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Jeff Rense: Welcome back. These times try men's
and women's souls. The big question is what is really going
on at the Fukushima nuclear power plant. We do know the Japanese
government and Tokyo Electric Power Company have been, shall
we say, less than forthcoming with the truth of this disaster
at a time when truth and honesty have never been more important.
We do know there have been three explosions in three of the
reactor buildings, and the reactor in Building Four was reportedly
on fire today and may still be burning as we speak. We do know
that the facility usually employs about 800 people, and that
a truly heroic group of about 50 have stayed on, trying to curtail
the calamity from getting any worse. It is well worth mentioning
that many of these people are probably going to die for
their efforts, two reportedly killed in the most recent explosion
yesterday, and I wouldn't be surprised if that number isn't
really much higher. Will there be multiple melt-downs, or are
they already underway? Will there be more explosions? Will Tokyo
be bathed in serious radioactive fall-out? Some is already there.
Will radiation come across the Pacific and hit the West Coast
and cross the United States? So many questions, so few answers.
With us tonight to help us unravel fact from fiction is a remarkable
journalist. He is Yoichi Shimatsu, a Hong Kong-based environmental
writer and former editor of the Japan Times Weekly
who reported on a series of radioactive leaks that the Tokaimura
nuclear plant in Ibaraki Prefecture outside Tokyo, the San
Francisco and Kobe earthquakes, the Tokyo subway gassing, and
in the rescue operation in Khao Lak, the worst hit part of Thailand
in 2004, Indian Ocean, catastrophic
tsunami. There he led the field research on design flaws
that led to the high death tolls for the architecture schools
at two locations. One of which Hong Kong University [and the
other at Thammasat University]. After the 1995 Kobe quake, he
was consultant to the Tohoku Keidanren, the largest regional
business group on disaster preparedness. So let us welcome Yoichi
Shimatsu to the program. His article, by the way, clicked to
the data under his name, and guests at Rense.com. He is an extraordinary
writer, obviously with very good sources, to put it mildly.
Yoichi Shimatsu: Hello there Jeff.
Rense: How are you?
Shimatsu: OK. It is just the opposite part
of the clock here, so it is morning over here in Asia.
Rense: Things are very chaotic as you know
in the media, trying to find out the truth as I just said is
Rense: I do not know where to start, this is
a very complicated issue, what do we know right now Yoichi,
and where do you want to approach this from which angle?
Yoichi: Well right now I think some praise
is due to our colleagues, our journalistic colleagues from Japan.
Both the print media and television have really taken on the
government hard. After the Kobe earthquake, the media did cooperate
with the government in downplaying things and it took the media
weeks if not months to get over that collaboration with official
sources. But this time they have really taken on the government
in the public interest, or in the interest of their readers
and viewers, and so it took about four days, but the government
is finally, sort of -- when government tries to put up a basically
censorship on the second day, citing a clause in the Constitution
where the press really rebelled against and did their own reporting,
a lot of local governments rebelled, and the press reported
on that, and finally I think on the fourth day the Prime Minister
blew up at a cabinet meeting, and said, "We have got to
get this TEPCO -- Tokyo Electric Power Company-- under control.
Who runs Japan? Does TEPCO run Japan or does the government
of Japan run Japan?" And so he after four days he set up
what is called the NHQ. The nuclear headquarters, which both
coordinates the operation that is happening in Fukushima and
also to handle questions from the press more forthrightly. We
have seen the chief cabinet secretary, Yukio
Edano, he has emerged in this crisis from being a cover-up
man to actually breaking a lot of stuff that he was not supposed
to in answering the press. At the same time you have to understand
his job is not to create a panic. But I think the government
finally came to realize that that panic is not caused by the
release of alarming information. The panic is causing the public
to feel that they are being lied to and the information is being
suppressed. That is what really gets the people to worry.
Rense: Boy, are you are right. You are so right.
When you lie to the public, that is when the anxiety and stress
builds to its maximum. And it does so very quickly. So they
learned a lesson, it sounds like, over there. Now for you to
say that the government is being forthright is very encouraging
at this stage because in the beginning it was painfully obvious
that they were anything but [forthright].
Shimatsu: That is right. Yes, but I think events
overtook them. One disaster after the other, you just couldn't
cover this thing over. There is no way to do that when you have
an explosion appearing on the security cameras.
Rense: Right. Well let us go back to the earthquake
and the actual tsunami. The plant itself is a GE design as most
people listening here know, and we have 23 of the same kind
of plants here. There was some kind of modification made, apparently,
with the crane and some of the buildings there by the engineers
over there, but they are basically the same GE plant, which
contain within the same building the reactor, the containment
vessel, and a storage facility for the rod, the spent rods.
So there are a lot of people now asking questions which probably
should have been asked and postulated decades ago, but anyway
we are there. So the plant had regular power, it had backup
power with generators, and it had battery reserves. They felt
that a three layer defensive field was good. It wasn't. It didn't
work. Did the tsunami actually roll over the entire plant, or
just fill it with water and then leave? Do we know? Did it actually
roll over the top of the building?
Shimatsu: The plant is designed very low in
the water. It was only like less than two meters or the height
of a person above the water line. The tsunami did roll over,
and the reactors are basically designed to shut down in the
event of a massive earthquake. There are switches. But the problem
is that the outside generators to run the pump, they were apparently
knocked out by the tsunami and the backup batteries also flooded.
So this is the official story, of course. What is coming out
of TEPCO is our only source. We cannot verify the second by
second scenario yet, so this is going to have to be looked at
and investigated further.
Rense: Some of the reports I am getting, the
few reports, came from a French team, which was over there,
and allegedly the readings on their Geiger counters were incredibly
high. Now I don't know if these rates are static, if they are
fluctuating, where they are now, but we do know the USS Ronald
Reagan, and perhaps other ships, a hundred miles offshore,
ran through significant amounts of radioactivity. What do you
know about that Yoichi?
Shimatsu: OK, yesterday when the plant [exploded?
unintelligible], some unspent nuclear rods caught on fire --
and also this was the Number Two Plant which had an internal
explosion inside its containment chamber. This was inside the
structure of the reactor itself. Not inside the core reactor,
but right around that. Immediately around that. And a lot of
steam was released, so at that point TEPCO and the government
had to change the radioactivity readings from microsieverts
to millisieverts. And at one point the radiation in the vicinity
shot up to 2,000 millisievers. Now it only takes 400 millisieverts
to cause cancer. To cause lung cancer, thyroid cancer, and so
on. So we are talking about a rate easily eight times higher
than what is acceptable. What is tolerable under government
standards. So what we are seeing is deadly, lethal radiation
Rense: Yoichi, a question. We are going to
skip the break. That has to be quite serious to anyone working
in that facility.
Shimatsu: Yes, even with radiation suits. You
know, this is very, very dangerous. They are very brave men
working in there. The government, you know these guys got a
little angry that they had to retreat from these disasters but
you have to understand these spikes in radiation, their suits
are just not designed to contain those high levels, and the
problem is the government has been scrambling to find robots.
A robot that can go in there and replace human workers, but
they have not yet succeeded despite all the genius of companies
like Matsushita and SONY there are no robots on site. This is
really tragic in a country that prides itself on robot development
in the United States.
Rense: Those men in many cases have already
given their lives. I don't want to be overly dramatic about
this, but there is no question -- or shortened their lives.
Two are dead. Are we getting actual readings from TEPCO that
give us confidence about what is going on in the immediate vicinity
of the plant and certainly the surrounding environs? Where are
we getting the readings?
Shimatsu: The readings are taken just in the
environs, like just a few hundred yards away from the plant.
There is one monitoring station. It is pretty accurate readings,
and they have been reporting to the nuclear and industrial safety
agency. So those are fairly reliable readings. Well, anyway,
let us continue on the implications of this in spikes of radiation.
Shimatsu: Go ahead.
Rense: What I want to know is how much was
released, and when was it released. It went out a hundred miles,
covered flying helicopters, and air crews --
Rense: -- And also most likely the entire USS
Ronald Reagan and I would suggest, we talked yesterday
or the day before, the intake air ventilation system on that
ship no question pulled in the air and may have literally filled
the entire ship --with its air conditioning system -- however
it is working -- with heat or it does not matter -- [or] cool
-- with potentially radioactive air. Correct?
Shimatsu: Yes, that is right. I have actually
flown in airplanes. I have done some readings after the Sichuan
earthquake in China. I located some hotspots. And the plane
I was on took radiation to one [phase? unintelligible] level.
