Strike at the Root,
Jewish supremacism can and must be challenged; an interview with Mark Weber (pictured) of the Institute for Historical Review.
The outrageous acts and near-supernatural hubris of powerful
Jewish groups -- exemplified by the Simon Wiesenthal Center -- directly
threaten our freedom and the peace and stability of the world in which
American Dissident Voices broadcast
July 31, 2005
by Kevin Alfred Strom
ON TODAY'S program we continue our discussion with Mark Weber,
Director of the Institute for Historical Review. We'll be talking about
the lies and deceit of the Jewish Simon Wiesenthal Center, Jewish
efforts to censor the Internet, the dangers of the Jewish war agenda in
the Middle East, and the so-called Greater Middle East Initiative to
overthrow governments which oppose Jewish supremacism. That's all next
on American Dissident Voices.
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Jewish author Norman Finkelstein has essentially stated
that nobody plays the Holocaust violins louder than the Simon
Wiesenthal Center, and he's not entirely happy about that; is that
Well, Norman Finkelstein's a remarkable man. His
parents, he says, are both Holocaust survivors. He's written a very
blunt book entitled The Holocaust Industry
and he calls the
Wiesenthal Center "a gang of heartless and immoral crooks, whose
hallmark is that they will do anything for a dollar." Those are pretty
strong words, but they're not inaccurate. The Wiesenthal Center has
been denounced even by other Jews for the relentless way that it plays
up the Holocaust in order to gain money. Judith Miller, the reporter
for the New York Times
who's been in the news a lot lately because
she's in jail for refusing to give information, wrote a book several
years ago entitled One by One by One
in which she stated that
the Wiesenthal Center has given new meaning to what was once a macabre
in-house joke, "There's no business like Shoah business."
"Shoah," of course, is the Hebrew word for the Holocaust. Even the head
of the Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Center in Israel, said some years ago,
"The Jewish people does many vulgar things, but the Wiesenthal Center
[has] raised it to a complete level: the optimum use of sensitive
issues in order to raise money." So its reputation even among other
Jewish groups is not a good one, but what's really a crime is that all
the rest of us are shaken down to support their agenda.
How rich is the Center?
Well, as I said earlier, it has an annual budget of $27
million according to its last filing, and it has an enormous museum in
Los Angeles which also received taxpayer funding. Rabbi Hier receives a
very generous salary, and over the years he's put a number of his close
relatives on the payroll as well. It's a kind of a cronyistic thing. On
the Board of Directors of the Wiesenthal Center is a man who owns a
company that has the contract to carry out security at the place. Also
on the Board are leading Hollywood people, including the Weinstein
brothers, who made a for-television movie about a Wiesenthal Center
undercover operation -- in which I, just incidentally, was mentioned in
a grotesque, ridiculous way. There's a whole lot of corrupt
"cross-fertilization," you might say, connected with the Wiesenthal
Center, involving financial figures in California, people in Hollywood,
and people in political life as well.
Well, it's not only a Jewish organization, but it's a
club of many of the wealthiest and most influential Jews. It appears
that the asset value and the budget of the Center are very large, and
yet it qualifies for millions upon millions upon millions of taxpayer
dollars from the people of the United States and the people of
California. It's really an outrage.
It's an outrage and it deserves the scorn and contempt
of every decent person. Our purpose in holding this demonstration is to
focus attention on the Wiesenthal Center's clear record of
recklessness, deceit, and lies -- and, above all, we want to protest
the taking of millions and millions of dollars in taxpayer funds to
support its activities. One of the Center's particularly harmful
activities is its generation of propaganda for war. Like other Jewish
organizations, the Wiesenthal Center was urging Americans to spend
their money and give the lives of their young people for war against
Iraq for many years before the invasion in March 2003. Already back in
1990 in an article in Newsweek
magazine Rabbi Hier was calling
on the United States to invade Iraq and overthrow the regime there. He
claimed that we had to do it because within three years Iraq would have
nuclear weapons. In 1991 the Wiesenthal Center ran a cover story in its
magazine that claimed that Iraq was killing Iranian prisoners of war in
special gas chambers built by a German company using Zyklon B gas, the
same gas that the Wiesenthal Center claims the Germans used to kill
millions of Jews in Europe during World War II. These claims are all
just fantastic lies.
That's a real whopper.
A real whopper, but the Wiesenthal Center gets away with
this because nobody calls them to account in the way that any other
kind of organization would be called to account. In the months leading
up to the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 the Wiesenthal Center was
putting out more falsehoods to justify an American invasion of that
country, claiming that Saddam Hussein was a great threat to the world.
This was part of the propaganda campaign that was being conducted by
other Jewish groups as well, whose claims we now know were untrue; and
the same claims, of course, were also promoted relentlessly by the Bush
Those who pose as apostles of tolerance and love often turn out to be the precise opposite.
The Wiesenthal Center's record has not undergone
anything like the scrutiny that it would receive even if it were a
government agency. Of course it's named after Simon Wiesenthal, who's
treated as a kind of living saint by the media, which have been
amazingly indulgent of the both Center and of the man after whom it is
named. Simon Wiesenthal himself has a record of reckless disregard for
truth, but the media just don't seem to care what the facts are, even
though the facts about the Wiesenthal Center and about Simon Wiesenthal
are very easy to check for anyone who does a little digging on his own.
I understand that one of the planks of the Wiesenthal
Center's agenda is censorship of the Internet. They have taken some
pretty strong positions on that issue, have they not?
