going to collect with
the fish right up the food chain into these sea mammals. So
this is really a very serious problem. It could lead to the
largest extinction of mammals since maybe the Stone Age.
Rense: Wow, wow. Think about that current called
the Black Current, appropriately. Arcing up, past Kamchatka,
into the Bering Sea, the Aleutians.
Shimatsu: Bering Straits, yes. Between Russia
Rense: The Gulf of Alaska, all the fishing.
Could wipe it out. Look folks, this is -- we could not even
put a price tag on the potential damages here. It would be incalculable.
Shimatsu: This is like a major ecological catastrophe
that is going to be with us for a century if this goes on. I
think this is -- and we are talking about leakage. It is going
to go on for years at the way this is going. And I think the
other danger is why did they release so much sea water now
that is so dangerous is because they are going to replace it
with even more higher level radioactive water.
Rense: That is right. I was just going to mention
that. The 13,500 tons that they are pumping or have pumped into
the ocean to make way for another big batch of highly
radioactive -- probably plutonium-laced water, they are not
Shimatsu: That is exactly what I am thinking.
Why would they release this highly radioactive water now. This
is obviously for Reactor Two, which has been showing a lot of
Rense: Yes, now the other thing is TEPCO has
admitted -- and whatever TEPCO admits you could probably double
or triple. They have admitted to 50,000 tons of this higher
grade radioactive water on the grounds, under the buildings,
in the concrete vaults where the pipes go, and everything else.
50,000 tons, this is what they have admitted to. And they are
going to put it in a tank that holds 13,000. I don't think so.
Shimatsu: This is massively concentrated water,
and you know, they don't have that much storage capacity in
these tanks. Some of it eventually has to be released.
Rense: No, they are going to have to bring
a super tanker over there.
Shimatsu: You can't put it in oil tankers,
there is nowhere to go.
Rense. Well they will probably end up proposing
a super tanker at some point, I bet. Because they have no ground
Shimatsu: But where is that going to go?
Rense: That is right, that is right.
Shimatsu: This is a shell game. In the end,
we have finite places to store this stuff and there is no way
to dispose of it.
Rense: They haven't got the storage potential
to do it now. When Fuel Pool Three was blown to smithereens
in that tremendous explosion, it looked like a small atomic
bomb, by the way, those of you who will remember, that went
up into the air. The particles probably ranged in every you
can imagine. Some you can hold in your hand. Something down
to a nanoparticle that went up into the atmosphere. These were
plutonium, folks. They are not identifying the isotopes at all,
Yoichi, over here. Nobody is saying what they are.
Shimatsu: There is strontium reported, so basically
this is what you get after a nuclear test blast.
Rense: Yes, and they have cesium now in the
milk in Vermont, but they are not talking about testing dairies
all over the country. They talk about one or two here and there.
And now Europe is talking about radiation risks from Fukushima
are no longer negligible in Europe, OK?
Shimatsu: Once it builds up in breast tissue
in the internal organs of dairy cattle, you basically just have
to do an entire herd kill over the entire area. Every dairy
cow has to be killed and buried, and you have got to start importing
milk from Australia or New Zealand or somewhere, where there
is a surplus place.
Rense: Yes, good luck with replacing the herd
with young calves because what are they going to eat? They are
going to have to feed them on feed that is raised in the southern
Shimatsu: Yes, that is right, it takes quite
a while for the radiation, you know, to be [Editor's Note: Mr.
Shimatsu said something about "source," but I think
he meant to say "no longer be a source of radiation"]
depending on the area, of course.
Rense: Yes, I would suggest they would have
to bring in feed from the southern hemisphere because they could
not grow it here if it is constantly being contaminated.