When you are in a metal vehicle like this, ventilation systems
suck in air, it is very, very hard to clear that air. As you
know -- cold and flu viruses --
Rense: Oh, yeah.
Shimatsu: So when we talk about radiation,
it lingers for a long time, so I think that Captain of the Reagan
made a wise decision to retreat, otherwise it could take weeks
or possibly months to clear out every corner below deck. There
are not a lot of windows on an aircraft carrier.
Shimatsu: It could be harmful to crews and
to helicopters. And the reason the contamination is that high
is right now in East Asia we have what is called the "Siberian
High." A high pressure zone which pushes air due eastward
into the Pacific. Just a steady stream, which is why most of
Japan is not contaminated now. And the Ronald Reagan just
got in the way of this. The radiation doesn't rise. And when
it gets a little warmer later in the year, in a couple of months,
the warm air will tend to rise in an updraft, and that is when
it hits the jet stream and heads off to North America.
Rense: So you have a high pressure now which
is hovering over the islands essentially pushing the air away
from the island toward the West Coast of the U.S.
Shimatsu: Right now the West Coast is not threatened
now because the air is very cold --
Rense: I understand, I understand.
Shimatsu: But later on, once it starts to warm
up, after the early summer begins, it could be very threatening.
Rense: OK, we are going to get back to that
in more detail, as we continue, but right now the air is circulating
enough apparently to have brought some low level radiation,
radioactivity measurable to Tokyo. How much is down there?
Shimatsu: Also another point is that the Reagan
has backed off a second time. This overnight it backed off again.
Rense: Oh really. I didn't hear that. Where
is it now?
Shimatsu: I am not clear, but apparently an
order was given. It had to move out of the wind direction of
Fukushima and also it pulled back further out to sea. The radiation
levels were increasing.
Rense: Well, I would suggest that we will probably
never hear the full story of that Reagan incident,
but I'll bet that boat 50-50 was filled with polluted air, and
to try to flush that entire ship is one hell of an undertaking.
The captain no doubt had his hands full as did the crew. How
much is showing up in Tokyo, Yoichi, if much at all?
Shimatsu: Again, because of the current wind
direction, very little. There is just trace amounts, and you
know one of the concerns is this rolling blackout in Tokyo.
It is not really clear -- there is so much attention focused
on Fukushima One -- there are problems also at Fukushima
Two, which is further south, and there are other nuclear
plants on the coastal plain which have not had problems before.
I picked up some rumors that were other problems and that could
be the cause of the rolling blackout. So we really don't know.
We really don't know the full extent because of the drama that
is going on up there and the press, the government and the press,
they are running exhausted right now. So only TEPCO will know,
and TEPCO is not talking. So you know they shut down most of
the -- the national train system is shut down to conserve electricity,
and ship it around to different parts of the country. Manufacturing
remains closed. So apparently other nuclear power plants are
Rense: Absolutely, no other conclusion to come
to. I mean, you would think that one nuclear power plant out
of 55 wouldn't shut the whole system down, to the extent that
you are going to get rolling blackouts. So yes, agreed. Fukushima
One, the power plant that has had so much trouble. It is how
close to Fukushima Two?
Shimatsu: They are about, let's say, 40 miles
apart. Fukushima Two is a little bit further to the south.
Rense: Is that also --
Shimatsu: They have been overheating in three
or four of those reactors.
Rense: OK, is that one also --
Shimatsu: The damage had not been great. There
has been overheating.
Rense: Is that also located on the shoreline,
or close to it?
Shimatsu: Yes, yes, most of these Japanese
power plants have to be on the ocean, yes.
Rense: So rumors of overheating can mean all
kinds of things. Nothing severe, yet --
Shimatsu: That we know of.
Rense: OK, now with 55 plants around the country,
it would seem that sooner or a later the press is going to start
questioning people who are employed at those other plants to
find out what is going on, because they do employ hundreds and
hundreds of workers at each one, correct?
Shimatsu: Yes, yes. That is right, that is
right. Our main attention is the one that has problems before.
And that is the closest one to Tokyo, and then back in the 90's
when we were reporting on the activists there, there were radiation
drifts over Tokyo itself over the eastern suburbs of Tokyo that
were not reported by the press. There was a blanket of censorship.
My reporters had talked to the monitoring stations and we had
reporters talking to plant workers, and there have been as many
accidents as before. There is some concern whether that plant
Rense: It seems like it ought to be shut down.
For my money, you can shut them all down, but that one, yes
Shimatsu: But Japan could actually do that.
Japan has got like new wind from their offshore wind power.
The seas around Japan are some of the windiest places on earth
and the Japanese government and industries have virtually shut
down the wind industries. China is far in advance of Japan now.
Japan was once a leader. There has been no policy provision
under the pressure of the nuclear industry and the fossil fuel
industry -- they killed the wind power industry in Japan, despite
the fact that they have abundant wind power, and lots of places
to put it. A lot of flat land and islands where we could put
giant turbines. The Chinese now have a magnetic levitation turbine
which do not have bearings. You need a small scale using a rare
earth magnet and they are highly efficient. They just don't
lose anything from friction. So the technology is there, it
is just that the investment is not there.
Rense: I understand. By the way, as a footnote,
China is now announcing loud and clear it considers itself a
new Middle East in terms of coal energy, so the Chinese apparently
have a huge coal potential.
Shimatsu: Well yes, unfortunately the so-called
clean-coal industry, the money that the world bank, the Germans,
and the governments put into the carbon credit went to line
the pockets of the coal industry, which proceeds to build more
coal plants than ever, so basically out West I do a lot of environmental
work in western China. You can't get the solar power or the
wind power, some of the world's largest wind farms on to the
grids because the money was misused to build so-called clean
coal, so actually the net carbon increases are increasing. So
a lot of energy policy makes no sense. Even the green energy
policy does more damage than good.
Rense: The Chinese are building a number of
coal plants every month at one point, there was so much money
being poured into that sector.
Shimatsu: That is it. Both nuclear and the
fossil fuel industry, they have a lot of clout with politics.
In the West, right now the focus on censorship should move from
Japan to the foreign and Western media. I don't know if everything
you noticed in the last day all kinds of people who were essentially
spokespeople for the nuclear industry are being rolled out.
There was an expert from the [University
of Western] Ontario University in London, [Canada] saying
things like "Well, this reactor is not going to melt."
Well it has already started melting down. These are
bald-faced lies. The Wall Street Journal had a guy
who was an open advocate of nuclear power, so these people are
coming on. And I think the Western Press is actually feeding
at the trough right now. We are seeing a lot of reassuring stories,
when the facts are otherwise.
Rense: I totally agree with you. I find them
frankly repulsive, and transparent. I posted one or two that
are remotely reasonable. But as you say, there are bald-faced
liars being trotted out for their 30 and 60 seconds of talking
head fame and immortality -- or immorality. So yes, we are looking
at that and trying to keep people aware of that. There is so
much confusion over here. Apparently the Japanese press is standing
up and showing some courage and integrity that the American
lackey press -- flunky press -- is not about to do at this point
in time. They don't want to lose their jobs.
Shimatsu: Yes, exactly. When we are talking
about companies like GE, maybe bearing the liability for this.
They are one of the largest new plant builders. Toshiba-Westinghouse,
this is a Japanese-American hybrid.
Rense: Yep. Exactly, exactly.
Shimatsu: And these people have no shortage
of money or influence in the government, in the Department of
Energy, and so on. So attacking these people is a David and
Goliath battle. They are the Goliath of the power industry.
Rense: All right, very good. Stand by, Yoichi,
we have to take a short commercial break, we will come right
back. I am talking to Yoishi Shimatsu in Hong Kong in just a
couple of minutes. [21:42]
Rense: OK, back with all you folks. I am glad
you are along tonight. We are talking to Yoishi Shimatsu in
Hong Kong about the Fukushima disaster. Let's go back to Building
One, Yoishi. They originally said just a hydrogen explosion,
no big deal, the clouds from that blast stayed relatively close
to the ground, blew the roof off, obviously the pictures are
self-explanatory as to what is left. When you look down from
the satellite view, however, the bottom of that facility almost
appears to be clean. There is not much down there.
There is some debris, but where did the pool go? Where did the
reactor go? What the heck do they think is going on in there?
