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Jeff Rense Interview with
Yoichi Shimatsu
on the

3-11 2011
Tohoku Quake-
Tsunami-Nuclear
Catastrophe


28 March 2011

 

Editor's Notes this is a "rush" fragmentary transcription provided
by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books
that is reasonably but not totally accurate for
my own false flag research purposes.

I have marked transcription problems in brackets

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Appendix: Background on Yoichi Shimatsu and sample articles

[Introductory music. Rense begins at 52 seconds]

Jeff Rense: OK, and we are back. Glad you are along tonight. Going over to Asia now and to talk to Yoichi Shimatsu. With us again to bring us up to date. He is an extraordinary man. I am sure you know his background by now. Welcome back, Yoichi, how are you?
Yoichi Shimatsu: Hello there, Jeff. Doing fine.
Rense: Good.
Shimatsu: As good as can be said.
Rense: Indeed. Well, the panic is spreading over here. It is not outrageous yet, but fortunately the levels are way low. Nothing substantial yet. The latest we have over here -- and I want you to bring me up to date -- reactors Two and Three are clearly breached. A breach means that there is a hole, a crack, or a fracture or some other kind of compromised integrity to it which is allowing water and radioactivity to leech out. But obviously Number Three is the problem. The MOX fuel reactor. Tell us what you know my friend, and how bad is it?
Shimatsu: Well, OK, the MOX fuel reactor is basically a fuel that is a mixture of uranium and plutonium oxides. And this is a much more powerful reactor. Many much more dangerous if there is leakage to the plutonium, which has a very long half-life. It is basically these are the tiniest of particles which if you breath into your lungs will generate cancer over time. So this is very serious. It is only a mere leaking out which is being detected. And the big scare is in the containment chamber. There are two chambers in the core reactor. There is a core reactor chamber, surrounded by a containment chamber where excess steam and water basically boils over and is captured. So that one is breached on this containment chamber and leaking plutonium into the atmosphere. Reactor Two uses the standard uranium reactor, and that apparently from reports we are getting out of Japan is that the core reactor shell itself is broken on the inside. This is a reactor which had a very large internal explosion. So this explosion was severe enough and powerful enough to crack the reactor core. So this basically is the free-flowing uranium coming out of there. This accounts for why the nuclear workers have to be evacuated more frequently and for longer periods of time now, which is delaying any kind of progress.
Rense: How do we know the reactor core in Three is not in fact breeched as well. No one has been able to get in and look at these things.
Shimatsu: Right, well probably because the plutonium levels are significant, but not, lets say, consistently high. Like we are seeing out of the uranium coming out of Reactor Two. So -- that -- we are lucky it is not deeper, but it is still a very serious problem because plutonium is deadly even in the tiniest amounts if you are exposed over a long period of time. You get it in your lungs or your esophageal system or your stomach or whatever, this will definitely cause cancer. And so the situation is very, very serious. And because the stuff is leaking into the atmosphere, and apparently reaching the jet stream -- very serious. I don't know if you have heard, but Iceland, the government of Iceland has detected radiation in the North Atlantic.
Rense: Yes.
Shimatsu: So basically whatever is streaming out of these reactors in Japan is crossing the entire breadth of the United States, so we are talking at least 30 or 36 states that this stuff is flowing over.
Rense: It has also been found in Europe as well, in China. It has circled the globe by now, even at lower levels, I don't know that it may not need to get up to 35,000 feet. The air moves. I mean, it just moves --
Shimatsu: Right, right, right.
Rense: It waits for no man. This issue of plutonium, TEPCO has admitted --and whatever they admitted God only knows what is really happening -- admitted to plutonium being found in five locations. In the soil, on the grounds of the facility. Now that is an admission. Now if the bottom of the reactor is trashed, let us say there has been a melt-down at the bottom, it is just concrete and a million different pipes, apparently, it is quite a maze. It will go down into the ground water at some point and it will explode. It will not be a nuclear explosion in the traditional sense, but it will explode. And it will pour all kinds of things into the air again.