Shimatsu: Contaminated milk. Basically shut
down animal-rearing in the United States, and all the wild life
too. It is basically going to be finished. There has got to
be an end to it. TEPCO and the Ministry of the Economy, the
IAEA are still like ostriches in the sand. They still do not
want to entomb these reactors, and I don't know what they are
waiting for. They say keep them cool, keep them cool. What are
they waiting for? The time has come. It has come a long time
ago. The other issue is TEPCO's recent apology. The president
who ducked out of his responsibility --
Rense: Went to the hospital.
Shimatsu: -- To meet with the Prime Minister,
now he has issued an apology. But this was just hours after
two anti-nuclear protests occurred in Tokyo. This is the first
anti-nuclear test that protestors have had in a long time, and
then TEPCO rolled out an apology finally. So they are starting
to feel the heat.
Rense: Well, the largest transport aircraft
in the world, the Antonov 225, I believe, that the Russians
own and developed, flew into, I think it was L.A. to pick up
this pumper truck they are taking over there which has boons
which are almost 300 feet, or something like that, which they
can reach out with. But they are going to do the same thing.
They are going to be just pouring water, more water, into these
plants, creating more radioactive water --
Shimatsu: Actually that is very quiet preparation
for entombment. This is what they are going to use to pour whatever
they are going to shield the reactors with. One of the things
they are looking at is sodium silicate which is a water glass,
which is their -- that did stop the leakage in that one trench,
and I think that is something they are looking at. One of the
problems you raised is the problem of concrete beings very brittle,
cracking, and that this sodium silicate water glass might be
used somehow. I don't know how they will contain it, but they
are looking at that right now.
Rense: How are they going to contain something
that has melted down through the containment building, through
the concrete, and into the ground?
Shimatsu: That is a real problem. The underground
stuff is really worrisome --
Rense: Nobody is gong to dig down there to
get to that.
Shimatsu: That is true, and it is very difficult.
They cannot plug all the leaks.
Rense: We could have a major explosion at any
Shimatsu: That is right, that is right. Because
we are seeing like with a 7.0 earthquake, which was under reported,
I think the international media said it was a 6.3, so it was
clearly between a 7.0 and a 7.1. That knocked out the power
supplies for about an hour, shut down the pumps. You know, we
are still seeing after shocks that would in any other cases
be a major earthquake anywhere in the world hitting the place
and knocking out all power systems, and temporary knockout of
equipment. It started a fire also in a battery box. Also --
so we are not out of the woods by any means, with water boiling
Rense: I don't call this, I don't call them
after shocks. I call them earthquakes. I don't like that idea.
Shimatsu: They are major quakes of themselves,
yes, as the whole plate, all the tectonics are working themselves
out. Pressure is just moving from one point to another.
Rense: I heard it shifted down closer to Tokyo.
Yes, when you have got movement of one plates --
Shimatsu: It is moving closer as pressure release
from one point, it passes on to the next point along the fault
lines to another fault. And so it is a series of major quakes
that are going on.
Rense: There are four different plates that
intersect and juncture under the islands of Japan. It is quite
amazing. And there is 6800 islands total, and I think 97% of
the land mass is concentrated on three of the islands, and so
it is quite an active, quite a diverse geology there, it is
amazing. But back to Europe, just for a minute, this document
in Europe now released to the public advises against consuming
any rainwater, and says that vulnerable groups, such
as children and pregnant or breast-feeding women should avoid
consuming vegetables with large leaves, fresh milk, and creamy
cheese. Now that is saying "Don't eat it."
Shimatsu: Now that is your basic vitamin list
there, isn't it?
Rense: Yes, and they are saying don't eat it.
Shimatsu: Yes, and what's left? I mean the
question is what can you eat any more?
Rense: We are getting close to that. Now remember
folks, this is Europe. This is not the West Coast of
America. This isn't Japan.
Shimatsu: They are being a little more forthright
and honest in Europe about the risks. They have been through
Chernobyl over there. They know what they are talking about.
You know, I think the media also talks a lot about how the Japanese
are panicked. Well the Japanese are not panicked. They know
more about radiation than any other country in the world. I
mean, we have had radiation studies of victims of Hiroshima
Shimatsu: And those victims were given placebos.