Shimatsu: Well the problem with the process
is that as the fission, as these partial melt-downs keep occurring,
whenever the water level drops, that the fission splits the
water into hydrogen and into free radicals of oxygen, which
is a very explosive mix. So not only is this stuff filtered
outside, it recombines and explodes. But also, the latest blast
was inside the containment chamber reactor. The stuff that explodes
Shimatsu: This is very, very alarming, because
it is really putting enormous pressures on the core reactor
shield, which is already very vulnerable from the extremes of
temperature. It is expanding, it is contracting. When it heats
up, when there is water loss, it expands, when you pump water
in it, it contracts. And as you know, this is how basically
Rense: You get micro-cracks and, sure, fissures
over time, you bet. America's power plants are almost, some
of them are 50 years old. And they have been shrinking and expanding.
Shrinking and expanding. And they have cracks all over them.
We are really awfully lucky over here to have dodged the bullet.
We had Three Mile Island, that was bad enough. And they lied
to us about that. But we are literally facing a situation where
we should be shutting some of these older plants down now.
Not after something happens.
Shimatsu: How come this hasn't happened earlier.
It should have happened earlier.
Rense: I agree.
Shimatsu: We have been living, you know, we
have been living --
Rense: On borrowed time. They call it borrowed
Shimatsu: Yes, these are bombs in our midst,
Rense: I want to go [back] -- 55 reactors in
Japan, approximately, give or take --
Rense: I want to go back. I want to try and
cover this building by building if I can, Yoichi, to make sure
we are up to speed on everything. Going back to building one,
which appears to be slightly smaller than the three adjacent
to it --
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: When you look down from the satellite
enlargement, the enhanced picture, what is going on in there?
Is wreckage on top of the reactor? There is no water being put
in there at all. Have they just walked away from it? What --
you have got a partial melt-down-- what is gong on? --
Shimatsu: Well they are pumping water into
it. -- I think the photo was taken after the evacuation, when
people had to escape [from the place -unintelligible], but yes,
that was the first hydrogen explosion. [In the form -unintelligible]
of a 16 megawatt reactor, the smallest on site. They are pumping
water back into it. Because of its smaller size, it is a little
more easy to get under -- the Number Two reactors is nearly
double in size to 700 plus megawatts, and that is the one that
has been really out of control, basically.
Rense: Well the Number One building reactor,
the smaller one, was not a MOX fuel reactor, either.
Shimatsu: No, no, no.
Rense: The MOX fuel was used in Number Two,
apparently the large reactor, so Number One building blew. Your
information is that they are still pumping water into that building.
Good luck --
Shimatsu: They are still pumping water, yes.
Rense: I can't see how they are doing it. But
more power to them.
Shimatsu: Well they use basically, for that
one they just put in a fire truck, a civilian fire truck.
Rense: A pumper, yes? And ran hoses.
Rense: Well, any [old port? -unintelligible].
Shimatsu: They are being supported by generators,
and one of the generators ran out of fuel. This shows the workers
there are very overstressed and exhausted.
Rense: I can imagine.
Shimatsu: They need to keep an eye on the fuel.
And so the local generator at the site ran out of fuel and that
is what caused the second huge explosion.
Rense: Is that what caused it? That is unbelievable.
What a tragedy.
Shimatsu: The workers are just running around.
There are more than 15 injured already in the hospital. There
is a manpower problem there.
Rense: So, they forgot to fuel up the generator
and it stopped the pumps and that is what caused the explosions.
Shimatsu: I don't think this is negligence,
this is just . . .
Rense: No, no. But it happens, of course.
Shimatsu: They are way beyond the limits.
Rense: Of course. These are heroes, listen,
I would be the first to salute them. Understand that. Stuff
happens. OK, --
Shimatsu: It just goes to show that there is
nothing automated right now. Human error is there as a major
factor, there is just human workers. There are no robots on
site, no automatic controls.
Rense: Anything can happen.
Shimatsu: Personnel are irradiated. You are
basically calling on just ordinary workers to stay there until
they eventually drop.
Rense: Drop dead. Would these guys in any case
have radiation suits on, not that that would really help them
from the more aggressive forms of radioactivity --
Shimatsu: You know, these prolonged exposures
Rense: I know, it is just --
Shimatsu: -- wash down facilities, don't have
any clean water, non-radioactive water in the vicinity. These
are all questions -- these are questions they have not begun
to ask yet in the crisis, things are so stretched.
Rense: OK, is One a partial melt-down, Building
Shimatsu: Yes. Number Two there was a melt-down,
partial melt-down. Probably a larger partial melt-down.
Rense: The melt downs --
Shimatsu: The rods were completely exposed
for a while. But luckily they were able to pump water in before
the metal casings could melt. So there was a partial melt-down
Rense: I remember that very clue, you wrote
about it. The rods were totally exposed.
Rense: Now partial melt-down, does that mean
it can be stopped once it starts?
Shimatsu: Yes, it can be stopped by filling
it back up with water. The problem is that as I pointed out
Rense: The water boils off.
Shimatsu: It tends to boil the water off and
actually splits the water particles so the boiling off process
results in the creation of steam and the dangerous vapor, explosive
vapor, continues on and on and on. It builds up in the reactor
and inside the surrounding area.
Rense: So these processes could go on for weeks.
Shimatsu: Right now in Japan they are talking
months, not weeks. No one talks weeks any more. They are talking
months, many months.
Rense: All right, building Three, Ka-Boom!
That was a different kind of blast. That blast went hundreds
and hundreds of feet into the sky. It looked like a small atomic
bomb. What was that all about?
Shimatsu: Again, that is the same hydrogen.
They are pumping sea water in there, so you have both hydrogen
and oxygen, radicalized oxygen, generated. That explodes. But
also because of the sea water pumped in, you had sodium and
chlorine in the mix which accounts for the yellowish color.
And this is also very alarming that they are using sea water
because inside the reactor, sodium is like drain cleaner. And
chlorine is highly corrosive.
Rense: Highly corrosive to metals, sure.
Shimatsu: So you are going to see the scaling
of steel inside.
Rense: Sure, it is going to attack the stainless
steel. Absolutely. Skip this break too, network. (Rising music
in background). We are going to go right through. [29:42]. All
right, so you are pouring sea water in there. Is that not in
itself an admission that the reactor is utterly toast, it is
history? It is done.
Shimatsu: Yes, I think that one of the inevitable
conclusions of this whole episode is that at Chernobyl at the
end, they had to entomb the reactor.
Shimatsu: Basically cover it with a mixture
of concrete and neutron blockers. There are certain kinds of
minerals like titanium dioxide that can actually capture neutrons.
You have to make this mix. But you know it is not easy to do
this. You need a high pressure concrete jet to shoot over this
thing, and you have to do it in layers, so that, you know, it
takes a lot of time and effort. I think it was a month at Chernobyl
to encase the place. That is inevitably what they are going
to have to do.
Rense: Well at Chernobyl, as some of you may
recall, there was some absolutely heroic -- just superhuman
-- these guys were all dead in a couple of months -- helicopter
pilots that were flying over with these big buckets full of
this mixture that you are talking about, and dropping it in
layer after layer on the reactor core. They knew they were going
to die, and they did it. Sometimes humanity rises to such heights
of magnificence. And you wonder where it comes from. And we
have the same thing I suspect going on at Fukushima right now
with the workers that are there. OK, I want to move on here.
We have got One and Three, number Two also popped. We don't
know. We have got three partial melt-downs, would that be safe
Shimatsu: That is right, that is right. That
is what causes the blast, yes.
Shimatsu: It is partial melt-downs that cause
the chemical reaction that leads to the blast. And no one is
denying it now. They are talking about -- they are worried about
a total -- they think that Number Two could be the first to
go to total melt-down. This is right from the top, from the
Prime Minister's office who is worried about that.
Rense: He said that yesterday afternoon.
Shimatsu: Yesterday. He said there is a strong
possibility of a core reactor melt-down at Number Two.
Rense: I would say a probability.
Shimatsu: We have to shift our thinking, and
that is why these apologists for the nuclear industry are just
getting in the way.
Rense: They are repulsive.
Shimatsu: Out of the way for people who know
what they are doing.
Rense: Right. I find it to be a side show of
the most tawdry and disgusting nature, frankly. We have got
to face these things head on and stop with the crap.
Shimatsu: Otherwise we will still have a pre-release.
And the other thing about a melt-down, a core melt-down when
that happens, that generates so much heat that it sends a plume
or column straight up into the jet-stream. It will rise to 8,000
meters. And it causes bubbles of radioactive gas and particles
will float on the jet stream and then three days it will be
over the West Coast -- not just the West Coast -- over half
of the United States.
Rense: Well, it is 600 mile an hour jet stream.
Shimatsu: Yes, and where it lands no one knows.