Shimatsu: Yes, it is very volatile.
Rense: That is right, that is right. And they have taken two Japanese 30,000 pound main battle tanks there apparently, or they are moving them, and the idea is those battle tanks are going to be used as -- they have NBC air units on them and thick steel --
Shimatsu: That is right, that is right --
Rense: To clear away the debris.
Shimatsu: This is basically going to be the only future protection for nuclear workers monitoring the site, they have got to be in heavy, heavy tanks, huh?
Rense: They are going to try to use the tanks like big bulldozers to slowly -- slowly-- this could take many, many months. Many months. TEPCO even said years --
Shimatsu: Uh hunh [Yes].
Rense: To pull this crap away from the reactors, and then examine and see and study what they have to work with. And somebody else also wrote that pouring concrete on them is not smart. It just is not a smart fix. Now I do not know if that is accurate or not, but some people are suggesting that concrete is not the answer. They do not know what the answer would be.
Shimatsu: The answer would be for the cementing purpose, they are going to try to -- they have got to somehow get some of the separation rods moved up to reduce the fission process. And these undercarriages are badly damaged. And he said that there is a maze of pipes and machines and motors below have been flooded. They are now very radioactive. So it will be very difficult to move these boron rods up to stop the fission and cool the thing down so that they could be covered to some extent. The problem is that I don't know if they can insert boron pellets, boron-10 pellets, into the core reactor. If they could do that, that would definitely help. And the current problem that the Japanese are suggesting is that they want to pour sand into the reactors so that the sand will fuse into a glassy trap for the escaping particles, safely physically trapping particles of uranium, of plutonium, from its baking. The problem is that wet sand will not fuse, so they have got to come up with fragments, shards, of glass pellets, because the glass at least will allow the water to escape as steam before it begins fusing. So this is really a very complicated process. And you are right about concrete. Over time the internal heat will crack it, and it will become part of a much larger problem later. So you need an amorphous material. Something like silicon, at least layered. Sandwiched in-between concrete and neutron-absorbing materials. So this is a very, very complicated process that frankly the nuclear industry has not even thought about since Chernobyl. This is what is so shocking.
Rense: That is right.
Shimatsu: After Chernobyl, the nuclear industry still does not have a game plan for a melt-down.
Rense: Right.
Shimatsu: This clearly is mind-boggling.
Rense: It is.
Shimatsu: It is incredibly irresponsible.
Rense: Forget the break, network, we are going right through this -- . [8:16] The concrete issue to me makes no sense. Concrete is wet. If you pour a wet substance in there, not only will it not harden, it will explode.
Shimatsu: Right.
Rense: I mean you are talking about incredible amounts of heat, so pouring concrete in there will melt and explode, and the situation will only get worse. Is that right?
Shimatsu: Yes, basically it contracts under heat. Over time it will continue to crack. You have seen a lot of major buildings, parking lots and all --
Rense: Sure
Shimatsu: Cracks will appear after several years because the concrete never stops from cracking. It is a chemical process over time. I mean a final concrete shell would not be bad just as something like a paper weight to hold down everything else. But they have got to come up with some new materials. And the Chinese are in there right now in a big way. You know they have had nuclear problems of their own that we have never read about or known about, but they have a lot of hands-on experience of suppressing these nuclear accidents. They have a lot of neutron absorbers. They have a big truck they sent to Japan that the Japanese emergency workers are now on which pour the various materials on to the nuclear reactors. It is like -- this is something like an 11 story tall pipe system that will pump material on top of the reactor. So we are really looking at the Chinese for help on this issue, because there is no one else in the world who has any experience who knows what to do.
Rense: They actually do not know.
Shimatsu: The Chinese will not step up to the public and explain what they have got. I guess it is proprietary, that is why they keep it a secret. They are going to have to use it and apply it.
Rense: It is proprietary? Interesting.