Sugar tablets. That was their medication. So the Japanese people
know that they have been lied to before. We saw the Minamata
disease, the mercury-related disease. We have seen HIV-tainted
blood. The Japanese public does not trust these quack doctors
who keep coming out and telling everybody, in audiovisuals,
everyone is safe. It has been very much burned into their experience
that they have been lied to repeatedly before and people have
suffered and died for that. And many of those victims never
received compensation. They never lived long enough to get it.
There is not a panic, people are just being very, very realistic
based on what they know from history.
Rense: TEPCO offered people financial compensation.
You saw that story. They offered them in -- in $12 a person.
Shimatsu: I have got to go to Tokyo pretty
soon to deal with this, preventing people from signing a waver
Rense: They should not sign anything.
Shimatsu: Morizumi (spelling) asked me to come
over to talk to people and warn them. Get some compensation,
but do not sign the waiver.
Rense: Absolutely. $12.00 a person? This is
Shimatsu: Yes, yes, yes. This is ridiculous,
and the whole point is they want people to sign the document
which will somehow be some sort of waiver, to be used legally
as a waver. Corporate lawyers have trotted this out. And I must
say, they have some of the top lawyers in the world. Right now,
all across the world, GE, Hitachi, TEPCO, have got like hundreds
of lobbyists in disguise as this sort of expert, as risk experts
and so on, with different titles that they have hired. They
are going to every media in the world. They are taking editors
and publishes out to lunch and dinner, and God know what kind
of deal they are offering these kinds of people. And so this
is happening right now. That is why much of the American media
is quiet. A lot of the Asian media is starting to tone down
their coverage right now because of this vast lobbying effort,
which must be multi-million -- hundreds of millions of dollars.
Rense: Well, it is called bribery and all the
rest of it. All bets are off on this one, folks. Anything goes,
you are totally right. I am sorry to hear the Asian media is
beginning to quiet down. The story has literally disappeared
from Google and CNN here most of the time. It is just not there.
Shimatsu: That is right. Well, the basic thing
is that they are pushing from what we can detect from all these
media sources is that the message that is coming out is that
nuclear fuel, despite this crisis, is still the only clean green
Rense: Oh, please.
Shimatsu: And we have no choice but to rely
on nuclear energy. This is the message that they are coming
Rense: There is nothing green about
nuclear energy. Nothing. It is the antithesis of green.
Is is probably quite capable of -- as you mentioned --the first
major extinction event in a long, long time. And I do not know
how long it takes for this radiation exposure to come home.
People say two years, three years, but I predict we are going
to be seeing it amongst the Japanese people --
Shimatsu: It is continuing, I mean as you pointed
out earlier, Chernobyl has broken open again. The Chernobyl
crisis is not history. It is still with us. I think this is
the problem. It never goes away. Other power systems, they shut
down. But nuclear just keeps eating away. It keeps irradiating
us. It doesn't stop. And I think this is a problem that is going
to be dogging the next generation too. Not just ours.
Shimatsu: The other problem of this radiation
leak is that you know Japan is a signatory of the international
Law of the Sea. The Law of the Sea prohibits dumping of toxic
materials in large quantities into the ocean. So there is an
international case here. but we are not seeing any other country
in the world taking Japan to task on this. I think perhaps the
Chinese and Koreans will, because they are going to come to
a breaking point where they have got to do something to pressure
Rense: Well the Koreans have already lambasted
the Japanese and called them incompetent and I think that is
an appropriate term.
Shimatsu: Yes, I think this is in preparation
for a major suit in the Hague and in the World Court. In the
international criminal courts.
Rense: Well, these are in a sense ---
Shimatsu: These are Law of the Sea violations.
Rense: Agreed. Well, I call them war crimes,
Shimatsu: They are crimes against humanity.