It depends on the temperatures, rain fall, so it is completely
unpredictable. So I have been arguing that there should be a
security consult team of U.S., Russia, Japan, whatever the other
powers are in the region. China, they get their air forces together,
they try to prepare for the inevitable. Cloud-seeding in the
Western Pacific before any plume can rise up to the
jet stream, it has got to be stopped by rainfall, and you are
going to have to have combined air forces to be seeding the
clouds 24 hours a day for months. Presumably if you want your
kids in America not losing their hair and all the other terrible
things and all the other terrible things, all that stuff we
saw after Chernobyl. So, this is no joke, and civil disaster
prevention emergencies, how many people, families --.
Rense: I hate to say it, my friend, but there
has been no serious effort in this country in terms of civil
defense, civil awareness whatever of any significance, and as
you said, and as I have said in other programs, they are rolling
out the morons, and I am sure they are brilliant, and I am sure
they have a lot of letters after their names, but they are hacks.
And that is what they are doing. And it is doing the public
the greatest disservice, and all of this is being greased and
aided and abetted by an utterly baseless, groundless, immoral
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: And it is really sad.
Shimatsu: Like I said, your attention is no
longer on the Japanese media, it is on the so-called free press
of the West. Which has completely failed.
Rense: So the people over there are looking
over here and noticing that, hun? Interesting.
Shimatsu: Oh yes, yes, yes. The Japanese press
is very detailed, forthright, and present scientific facts,
best as possible. My colleagues in the Japan Times have
explained to people the differences between millisieverts, microsieverts,
all the health things, and --
Shimatsu: -- They are doing a great job there.
They are working overtime. They are struggling with the government
getting the stuff out, starting with TEPCO. We see nothing of
the sort from foreign correspondents there. They are doing sad,
sob history stories of flood victims over there.
Shimatsu: They are not focusing on the immediate
present and the clear and present danger. What we face right
Rense: What you are saying Yoichi is in the
press there is the information that the Western Press --
Shimatsu: Is not picking up.
Rense: Not a surprise. Glad to hear that our
fraternal brothers and sisters in the Japanese media are standing
tall. At least there is some real journalism left.
Shimatsu: I take some pride in training some
of those journalists, .junior reporters at Kobe and Tokaimura.
At lot of those people are people I aroused them back in when
they were cub reporters. Now they are senior editors.
Rense: I understand. Good for you. That is
what this business used to be over here. Unfortunately journalism
over here is nothing much more than the mouth piece for whichever
corporation hires it, and these people are hooked into such
celebrity it is really disgusting. I do not think the Japanese
media, I have not seen any of that in the stories I have seen.
But over here if you are a journalist or a TV news reporter
you are a mini movie star. It is sad.
Shimatsu: Well, if people want the news about
this thing, I don't read the Wall Street Journal or
the New York Times, I mean go straight to The
Japan Times, the Daily
Yomiuri. They have English version, Mainichi
[Daily News], they have English papers. Go directly to the
Japanese press, you will get some accurate reporting there.
It is sad that that is the case, it is very sad that that is
the case --
Rense: Well, it is important to mention, your
writing is as good as I have seen there, easily there. I have
seen none better, so keep it up and don't stop. Now lets get
back to Fukushima. What is going on there right now, we have
got three partial melt downs. Your last story talked about the
internal explosion inside the containment vessel.
Rense: Not inside the reactor, necessarily,
but I don't know how much room is between the two. But that
can't auger well for the future of Number Two.
Shimatsu: That is why the official government
verdict, this is not an opinion, this is the official government
verdict that there is a strong likelihood of a core meltdown.
And they are preparing for it now. The ability to prepare is
another problem. They are stretched to the maximum, so they
are in an area with no services, no anything, no power, so this
is the problem of how they could plan to respond to the end
Shimatsu: The end game is coming up.
Rense. All right.
Shimatsu: The end game is coming up, so they
are doing their best.
Rense: We have got the term "months"
being used now. Now in months, as you say, the weather is going
to change, this heat is going to rise much more easily to greater
heights and obviously make it up to the jet stream. Right now
because of the high pressure it is being quashed and kept down
relatively low to the deck.
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: So it is not moving very far away from
Japan so far. If there is a core melt-down this could occur
over what period of time? The next week, two, [in a matter of]
days, do we have a guess?
Shimatsu: No one is predicting. We cannot predict
how long the steel is going to hold, how many of these blasts
is going to recur. This is anyone's guess, but, you know, I
mean, you cannot reach for a time frame. And if it does blow
open, it will probably leak for probably several months before
it can be contained.
Rense: Well unless they can get in there with
helicopters and start pouring concrete on it, like they did
Shimatsu: Yes, well that is true, but this
is a region with very few [--- unintelligible?]. So they have
to get the rest of the infrastructure in the Sendai area up
to support. You have to have like hundreds of concrete trucks
Rense: I understand. I have got it. They had
better get their butts in gear, and start moving on that, because
clearly there has got to be entombment of these reactors at
Shimatsu: You call Sendai airport, it is in
the middle of a mud flat now. It has been knocked out. If there
is no airport, how are we going to get helicopters in and out?
Rense: Well, they are going to have to drive
-- I hope this is being clearly planned and put into some kind
of implementation now, not in six months. If that core melts
Shimatsu: I can tell you the sad thing is the
Japanese go by the book. The book was written by GE. GE has
no contingencies. There is no -- there is not a paragraph in
a book which tells you when everything fails in this book, you
have to improvise. I mean, we could be improvising filters with
40 foot containers to make basic shower units to filter some
of this air before it leaks out, but no one is trained to think
like that, you know. They just follow instructions, and there
are no instructions to this kind of disaster.
Rense: I had on the program last
night Kei Suboata, a nuclear power plant inspector for 20
years. And I asked him last night, I said, "If you were
in charge, what would you do?" And you know what he said?
He said, "I don't know."
Shimatsu: Yes. That's it. That is an honest
admission. That is truthful.
Rense: So what we are seeing here when we get
a paucity of information on the potentials, and what is coming
in the future, and what may or may not be done. That is not
necessarily always lying. These people honestly don't know.
Shimatsu: That's right, that's right. TEPCO,
Rense: Well, TEPCO has more knowledge than
anyone, but the general feeling -- and they don't have the answers
either. OK, because we are in uncharted water and we just don't
Shimatsu: Absolutely, absolutely. These monsters
are boiling away and out of control.
Rense: And those men in there are dying.
Rense: And I hope they are honored at some
point for what they are trying to do, and I hope their story
gets told. Not in a motion picture, but in the real world.
Shimatsu: What is sad is these are the only
guys who know what is going on. These are the guys with experience.
They are going to have to bring in other nuclear workers from
other plants who are starting out fresh and cold. So there is
not much seniority over there. The senior guys are getting wiped
Rense: Unreal. When Number One blew up, that
hydrogen blast, could anybody inside that building have survived,
logically? That was a terrific blast.
Shimatsu: Well, there was no one inside the
structure per se. I mean the guys with the pump were in the
doorways, corridors and so on of the structure, they were pretty
seriously injured. In Number Eleven apparently there were people
in the building, that is how we -- I mean in Number Two, in
Three, there were people inside --
Rense: In Three.
Shimatsu: Those are the ones probably who died,
Rense: And again, we are not getting much on
Rense: All right, so we have three partial
melt-downs, in Number Two with at least two blasts, internal.
Rense: What could be causing those blasts?
Some kind of corrosive activity in there which is creating hydrogen
or could there be some other explanation.
Shimatsu: Well basically there is a fission
process. When you fill a tank with water, and there is partial
melt-down, what you have is a very high temperature in fission.
You have these ring of active ions, which basically are emitting
a lot of particles which can disrupt the bond between hydrogen,
the oxygen, in water. When that happens, free-floating hydrogen
and what we call super-charged oxygen are broken off. And this
is happening in very, very large quantities, which accounts
for the huge pressure build up. Instead of liquid in there,
we have these huge concentrations of explosive gases, and that
is why you have to release the pressure. It has to go out. And
assuming it goes out into the atmosphere, it can recombine [the
hydrogen and oxygen to reform water] and then explodes in containment
chambers. This is a simple chemical process. Basically hydrogen
is bonding with oxygen and it is an enormous amount of power
in contained areas.
Rense: I just received word, Yoichi, and I
don't know any more than this. This is from CNN, workers at
Japan's damaged nuclear power plant, this would be Fukushima
One, have suspended operations and evacuated. This from the
chief cabinet secretary. They have pulled out, that means Number
Two is free to melt down, totally, that means we could --
Shimatsu: They have the pumps pumping away
Rense: There is no one there to watch them
Shimatsu: Basically when they release the pressure,
when they release the internal mixture of hydrogen and oxygen
in the water, when they release that into the air, they have
to back off because there is a likelihood of an explosion again.