Shimatsu: Well yes, I have talked to the people at uranium mines and they say it is a secret. We developed it. I said, "Why can't you commercialize it? The rest of the world will like it." [They say] "We never thought of that, you know, it sounds like a big hassle for us to do it."
Rense: Interesting.
Shimatsu: But this point they are going to have to do something.
Rense: Very interesting.
Shimatsu: The move is on. They are sending aid over to Japan now, and landing at Yokohama, and it is being shipped to Chiba. So there is sort of a -- kind of a -- logistical center in Chiba which will send -- begin -- the whole work of entombment. So entombment, I think, is going along quietly. And also, they are evacuating -- I think TEPCO and the government are finally realizing the extent of the radiation danger, the red zone there. And they are quietly beginning to remove the villagers from there. They are not making a big scene, because this would mean liability. Why didn't they do it earlier? So they are doing it on the sly. This is, you know, there was a brief moment when the governor was more forthright. You know it only lasted a few days, and right now we are seeing a full on cover up going on.
Rense: I read the releases from TEPCO and the holes in the sentences are big enough to drive a truck through, they are just --.
Shimatsu: That is right, that is right.
Rense: They don't tell you much of anything. [In the background a couple of sentences of Shimatsu's comments overlap Rense's discussion. It sounds to this transcriber like some kind of recording or mixing error in creating the interview sound track rather than Rense and Shimatsu trying to talk over each other].
Shimatsu: I think they are -- not just TEPCO, but General Electric, the other parts of the nuclear industry in Fukushima -- they are running for cover now. They are running for cover.
Rense: The idea of being able to get to containment or the actual core is very difficult. If you saw the overhead folks, the video of the sight and the three trashed buildings, to gain access is going to take a lot of work and a lot of removal of countless tons of debris. Now in that debris, of course, are what is left of the spent fuel pools, which in some cases clearly have been obliterated. I don't see any other way. These buildings are just shells of what they were. They're trashed. The overhead cranes are gone. How they can withdraw active fuel rods to reduce the fission, I don't even begin to understand. It would have to be done with a crane of some kind, but they have got to be able to have access to the containment and then the reactor which they do not seem to have at this point, do they?
Shimatsu: No. They are basically -- they are even having trouble keeping power up. To get really effective power, to get the separation rods up, they have to connect to the plant's own electrical system which is under water, you know the turbine house is basically all shorted out. So this is why TEPCO is saying they are talking about months, but basically this is again, when you see the battle tanks in there for control, we are talking about the possibility of a melt-down. We are really looking at that. No one wants to talk about it. And the logistics for entombment probably are still not all there yet. They still do not have all the materials ready to go. So we are really right now maybe facing the greatest danger, threat. And if a couple of months from now we don't have a melt-down, there would be time. We would buy time. But right now anything, I think, could happen.
Rense: At any time.
Shamatsu: My cameraman, who I have worked with for 20 years, he is up there now, at Fukushima --.
Rense: He went back?
Shimatsu: -- Yes, he went back up there , [name? -- Tagasha Morizumi? unintelligible to transcriber] Strangely his phone, his mobile phone was cut off. You would think that the area would have mobile phone service for the emergency workers. And you know I helped design the emergency plan for the area. Every mobile phone base station there has backup batteries, which charge very quickly. You don't have to provide power for a few hours a day to keep the mobile phone system, but when I call them up, I get an answer "This number does not exist," so this is really, you know, this is going beyond the cover up, Morizumi [spelling] has always come and said that what is happening at Fukushima is a crime against humanity. That is what has happened.
Rense: They are blocking his line, obviously, it sounds to me.
Shimatsu: Yes, yes. They are blocking the lines. Probably even emergency workers to prevent any information from coming out.
Rense: He was exposed -- Yoichi-- he was exposed. Is he OK? Did we stabilize him?