Rense: That is right. That is right. That is
the same. OK, we just have three minutes left here. What would
you suggest to Americans who are very concerned and are getting
a lot of conflicting information about preparation, about radioactive
exposure, what should they do, Yoichi, what would you suggest?
Shimatsu: Well first of all they should be
looking at your web site, because I have to praise what you
and your team have done, and many of your readers -- what they
have done. They have put together I think is a very, very credible
citizens movement to -- I am astounded by the number of web
sites that are out there now that you are listing when there
were hardly less than a handful before. More people are speaking
out. Now you have sites that are monitoring the situation in
Japan. Watching the size of the United States. I mean everything
right now, the bases are being covered not by the government
and federal agencies, but by, you know, ordinary citizens who
are readers of your site and who are being posted on your site.
Rense: Well thank you.
Shimatsu: I have to congratulate you on that.
Without that, we'd really be in the dark.
Rense: Thank you very much.
Shimatsu: So that is the beginning. If you
don't know what you are talking about, you don't know what you
are doing, then I think you have got a means where people can
at least consult each other and waive a risk and figure out
strategies for action. So I think right now that is the best
thing, and I think you just have to keep up what you are doing.
Rense: Well, thank you.
Shimatsu: Another point I want to make is that
as I look at this matter more, nuclear energy is no longer a
science. The way we look at it, the way the IAEA is reacting,
it is clear that it is priesthood of a false cult, of a false
religion. A god that has failed. A nuclear god. And I think
that for the rest of us we have got to take a hard look at that.
We just cannot believe anymore. We have got to stop
believing, take their temple apart. I mean these people are
as cruel and cynical as the Aztec witch doctors that used to
cut people's hearts out. We have got to look at them. We cannot
allow these globalist people to be running the world any more.
Look at what they are doing. They are on a death wish. They
are in denial. They have no right to govern this planet any
Rense: I couldn't concur more fully. I am sure
a lot of people are praising what you just said. It is time.
We either take back control of this planet from these -- these
-- they are not human -- I do not know what they are -- but
we are going to lose it.
Shimatsu: Life on this planet will die out.
Rense: That is right.
Shnimatsu: I mean, do we need further proof
than what is going on in the north Pacific? Do we need any further
Rense: The Black Current is running right now,
Shimatsu: That is right. All the time. It is
running all the time, and it is coming around. So it is moving
right now between Japan and the Russian Far East and Kamchatka.
So that is where it is all heading right now. This is becoming
a major international crisis.
Rense: It will loop over, remember the Bering
Strait, the Gulf of Alaska, through all the prime fishing grounds.
You will see fish showing up with it. In fact, there is an article
in Mother Jones Magazine right now. Is there radiation
in your sea food? So people are beginning to ask.
Shimatsu: Yes. Forget shell fish. Forget oysters
and clams and things like that.
Rense: Oh, God.
Shimatsu: They are big collectors of radiation.
Rense: You mentioned earlier, and we just have
a minute left, that when the temperatures warm
there, the evaporation and the rising end of the upper atmosphere
will become a much more serious problem. How long before that
Shimatsu: Well, cherry blossom season is opening,
and sadly, those beautiful little flowers opening indicate warming
temperatures. And so I think we are in for it now. The radiation
is being leaked. And also evaporation from the ocean is going
to go into the jet stream.
Shimatsu: We are really in for it. Something
has got to be done. A sense of urgency has to be recaptured,
and people have to be mobilized. And anti-nuclear demonstrations
are going to have to be organized. It will be a challenge to
defeat that completely cynical -- they are taking the ostrich
perspective on life and death.
Rense: Indeed. Thank you Yoichi very much,
talk to you next week.
Shimatsu: All right. Very good.
Rense: Good night. All right, Yoichi Shimatsu
in Hong Kong, and right up to speed on everything. We are going
to put up a whole lot more material this evening, as we do around
the clock, as I do. So it you have anything really crucial that
you think I should know about, please get it to me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
OK, thanks so much for being here, and we will be back tomorrow