We will see explosions and explosions and explosions over and
over again, because this is a process, a chemical process that
just builds up, you have got to release the stuff, when you
do, it explodes.
Rense: If I am reading this right, and CNN
has it right, this is a new level of the crisis. Again I will
read it --.
Shimatsu: It is better that it explode outside
the reactor rather than in the containment chamber.
Rense: I understand that.
Shimatsu: The evacuations and these explosions
that will be reoccurring. We are going to get very used to these
explosions after a while. As long as the containment chambers
don't explode in the core reactor, we still have some margin
Rense: I don't know. Boy, I don't know. The
damage from those blasts on cooling system pumps, pipes, joints,
connections, these things -- these pipes are not that big. Four,
five, or six inches. Some of them.
Shimatsu: Yes, yes.
Rense: They will break like a pretzel. Well,
we will see. We have to take a break We will come back, Yoichi,
in about five minutes, so please stand by, and we will continue.
Yoichi Shimatsu, direct from Hong Kong on this, we are getting
the inside, inside scoop for you, and we will be back. [45:23:30]
Rense: OK, welcome back. Things getting worse
by the minute. We are talking with Yoichi Shimatsu. The Fukushima
nuclear power plant has been abandoned. The workers have been
pulled out, the radiation levels too high, the danger obviously
unacceptable. Many of those workers clearly have been exposed
and will probably develop diseases and die in the near future.
There is some talk about bringing in helicopters at this point.
You heard that during the news break. Time will tell. That seems
to be the only way to approach this. The story from NBC, CNN,
about the same. Workers have been pulled back, operations suspended,
pretty much turning the planet over to whatever will happen.
And what is probably going to happen is quite clear, there will
be a full melt-down of at least one of the cores of the four
of the six reactors that have been severely damaged. FOX News
just reports, Japan suspended operations to prevent the stricken
Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant from melting down Wednesday,
after a surge in radiation made it too dangerous for workers
to remain at the facility. Cabinet secretary Yukio
Edano said work on dousing reactors with sea water was disrupted
by the need to withdraw. All right Yoichi, what does this mean?
Shimatsu: Well, basically it could mean another
explosion. I mean, that is the best case. And let us hope it
remains at that. Let us hope it does not -- it is a good sign
that they retreat because there will probably be an explosion
outside of the reactor rather than inside the containment chamber
of the reactor. I don't think we should be too alarmed yet.
I think that eventually there will be a melt-down, but they
have to be forestalled, to get some time for planning, logistics
and so forth. Civil defense and so forth, to get into gear.
And so it is very difficult obviously in Japan.
Rense: Right, if the workers, if TEPCO and
the government order the workers to get out of there, whichever
one or both it doesn't matter, clearly there is no ability for
anyone to do anything in there at this point in time, and the
plant has been abandoned to whatever happens.
Shimatsu: The people have not been doing too
much except pumping water in, so --
Rense: Well, that may be the difference, in
some cases, correct? We just don't know. We don't really know
what is going on.
Shimatsu: Again, the water level is going up
and down because it is being burned off in chemical reaction
Rense: All right, here is the quote by the
Washington Post today. The explosion, which you wrote
about, probably damaged the main protective shield around the
uranium-filled core inside one of the plant's six reactors.
Such a breech, would be the first at a nuclear power plant since
the Chernobyl catastrophe in the Soviet Union twenty five years
ago, and that anniversary is coming up within two weeks. How
very strange. Very strange.
Shimatsu: Yes, well, there is a lot to learn
from Chernobyl. The public health measures, the high cancer
rates in Ukraine, the fact that Poland had less because they
gave iodine, potassium iodide tablets to their population. I
was in Norway after that. They killed off the entire reindeer
herd and cattle herd there. All your dairy animals, because
Cesium and iodine
131, they tend to build up in human organs and in the organs
of animals, so if this crosses over half the United States,
as the jet stream would suggest it would, you are going to see
most of America's dairy industry, most of its wildlife wiped
out. You will have to import milk, probably, from other countries.
And there will be no such thing as breast-feeding and all that.
That would just be out of the question. A lot of higher cancer
rates, and so on.
Rense: You just said some very interesting
things. This is the smartest audience in talk radio without
a question of a doubt, but there are probably people who are
listening, who will listen to this program, who don't understand
what you just said. Why the dairy industry is dead. Why breast
feeding is out. Well let me just take breast-feeding first of
Shimatsu: Cesium is very much in low concentrations,
but what happens is it gets into the grass that the animals
eat, also into your grain supply, and --
Rense: What happened at Three Mile Island.
Shimatsu: Exactly. When you eat bread or whatever
you are eating, spaghetti or whatever, that Cesium will tend
to concentrate -- and iodide-- in your thyroid and your other
organs. In your liver, and so on. Where ever -- it will tend
to concentrate and build up in the breast tissue, and therefore
milk will be a high dosage vehicle for radiation.
Rense: As you probably know, human breast milk
is one of the --tragically in the Western world-- one of the
most toxic things you could come up with to feed an infant.
It has turned into an organ of elimination for the body of toxicity.
Shimatsu: Yes, that is very sad.
Rense: It is bizarre. The same thing with cattle.
Shimatsu: We are living in an absolutely contaminated
environment. Which are toxic to human health. And breast milk
is absolutely the leading -- it is a canary in the mine, when
children cannot drink their mother's milk without health risks,
again, we are talking about end game here. A real distortion
to the human population starting to crop up, yes.
Rense. That is one, and then if the child should
somehow survive and be reasonably healthy, they begin to of
course inject them with vaccines when they are hours old over
here. I do not know if you have the same thing in Hong Kong
or China or Japan.
Shimatsu: There have been a lot of problems
with that with these bird flu vaccines and all that, that cause
horrific syndrome in people --
Rense: But, the average vaccine load that an
18 year old in this country gets, is something close, I think
it is thirty eight different vaccines, and there are something
like 30 or 40 more in the pipeline. These things are insane.
The whole thing is nuts.
Shimatsu: The human body was not made to tolerate
these overloads that are being given. And so these melt-downs
that are occurring are like, well I guess the favored word of
the moment is the tipping point. We are talking about a tipping
point here. And believe me, I am no advocate of the Apocalyptic
2012 scenario because I think these things are preventable.
They are human-caused agencies. The tsunami did not destroy
the plants. The bad design did, the lack of defenses. It was
not a wave or an earthquake that destroyed it. And this is my
point out of Thailand too. I did this architectural report.
The tsunami didn't kill people, it was badly designed buildings
that killed people.
Rense: Wow, wow. Well obviously General Electric
has been very, very quiet so far. They are not going to open
their mouth and stick one or both feet in it. They are going
to be real quiet because they are clearly headed for major litigation
of some sort. Now they will plead it was an act of God and it
was not their fault, but, we are going to go back to basic design
work and that clearly is under high scrutiny by an awful lot
of people right now.
Shimatsu: Well, the people they are going to
have to worry about are the insurers. The Japanese took out
a heck of a lot of insurance on property and on these nuclear
plants and with European insurance companies. The insurers are
going to go after GE, so if you are a share holder of GE, the
obvious thing to do now is dump.
Rense: Well, by the way, yes, dump GE immediately.
You shouldn't be in the stock market anyway. By the way there
was another story that came through here the other day. TEPCO
has been contracted to build two new power plants in the U.S.
should more be built. Of course that is all probably water under
the bridge by now,. fortunately. All right, I still want to
go back to this issue, of all the people living in the area
there, because the low level distribution of radiation is quite
obviously severe. When they tell people to stay indoors and
don't go outside, what is that going to do to protect them?
Shimatsu: Well, virtually nothing because you
do have to vent your house. You do have to go out to go shopping.
So there is a 20 kilometer evacuation zone, and that is surrounded
by another 10 kilometers of ordering people to stay indoors.
I think that one of the problems is that these people have nowhere
to evacuate to.
Rense: Nowhere to go.
Shimatsu: A lot of people have left the coast
or are staying with their relatives. Their schools are filled
with --the hotels are filled. So you know, this is a real problem.
You are going to have to figure out a long term evacuation plan
to other parts of Japan. But then again, a lot of the trains
are not running. The buses are not running. So how do you evacuate
people? This is a multiple catastrophe. Everywhere you look
there are a series of very steep challenges.
Rense: The country has ordered, get this folks,
140,000 people to seal themselves indoors and apparently not
Rense: I don't know where this is going, but
it is obviously not going to a good position. It is going to
get a lot worse before it gets better. OK --
Shimatsu: Well, the warnings about nuclear
power have been out there --
Rense: For decades.