Shimatsu: This is his work. He has been to Chernobyl, the [unintelligible] nuclear test site in the Soviet [? unintelligible], ground zero in Nevada, the depleted uranium [unintelligible] fills in Iraq, he has been to all these places. This is the worst, and right now we are trying to figure out some herbal treatment for these -- we just got this in a lab program of chelation therapy and so on. You know, his life is beyond that risk His life is now threatened. He will be back in a couple of days, I hope. And he did send me an email out that he is still alive, so that is good.
Rense:Well please extend to him from the honest journalists, myself included, our best wishes and our appreciation for his true heroics.
Shimatsu: Yes, we will do that, and we will try to get some of his photos out to you when he gets back.
Rense: Yes, and I would love to have him on the program with you at some point in time as well if we can.
Shimatsu: Yes, well, he does not speak much English. That is a slight problem, so that is why I have to do the translations.
Rense: I understand, I understand.
Shimatsu: Anyway, it is a terrible thing, but you have got to take the risk. This is a time when the brave few step forward, the nuclear workers, the real journalist up there, the emergency workers, the paramedics, the people who are really taking it on the chin for the rest of us.
Rense: Well, they had some nice pictures of the lights on in the control room, but I looked at all the controls and wondered what the hell still worked. And probably not a lot.
Shimatsu: The controls are dead. The lights are on, but the controls are dead. This is the problem. So we have to look at the final -- the end game is to somehow entomb these reactors and as you said, concrete has been proven a false solution. It doesn't work, and I don't know if we -- I urge the governor in the area there to push for something amorphous like silicon or something that can withstand heat and still continue to melt itself back together. It can heal itself if there is a crack, glue itself back together. That is what is needed. Again, there is no research that has been done on this at all, even though I know back at Berkeley I was -- I talked to physicists there, they were working with self-annealing, amorphous silicon inside nuclear plants, only that is to strengthen durability. There has been research on this stuff, it just has never been applied.
Rense: I see, I see. There was, there is a video I have, made by a man who lives in Tokyo, and a lot of people have left. How severe is the situation in Tokyo right now as far as you know?
Shimatsu: Well, I think the theory is that again not only maybe we are seeing downward southern drift by now, especially from the seawater, there is a seawater bloom that is drifting off the East Coast and as that evaporates, that is what is drifting over Tokyo.
Rense: I see.
Shimatsu: But also there is a fear that a second or third nuclear plant is now in Ibaraki prefecture right outside Tokyo, because the [unintelligible] is in Chiba the prefecture next door. And so the drinking water problem is very serious. The government ruled out so-called health experts, doctors, from basically a government hospital. They reassured all the mothers that the levels of Iodine 131 are completely safe for infants. The mothers aren't buying it. They know that small amounts, small doses over long periods of time build up in the body and we are not concerned so much about immediate levels in the air now, but the cumulative effect of children drinking this water, you know, day after day, meal after meal. There has been a rush to get the water. That is why many people are leaving -- they have to go to where they think the water is safe. It will build up in your organs, and it is especially bad for mothers and children.
Rense: So the lies continue, there is no question.
Shimatsu: There is nothing but lies. I mean, again, when you have, you know, supposedly reputable doctors on television, very calm and telling people that it is safe to drink the water when everyone knows -- they know very well that it is not safe, because if you drink a lot of water over a period of lets say a month, and so with that volume of material taken in, you have a lot of radioactive iodine.
Rense: I have seen a few comments about other plants, other reactors that are clearly having trouble, but the press releases were phrased in such a way as to make it seem inconsequential and minor. You are getting readings near Chiba. What plant is up there, and what do you know about the potential of a problem there?
Shimatsu: This is Tokaimura. This is Tokaimura, also --
Rense: Again?