Shimatsu: For decades, and nothing was ever
done except to build more of these things.
Rense: And more on the drawing boards. Fortunately
Germany today announced the closure of its oldest two plants
or one plant. I have forgotten which. And they have suspended
all license extensions for all other plants in Germany, which
is the most intelligent thing I have heard. Meanwhile in this
country, the alleged president who I hope is an object of great
derision in the East, Barack Hussein Obama, said not to worry,
nuclear power is safe. I don't know what the word in Japanese
for shill and whore is, but we could apply them to this man
with no problem.
Shimatsu: Well, earthquakes and tsunamis are
not the only threat. There is this thing called the Stuxnet
Rense: That is right.
Shimatsu: That shuts down critical infrastructure.
Shuts down power systems. And which is obviously targeted at
nuclear plants. It wasn't just released against Iran. It has
been released all over Europe and the United States, China,
Asia. So we have this very malicious virus who is basically
targeted against nuclear plants. And American nuclear plants
are no exception. So, you know, we can have a computer shut-down
and exactly the same thing can happen. The generators don't
work. The pumps don't work, and you start to go into melt-down,
anywhere in the world. It was created in Israel. This was created
in Israel, designed in Israel, and released around the world.
Rense: Yep, yep. The virus itself, the Stux
virus, has made the Bushehr
reactor basically toast. It is done. They can't use it.
They can't take a chance. There is no way. One of the after
effects of the release of this virus was the Chinese report,
which nobody seemed to pick up on. We did here, that 12 million
computer systems were infected with the Stux virus in China.
Did you hear that?
Shimatsu: Oh yes, yes, yes, it is well known.
They don't talk a lot about it, but I do environmental work
in China, and do some consulting with the energy sector, and
yes, they said this is a very, very serious problem. And basically
they just have to basically go to local systems for control.
They just have to take their power systems off line.
Rense: How many nuclear plants in China right
Shimatsu: I think there is about 20-some. They
are planning another dozen. Right now there is some hardball
reconsideration. They are going to go ahead with about six of
them, but I think the ones further in the future are going to
have to be reconsidered. A lot of the future, I think not just
elsewhere, is the gumption to build offshore wind farms. Mega
wind farms off shore. That is happening in the North Sea. I
have done some consulting on that. Britain, the Netherlands,
Germany has come in. They are building right now, they have
got some on the North Sea. They connect Scandinavian with all
of Western Europe into one giant grid, thanks to these huge
wind farms out in the North Sea, so they are not in your back
yard. You will not be able to see them from shore. They are
fairly slow, they are very gigantic. They are very slow-moving.
They don't kill birds and so on. They don't create a lot of
problems. So a new infrastructure is being designed for the
North Sea to replace oil and gas, because they don't want to
be too dependent on Russian gas. So this is happening in Europe,
but it is not happening anywhere else.
Rense: Latest story from Reuters, conditions
at the stricken nuclear power plant in Japan have deteriorated
so much that there is a growing consensus that the crisis is
greater than the Three Mile Island accident in 1979, and that
there are fears that it could get significantly worse. Obviously
it is going to get significantly worse. It already is.
This is an issue of a plant with six reactors, four are gone.
The other two are reported to have problems. What do you know
about the other two, if anything?
Yoichi Shimatsu: Are you talking about reactors?
Rense: Yes. The reactors.
Shimatsu: Basically they are in partial melt-down.
There are three reactors so far. There is one -- even the offline
reactors seem to be having problems. One of the three that were
offline -- seem to be having them, and also separate nuclear
power plants they are overheating down there. We do not know
a lot about the other nuclear power plants in Japan at this
time, because they are nowhere near the criticality stage of
Fukishima One. But this problem may spread further, so we have
to be open to every eventuality and face these as they come.
Rense: What I would like to do is go back and
revisit what you said about radiation, radioactivity coming
over the United States. It goes up and hits the jet stream,
8,000 feet or more, and then it is here in two or three days.
Shimatsu: Well, the first thing I would say
is even if an accident one tenth this size were happening in
North Korea or Iran, you would see the security consults, the
press going ballistic, the IAEA, everyone would be on high alert.
Rense: You bet.
Shimatsu: We have something much larger right
in the United States. It is right in the path of this deadly
locomotive of radiation, and nothing is being done. No one seems
to care. I wrote in one of my summits, everybody go back to
sleep, yes? So this is, I think, a problem. Unless people wake
up and realize the danger, start doing the planning, if people
can't work as an international community to figure out how to
stop a radioactive cloud from crossing the Pacific, then the
unthinkable is going to happen.
Shimatsu: I am talking about how we might have
a grace period of a month, by let us say by late April or May,
the ground temperatures are going to get warmer. If there is
a melt-down, it is going to shoot all the radiation right into
the jet stream, and there will not be time. We still have some
time, very very precious, days, maybe weeks, maybe days, only
-- to get the planning on the ground, and no one is doing it.
Rense: Maybe we should take some of the chemtrail
spray planes and turn them into equipment for --
Shimatsu: Absolutely, or cloud seeders. What
ever they are doing, I do not know what they are doing all around
the world, but they could be cloud-seeding off the East Coast
of Japan right now -- at least a practice run. They are going
to -- you can't get them all off U.S. carriers or even bases
in Japan may be contaminated. I would suggest that Russian air
force bases in Kamchatka, the Kurile Islands could be used if
the U.S. wants to cooperate with Russia to do something like
this. You know people are going to have to put aside a lot of
political, ideological, economic competition. They talk a lot
about globalism, we are seeing zero global action here from
Rense: Well said, and well qualified. Exactly
right. And his point about Iran or North Korea having a leak
like this, the international globalist Illuminati-Zionist community
would be going crazy right now. The media would be absolutely
screaming their heads off. What we are seeing here is obfuscation,
lies, and the next time somebody rolls out a talking head to
say, "Don't worry, be happy." Small chance of any
problem. I hope you folks hit the delete key real fast on your
computers. It is a lie. All right, so the workers have been
Shimatsu: If I can just add one point about
what you said here about the globalists --
Rense: Go ahead.
Shimatsu: You know last year about this time
I was in Berlin where I heard Henry Kissinger announce his non-nuclear
world policy. It was his first announcement. He happened to
be in the former headquarters of the Stasi, the East German
Secret Police where he made this statement. And since then we
have seen a lot of what we might call very robust anti-proliferation
work going on around the world. You know, we saw Mubarek and
his son, they were trying to build a nuclear, revise Egypt's
nuclear plant to build up a nuclear deterrent against Israel.
They had the cooperation probably of Libya, a uranium provider.
Tunisia, because they are concerned about what has been happening
in Gaza and Lebanon. Mubarek was shut down. We see Angela Merkel,
she made a U-turn, cut and run. Her speech was given in Germany.
So we are seeing the possibility -- I don't know, I am not suggesting
anything, but I don't exclude the possibility, maybe those generators
at Fukushima were shut down by computer virus before the
Tsunami hit. We do not know, OK.
Rense: And we probably never will.
Shimatsu: Well, it could be traced. If people
check and see if Fukushima One was under attack, Japanese nuclear
plants have been under attack. It is a high national security
issue, the Japanese government would never disclose that because
of its security alliance with the United States. But in the
Kobe quake, and the subsequent disasters, we did find evidence
-- and we are talking about top seismologists from Tsukuba
University of Seismic Technology, talking about very, very
unusual patterns in the ionosphere above Kobe for six months
prior to the earthquake. That puzzles them. Today Japanese seismologists
are saying this quake behaves like no other quake they have
ever seen. It is completely inexplicable. It has been followed
by quakes along fault lines where these are totally disconnected
to this fault line, so the seismologists themselves are saying
this does not seem to be a natural event like previous quakes
we have been studying for the last hundred years, so there is
some concern that maybe some of the disaster has been -- some
of this disaster may have been abetted by a robust anti-proliferation
campaign that is being run something like Captain Nemo or like
Swordfish. There might be a covert program to shut down,
like with Stuxnet in Iran, to shut down the world's nuclear
systems to maintain a monopoly of a few countries.
Rense: Well, it makes no sense to damage Japan
to the extent that Japan can no longer buy useless American
treasury bills, or, prop up the Euro with good Japanese money
and assets -- that is gone now, so I don't understand the game.
Japan, as you folks know, Japan -- probably you know -- Japan
sits on four major techtonic plates that are constantly pushing
together and moving. This is one of the ten great earthquakes
in history. And as Yoichi said, we have been monitoring earthquakes
for about a hundred years. Well, the planet is 4.3 billion years
old. We don't know what happens. It is very difficult to know
and understand the ultimate forces of the plates on the planet.
And what happens underneath, the magma, and the pressures, upthrusting,
downthrusting, convection, all these things are unknown, so
when scientists say they have never seen anything like this
before, to me it is does not mean a lot. We have been watching
this for a hundred years, at the most. So we will see. Hang
on if you will, Yoichi, we will be right back with another couple
of segments, and then we will say "Good morning to you."
Thanks for being here, so stay with us, we will be right back
Yoichi Shimatsu, in just a couple of minutes. [1:07:28]
Rense: OK, and we are back, talking about the
Fukushima catastrophe if you just tuned in. The emergency heroic
workers, about 50 of them, have all been pulled off. The plant
has apparently been abandoned. We will see what happens. This
does not auger well for the future. The idea of a full core
melt-down is something that we have never seen before. Even
Chernobyl was a partial, if I remember. This would be if it
happens a full core. A seven hundred and fifty megawatt generator,
Shimatsu: That is right. That's right.
Rense: That would be Number Two. So if one
of the four stricken reactors melts down, what is there to keep
the others from following suit? If anything?
Shimatsu: Well, if they start to melt down,
the others will follow suit because you will have to abandon
the whole area. So we are talking about basically six reactors
will have to be entombed -- it is a lot of work.
Rense: Well, they had better start entombing
them right now.
Shimatsu: Well, as you say, they have got to
get the preparations going.
Rense: We have been through that. I do understand.
Shimatsu: They will have a hard time doing
Rense: If the world basically is going to lose
100 million people, I think that every effort should be made
by the alleged leaders of the free world or the world at large
to do something about this. And if they have to --
Shimatsu: At least go into planning for worst
case. The worst case scenario is on the immediate horizon. And
you have got to get the preparations up, the logistical plans
up. The design things organized, the implementation. What do
we lose if they don't melt down. The reactor shields hopefully
stay up, and if we can get this thing contained, excellent,
wonderful, but we still must be prepared for the worst case
scenario. Otherwise we are completely being reckless and irresponsible.
Rense: How far away from the facility is the
Shimatsu: It is further to the south. It is
not that far away, maybe 20 miles.
Rense: They need to start bringing heavy equipment
in there and cleaning that runway now.
Shimatsu: Yes. That is the point. They need
to get a causeway, some sort of pontoon bridge out to the thing
and get this thing ready. So that is what I am saying. The logistical
nightmare is there, but it has got to be dealt with by different
teams of people who can move in there and take care of this
problem. And the problem is the Japanese government faces death.
They have not passed their new [unintelligible] yet. They are
bit overwhelmed. So I think some sort of international effort
has to be mounted. But Japanese people would not accept a one-sided
U.S. effort. They would want a full international U.N.-organized
effort so that there is enough transparency.
Rense: They had better cut the red tape and
get with it. A few days ago --
Shimatsu: The other thing is I have often been
asked why is it the Japanese, the only country to be hit with
two nuclear bombs, would opt for nuclear energy, and one of
the reasons is that in the 60's the whole history of the nuclear
power history was a time when the United States under this program
Murray Hill -- tried to build a global monopoly over uranium.
Saw it as a power of the future. The king power of the future.
And this is one that could ultimately be controlled globally
under U.S. standards and management systems and Nonproliferation
Treaty and all, and Japan was basically a subordinate ally of
the United States and accepted it. The United States does not
want Japan to rely heavily on oil like it did before World War
II, which lead to World War II. The Japan drive for war historically
was to try to feed oil reserves.
Rense: That was the greater Southeast Asia
co-prosperity project, which the United States torpedoed.
Shimatsu: And to counter that, the United States
component had nuclear power as the alternative to petroleum.
And this is how the Japanese nuclear power industry really got
started, and that is why it is no accident that GE designed
Rense: And who owns most of the uranium mines
in the world? The Queen of England. She is the figurehead, but
she has been buying them up. And the largest recent purchase
I am told was in the middle of Australia. A railroad has been
built to service the area, so that is another one. Obviously
the future is a nuclear future for the Illuminati globalists.
Let me go back to these actual hands-on issues here. Early Wednesday
it says in this particular story from FOX [News], Japan abandoned
plans to spray water from helicopters into an overheating spent
fuel storage pool. A TEPCO spokesman said that helicopters were
deemed impractical, but other options were under consideration.
Now you mentioned the fire engines, but they are unmanned right
now because the people have pulled out. At least the announcement
came in the last half hour. So no helicopters, impractical.
No fire engines. No water being sprayed, as far as I can tell,
because the pumps are not there being manned.
Shimatsu: They are there passively. You don't
need workers there on site all the time. You need workers to
run the pumps from a distance.
Rense: Well, if they go in there to fuel the
Shimatsu: They are temporary and they try to
come back. So again, this is a drama that is going to go back
and forth and back and forth every day for ---
Rense: It is kind of like a war, isn't it?
Shimatsu: Yes, it is a war against our own
technology. The bombs we place right in our back yards, so whose
fault is this? This is our own for becoming dependent like this
on a very, very -- I mean every other power source you flip
the switch --
Rense: You can deal with it.
Shimatsu: An hour, a day, or a minute they
shut down, but this nuclear power's strength was that it provides
continuous energy for indefinite -- for the next 100,000 years,
and this was the selling point of it, and now that selling point
has turned viciously against it. [1:13:37]
Rense: Every plant, ladies and gentlemen, many
of you listening probably have a nuclear power plant not too
far away. Every one of these plants is a catastrophic nuclear
bomb waiting to go off. By the way, I was told today that 80%
of America's nuclear power plants will not withstand
an 8.0 quake, they will fall apart. So we are that close to
catastrophe. That goes to another issue that I have been pushing
for a long time, and that is if 9/11 were real, and those supposed
Muslim hijackers had actually wanted to destroy the Great Satan
America, what would they have done with those jet liners Yoichi?
They would not have flown them into the World Trade Center.
They would have flown them into what?
Shimatsu: Well yes, sure -- nuclear power plants.
Rense: Nuclear power plants. They would have
found the nearest plant. They would have taken three or four
plants out and that would have been the end of the eastern seaboard
of the United States.
Shimatsu: Well we know that nuclear power plants
have been under attack through computer systems.
Shimatsu: Attacking critical infrastructure.
So we don't have to wait for airplanes to come crashing in.
All you need is for someone to shut down the generators that
run the pump. By the time we get them up again, it will be too
late. So you know, they are very vulnerable. We have a very
malicious virus out there, very difficult to stop, attacking
those nuclear power plants all over the United States, all over
Europe, and so on. We don't have to wait, whether terrorists,
or whether just some crazed actor, or some agenda by some elite
party. We don't know who is doing it, but they are under attack
at this very moment that we are speaking.
Rense. That is a very important point Yoichi.
One crazed hacker. That is all it takes. We are going to take
a break here for a couple of minutes and then come right back.
As we go to the break, let me remind you that one hacker, and
that virus is still out there, it didn't just go away. The Stux
virus is there, lying in wait, in untold numbers of computers
waiting to be spread and to do its thing. OK, we'll be right
back with Yoichi Shimatsu in a couple of minutes. [Start of
Rense: We are back, talking about the unfolding
disaster in Japan, which appears certain to pose a real crises.
We need to get busy on it right now here in the States. We don't
know what is going to happen, but let us plan now folks and
not wait until it is too late. The latest story I am getting
here, the New York Times, Hiroko Tabuchi reports
that a small group of workers still remains at the Fukushima
Dai-ichi plant, contrary to what an English translation of what
the chief cabin secretary Edano
remarks had implied. So the situation remains unclear there.
Rense: Hopefully you will be able to get on
that and advise me and others about what the man really said.
Translation is always an issue. It would not surprise me if
they did pull the workers out at all, I mean the radiation levels
are so high they are dead. So when do you draw the line?
Shimatsu: Well, obviously they are going to
pull back workers in specific units in the reactors when [unintelligible
-- gases] and really bleed out some of this explosive gas, they
will do that, and I think that is what is going on. Once that
gases is let out, and it is disbursed, they can go back in.
Rense: Got it.
Shimatsu: Like I said, this is a drama that
is going to be happening for weeks ahead, so we just have to
used to the fact that there are going to be explosions, there
are going to be pullouts, and they are going to try to get back
in there and restore water supplies and all that. The other
thing is that my mobile phone may be experiencing a melt-down
because I am running out of battery power, so if I do shut down,
it will be because my phone is going out.