Shimatsu: A plant with plutonium and uranium. This plant has had trouble since the mid-90's, you know, and the other thing is there has been a lot of irresponsibility there. There is a core of nuclear scientists and engineers who are very much behind a nuclear weapons program for Japan. They have been running roughshod over the rules. They are playing around a lot with radioactive materials, storing it in places --in quite unsafe places -- to hide from inspectors, and so on, so we are really not sure what is going on. There has been a lot of subterfuge following the Tokyo subway gassing, my reporters uncovered. There were many sympathizers with the Aum Shinrikyo sect at Tokaimura, conducting all kinds of experiments for the nuclear bomb, so, you just don't know what is going on in addition to the TEPCO cover-up --
Rense: Excuse me, Yoichi, excuse me --
Shimatsu: We are also seeing a cover-up by a secret network among the scientists themselves.
Rense: Are you suggesting, Yoichi, that there may be a hidden nuclear program that is the ultimate secret here that is now somehow jeopardizing the situation and making it worse that no one is talking about.
Shimatsu: Yes, I think some of the storage areas for the spent rods and all that might have been preliminary for the separation of plutonium.
Rense: All right, OK.
Shimatsu: Both plants deal with plutonium. So, these would be materials for a bomb. And as we see, the conservatives in the Japanese government and the military are pushing for a nuclear option, for a nuclear deterrent capability. And the problem is they are doing it in secret. I mean it is one thing if you change the Constitution to openly have proper inspection and all, but doing it in secret, it is done very ad hoc. You know, there are high risks being taken. You know there has been a whole corps of nuclear scientists and engineers involved in this. There are many people, again, who were in the in the Aum Shinrikyo sect who were involved in the shipment of weapons of mass destruction from the collapsing Soviet Union. You know, items like nerve gas. Even ballistic missile technology. So there is this die-hard core of people who believe that Japan should be a world power like it once was. A major military power. And they are supported by major politicians, people like the governor of Tokyo, Ishihara Shintaro [Shintaro Ishihari in Wikipedia]. Who is very much an advocate. He is the man who wrote The Japan That Can Say No. Very much an advocate. I call him Mr. TEPCO.
Rense. Ahh.
Shimatsu: The former prime minister Shinzo Abe whose grandfather helped create the Aum Shinrikyo (spelling ?) as an arms trading organization. These people are ultra nationalists who are determined for a nuclear-armed Japan.
Rense: So --
Shimatsu: They are not playing by any sensible rules. So this is I think an an ultimate problem, under the secrecy of TEPCO also, they do not want any of this exposed because that would bring them before the Hague for war crimes.
Rense: It would make sense that there is a cover-up of a cover-up here. I wouldn't be surprised. Last question, we have two minutes left. At this point I want to time your best projection. How much should Americans be concerned about fallout at this point in time? Thus far the measurements here have been very safe, and nothing to worry about so far.
Shimatsu: Well, I think there is some concern because measurements aren't being taken in all the states that are being affected. And again we do not know if fallout does occur, even in small amounts, it would be not a general blanket of radioactive material. It is going to come down in certain spots where there may be a downdraft or temperature variations.
Rense: And we don't know what the isotopes are.
Shimatsu: Again, it is Iodine, Cesium, and we are also talking about particles of uranium and plutonium.
Rense: Potentially, yes --
Shimatsu: I think there has got to be a lot more vigilance on the part of every state and major municipality in the United States. The assumption is "oh, we'll check the California coast, the West Coast." Well that is not, you know, maybe the particles are riding very high over the Pacific, but they will come down over the land mass in places like the Rocky Mountains or the Appalachians where it is much cooler in the mountains, and there are downdrafts there. So I think there are not enough precautions, not enough reading being down across the states.
Rense: Well, we are relying on citizens with Geiger counters for the most part so far to get --
Shimatsu: It is very difficult to detect atmospheric radiation that way with hand-held Geiger counters, very, very difficult.
Rense: Thank you Yoichi again, talk to you next Monday. I appreciate everything you are doing. Thank you.
Shimatsu: Very good, thanks a lot.
Rense: Good night.
Shimatsu: Bye, bye.
Rense: Yoichi Shimatsu, again, exclusively here, once a week an update from Hong Kong. He is the man who knows what is going on. Think about it. A cover-up of a cover-up of the Japan nuclear weapons program. They are trying, maybe, to keep that a secret on top of many other things. I wouldn't be surprised. Back tomorrow night. [24:52]

 

APPENDIX

 

 

Yoichi Shimatsu

"Yoichi Shimatsu is a free lance journalist based in Hong Kong. He is former Editor of the Japan Times Weekly. Mr. Yoi is a former Tsinghua University lecturer. He's also Senior Advisor to The 4th Media, the English Website of the April Media Group. He's been regularly writing to several global media outlets including US, China and so on. He's been frequently sitting on CCTV News, Blue Ocean Network TV and other global media outlets in China, Hong Kong and other countries." (Quotation source: The 4th Media web page)

 

 

Yoichi Shimatsu sample articles


2011-03-27 Attack on Libya: Why Odyssey Dawn Is Doomed, globalresearch.ca
2011-03-18 The Next Nagasaki -- Nuclear Fears Stalk the World, exclusive to Rense.com, [Globalresearch.ca]
2011-03-17 Tohoku Quake & Tsunami Monitor "Full Metal Alchemy" by Yoichi Shimatsu
2011-03-15 Fukushima Reactor 2 Hit By Loud INTERNAL Explosion
Tohoku Quake And Tsunami Monitor 4 - 'Internal Combustion'
by Yoichi Shimatsu
2011-03-13 VIDEO: Cover-up Over Japan's Nuclear Emergency, Breaking news on GRTV,[Globalresearch.ca]
2011-03-13 Emergency Special Report: Japan's Earthquake, Hidden Nuclear Catastrophe Emergency Reports I, II, and III, Rense.com, [Globalresearch.ca]
2011-03-11 Japan's Tsunami: Human Failings, Not Nature's Power, Are the Real Calamity New America Media, News Analysis
2011-02-28 Mideast Revolutions and 9-11 intrigues crafted in Qatar, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2011-02-24 America's Next War Looms in Libya, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2011-02-17 U.S. Secretly Backed the Brotherhood's Soft-Power Strategy in Egypt, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2011-02-04 The New American Moment in Egypt: Taking aim at Mubarak's nuclear program, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2011-01-12 Comments on Liu Xiaobo's Attack on Nobel Peace Laureate [late South Korean President] Kim Dae-jung, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2010-11-30 The Shadow of 'America's Caesar' Haunts Korean Military Exercises, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2010-11-24 North Korea "Crisis": In a Multipolar World, Security Equals Nukes, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2010-11-17 Obama's anxious message puzzles contented Asians, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2010-10-18 Nobel Committee Aiming for War And Domination in The Name of Peace, New America Media. The fact that an open warmonger heads the Nobel Peace Committee has completely discredited what was once the world’s most prestigious Peace Prize," [Globalresearch.ca]
2010-05-27 Did an American Mine Sink South Korean Ship? New America Media, News Analysis, [Globalresearch.ca]
2008-12-09 What if Lashkar-e-Taiba Is a Scapegoat? Blame Game over Mumbai Massacre Could Doom Kashmir, New America Media, Commentary
2008-11-28 Did a Criminal Mastermind Stage the Mumbai Nightmare? "New American Media, "The Mumbai attacks carry the signature of Ibrahim Dawood, a Indian living in Pakistan and former crime boss turned self-styled avenger."
2008-04-06 The Real Reason For The Tibet Protests, AsianWeek
1999-10-20 Reports Showing U.S. Deliberately Bombed Chinese Embassy Deliberately Ignored By U.S. Media by Yoichi Shimatsu, JINN Magazine, Issue No. 5.21.

Other articles archives of the works of Yoichi Shimatsu

The 4th Media
GlobalResearch.ca
New American Media

Interesting discussions related to the work of Yoichi Shimatsu on the Internet:

Bright Skies: Top-Secret Weapons Testing? – Part 3

The Banjawarn sheep station soon became newsworthy due to its purchase and occupation in 1993 by the Japanese sect, the Aum Supreme Truth (Aum Shinrikyo), of Tokyo subway gas-attack fame. The sect’s stated purpose at that time was “to conduct experiments there [at Banjawarn] for the benefit of mankind”. It was reported in the media in 1995 that Aum sect members had experimented there with sarin nerve gas on sheep-as a prelude to the Tokyo gas attack on 20 March 1995.

The Aum sect’s deputy leader, Kiyohide Hayakawa, visited Perth in April 1993. Aided by Perth-based Japanese Mahikari sect agent, Japanese-born Yasuko Shimada, he hired a light plane and flew with a Perth real estate consultant (Japanese-Australian, Micky Webb) out to the northeastern Goldfields to view several “for sale” sheep stations.

Interestingly, in his pre-Aum days, Hayakawa had studied for his Masters degree at Osaka University in “Greening Technology”. His thesis is marked highly confidential and is under top-secret wraps. The University authorities originally stated that he studied “Anti-Desertification” in the Climate Engineering department. However, Japanese investigative journalist Yoichi Shimatsu (see web site www.pelago.com) has uncovered strong evidence that this department is a cover for secret Japanese electromagnetic (EM) weapons research. More recently, in response to Shimatsu’s published story concerning Hayakawa’s true area of study, Osaka University now insists that Hayakawa studied “Landscape Engineering”. The outcome of the deployment of certain types of EM weapons is, if you like, a higher order of “Landscape Engineering”!

Additional References Regarding Misc. Topics covered by Yoichi Shimatsu

Special Issue: Aum Shinrikyo: Once and Future Threat by Kyle B. Olson, cdc.gov.

 

 



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