Rense: Well, we have just got about eight minutes
left, so maybe it will work.
Shimatsu: All right.
Rense: OK, so this has been fascinating. We
have a big debate over here. There is a panic underway in this
country already, and it has to do with potassium iodide and
People are mistakenly under the impression that that will protect
their entire bodies to some degree from radioactivity. It will
not, as you know.
Shimatsu: No, no.
Rense: In fact, I am against people taking
it without strict supervision and an understanding of what they
are doing. It will only affect the thyroid gland. What is the
position of the Japanese government on potassium iodide?
Shimatsu: As you correctly state, it is a limited
blocker. Basically your thyroid -- we all have iodide salts
to take care of our thyroid gland. Our thyroids naturally absorbs
iodide, most of which is healthy and necessary for our bodies.
Unfortunately when uranium decays and with sufficient processes
131, which will then enter your thyroid gland, cause all
kinds of glandular, you know your thyroid controls all your
organs. It will create a lot of disturbing symptoms for your
organs, and basically mess up your control system. And also,
you could get thyroid cancers. Potassium iodide is only effective
there, and you should only take it when exposed to high levels
of iodide. It does not do anything against Cesium or any of
the other kinds of isotopes.
Rense: OK. So we don't want to be taking any
of this folks as a daily prophylactic, please, thank you. The
thyroid is the control gland based on your body's metabolism
and all the endocrine glands are integrally inter-related. If
one goes out of whack, then they all suffer, so it is a delicate
balance between the thyroid and the other glands in the body.
That is why it is so important to try to protect it. But not
at the expense of damaging it, which is exactly what K-1 can
do. So folks be careful about that. What is the Japanese government
Shimatsu: You can get overdosed with the potassium.
Use only in that particular time and moment. And any kind of
radiation -- there is no steady fall out. It comes and goes.
You have got to watch out during the spikes, and then it will
be reduced to back ground levels.
Shimatsu: So you have got to be very, very
rational about this. And that is why local government, health
authorities, have to try to get to people information about
fall out -- where it occurs, if it does reach the United States
or other countries.
Rense: By the way, the radioactive iodine has
a very short half life. By the time it gets over here, if it
does get over here, much of it will have dissipated. So it is
not something that --
Shimatsu: Most of it will dissipate, that is
Rense: The big one to worry about -- cesium
Shimatsu: Cesium. Actually cesium is the greater
problem over the long run. It gets into the grain supplies and
into the food supplies.
Rense: Well, it goes into the soil and the
plants uptake it, and they are harvested.
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: So if we get a big dose of Cesium over
the bread belt, the bread basket of the United States, a lot
of farmers are going to be out of luck and out of business,
and you think food prices are high now folks, wait until you
see what happens. So no more backyard gardens. If you are dosed,
you can't do that. Your dirt will be contaminated. If you have
got a backyard garden, we have a radioactive problem, it might
be a good idea to cover that with large sheets of plastic until
the danger is passed to protect your soil. Cesium has a half
life -- it is dangerous for thirty five years, I understand.
Shimatsu: Yes, yes. You are absolutely correct.
That is why timely information, if it is going to be localized
fall-out, you actually do that, cover your back yard, where
[and] when you throw away raincoats and so on. Wear face masks.
After it passes, we are going to go back to background levels.
Again this is preparation. This is civil defense preparation.
You don't get a whole nation panicked and in your underground
bunkers for the next ten years. This is a danger that comes
and goes if it does arise. And it will be dispersed, there will
not be any -- but it does build up in the body. There is a long
term stretch that has to be monitored and watched. It is as
simple as that. There is nothing to be totally afraid or panicked
Rense: There are things that can be taken,
that will actually reduce the amount of radioactivity and radiation
and effects in the body, we know that. There are cleansers and
detoxifiers out there. We will be talking more about that on
this program tomorrow night, in fact. What I would like to ask
again, we have seen pictures of empty supermarket shelves in
Tokyo. Panic. What is the government trying to do to psychologically
-- besides lie, which fortunately it is not doing so much of
anymore -- to psychologically calm the public? To arm them with
knowledge. What is it doing overtly, Yoichi?
Shimatsu: Well this is why the government finally
had to -- raised the censorship level after the first 24 hours
but then within the first two days it lowered it again and after
three days lowered it again. It realized the lack of information
was causing a lot of public distrust. The public was therefore
panicking and stocking up on food supplies because they realized
that if there is a melt-down, the power system will go down
again, which means the logistics are going to go down. Food,
fuel and things will not be delivered to the storage. So that
is why people are stocking up. Now the government being a little
more truthful now, you know, regained its credibility. So this
lowers the level of public panic. I think that this is why truthfulness
of information, disclosure, very timely, very quick, with some
explanation -- I think one of the problems is the Japanese government
is not giving enough scientific explanations. So people are
really worried about these blasts. They do not understand the
chemistry of the blasts. So you do need experts, instead of
reassuring you, like we are seeing with spreading [of nuclear
spokesmen?-- unintelligible] we do need proper scientists, engineers,
or experts, people who have had experience, maintenance men
even, where they can explain this stuff to people.
Rense: Well, like you do so marvelously in
your writing. Here is an encouraging story. The Vancouver British
Columbia provincial government is recommending pharmacies not
dispense potassium iodide for sale in connection to the nuclear
problem in Japan because it is dangerous. It is recommended
of the BC officials that the pharmacies not dispense or stockpile.
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: Some pharmacies have reported a big
run on sales of iodide tablets and I am afraid right now there
are people taking these things every day thinking they are going
to prepare themselves.
Shimatsu: They are going to be very misinformed.
I mean in Chernobyl most of the iodide fell within the vicinity
of the plant. Some of it drifted over to neighboring countries.
But the rest of the world was not affected by the Iodine 131.
So it is not a major threat over long distance. It would only
be if we had this really, really intense concentration coming
over. And at that time it will still be very localized where
that fall-out would occur, and at that time you would dispense
for a short amount of time until that cloud passes over, and
you would do monitoring and so on.
Rense: We have a lot of people now talking
about buying Geiger
counters, and so forth. This of course is a reflex of great
concern on the part of people. Is this healthy or non-healthy?
Do we rely on universities? Do we rely on the government to
give us the truth? What do we do?
Shimatsu: The problem with a Geiger counter
is that it does not help you a lot when you have atmospheric
fall-out. Because a Geiger counter is useful like when you find
uranium in the ground from mineral deposits. And the problem
is in terms of human health the Geiger measurements are not
very useful. The ticking that you hear from Geiger counters,
what you are talking about is micro or millisieverts, and they
are very much harder to determine. And the question of time,
the hours of exposures, are all very critical. And I have done
this kind of monitoring in the past, and believe me it is very,
very difficult to tell what actually is going on. When you hit
the threshold of a threat to hell. This is why it should be
done by professionals in university labs, and so on, meteorological
centers, weather stations, they should be the ones who are doing
this, because they can have much more accurate equipment and
take much more precise calculations, and they can tell you how
much longer the danger will last with various fallout. Trying
to do it on your own, believe me, have done it before and I
have just quickly forgotten. In fact, do not remember right
now how to do it. I have a receiver counter. I have been trying
to get it up before, but I have kind of lost the instruction
manual. It is very, very difficult to measure. Not something
for a layman to do.
Rense: Very good point. Yoichi, you have been
brilliant tonight, thank you very much for being here. I look
forward to working with you, and if there is anything I can
do to help you, let me know, please, by all means send me your
materials and we will put them right up.
Shimatsu: Yes, well, my camera man and recording
team are up there in the hot zone. I just hope that they are
OK, and I hope that they can pull through for everyone else
out there and give them the information that they need.
Rense: Well, all right, I am here to help,
and thank you my friend very much. We will talk again.
Shimatsu: All right. OK. Good night.
Rense: All right, well there you go. And I
think you heard I think the suggestion that if we do have a
problem here, of covering your garden with plastic is a prudent
one. He talked about disposable rubber raincoats and you can
buy those pretty cheap. If you have to go out at all in any
situation where we are not flat-lining [in a post-fallout situation],
where we have got spikes [during fallout], you want to wear
a face mask. I do recommend N95. That is all you need. That
is the rating of a mask. N95 mask. Make sure it fits firmly
around your face. Put that on, and in most cases you are going
to be OK. You don't obviously want any skin exposed, so you
want to cover up. But this is going to be a situation that will
be obviously an extreme spike. Most people will not want to
go outdoors. All right, we will be right back with hour number
three in just a few minutes.