Right. They distribute a CD-ROM about websites like
National Vanguard's and the IHR's -- sites that say things they don't
like -- and they have successfully urged corporations, schools, and
agencies to install filters that block out such sites. They have called
for censorship in other ways as well. Some years ago they were
successful in demanding that the Jewish conductor Daniel Barenboim not
perform any music by Wagner at a concert in Israel. This is an
organization that's always going on about tolerance -- in fact, the
museum that they run is called the Museum of Tolerance -- but it's a
very one-sided version of tolerance.
The Wiesenthal Center has an agenda for America, an agenda of
tolerance of everybody and everything, while it supports a country --
Israel -- that is so distinctly intolerant that it discriminates
against non-Jews as part of its basic institutional structure. It's a
Jewish state and Jews make no bones about the fact that it exists in
order to uphold Jewish interests, Jewish peoplehood, and a Jewish
agenda, but efforts by any other country to support that other
country's own cultural, racial, or religious character and heritage are
denounced by the Simon Wiesenthal Center as "intolerant." This is a
blatant double standard. One of the most obvious examples of this is
that the Wiesenthal Center is loudly critical of any terrorism against
Jews in Israel, but has publicly and very enthusiastically welcomed to
its offices two Israeli leaders -- Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin --
who have well-documented records as terrorists, carrying out
assassinations and bombings against British and Arab targets back in
the days before Israel was formed in 1948.
Well, by pointing that out you've probably put any site that carries this interview text on Rabbi Abraham Cooper's block list.
We've seen a sharp upturn in the last week in the hate
mail that we've been receiving, but that's good because it shows that
we're stepping on some toes that should be stepped on.
Now Cooper is essentially the censorship point man at the Center, is he not?
Well, he's the so-called Associate Dean of the Center,
and he and Hier are both very important and play large roles, but
Cooper speaks more to the public than Hier does. I think part of the
reason for this is Hier's unattractive appearance.
Yes, people have accused us of altering the photographs
we carry on nationalvanguard.org of Rabbi Hier, but we have not altered
them at all. He actually looks like that.
He's a particularly repulsive looking character.
Speaking of altering photographs, the Wiesenthal Center was caught a
couple of years ago when it put on its Web site a doctored photograph
taken at Auschwitz in 1944. Because the real photograph wasn't lurid
enough, the Wiesenthal Center added some smoke pouring out of a
supposed crematory chimney in the background. Some sharp-eyed friends
of the IHR pointed this out and we ran an article showing the
alteration made to this photograph by the Wiesenthal Center on our
site. David Irving also pointed it out on his Web site, and after a
time the Wiesenthal Center finally removed the photograph after the
alteration had been pointed out by quite a few people. That's a pretty
clear example of doctoring of photographs by the Wiesenthal Center, but
it's not a unique one.
Well, Mark I wish you well in your protest efforts and
your efforts to bring greater awareness of the nefarious agenda of the
Simon Wiesenthal Center and Jewish supremacism in general to the
American public and to the world on the Internet. You've been busy with
some other activism this summer. I just saw -- in a Jewish newspaper,
no less -- a report that you recently spoke in New York City. Can you
tell us what took you to New York and what happened there?
Last Saturday I was in New York for a visit and I spoke
at an IHR meeting. It's the first IHR meeting we've had in Manhattan.
The person on the ground who was organizing things was Michael
Santomauro, who runs the Reporter's Notebook Web site. Last October
Michael was the target of the Jewish Defense Organization, another
militant Zionist group, that is headed by a criminal, Mordechai Levy.
The meeting went very well and the audience was very enthusiastic.
Luckily we didn't have any trouble with Mordechai Levy or anyone else
at the time, and the Forward
, a very influential Jewish weekly published in New York City, even sent a reporter to the meeting.
Part of the purpose of the meeting -- and of a lot of what I've
been doing in the last several months -- is to try to focus attention
on the danger for everyone, regardless of what principles and what
causes are dearest to each of our hearts, of the Jewish/Zionist grip on
our political and cultural life. The world is waking up, I think, to
the harm that this Jewish/Zionist monster does to our lives, if for no
other reason than that everyone is alarmed at the danger of a war with
Iran, which would have terrible consequences. The same people who have
pushed for war, not only against Iraq, but also against Syria and other
countries, are now agitating for a new war against Iran. The
consequences of such a war would be terrible for the world, and
regardless of what principles or what causes we feel most strongly
about, it's in the interest of all of humanity to work together to
oppose this Jewish/Zionist power that has been able to cause so much
destruction and death, and which so corrupts our political system and
our cultural life, especially in America.
How was your message received, Mark?
It was very well received, and there was a standing
ovation at the end. I stressed very strongly in my speech the
importance of the fact that Jews see themselves as a separate people
with a separate agenda. This isn't something new; it's been true
throughout history, and in fact, if Jews in general didn't have such a
fervent sense of separateness -- of chosenness -- then the Jewish
people would long ago have vanished from the stage of history.
When a group with a very strong sense of its own peoplehood is able
to push successfully for an agenda that's different from the interests
of other people around them this is bound to create great problems.
This was recognized more than a hundred years ago by Theodor Herzl when
he wrote The Jewish State
, and that's why he thought the only
solution to the problem would be the founding of a country in which
Jews would live normally, as other nations do. Well, that hasn't
happened, and I don't think it ever really will happen. I emphasized
strongly in my speech that we're now seeing the playing out on a world
stage of a drama that has played itself out time and again in many
different places and cultures over many centuries. In the past it has
been played out on a regional, local, national, or sometimes a
continental stage, but now it's happening on a worldwide stage. Because
it's a worldwide problem, it must be dealt with by the world as a
whole. That's why it's so crucially important that we have the maximum
amount of unity and cooperation against this power among people of good
will all around the world.
Well, I hope we can do that, Mark. It's interesting
that the Jews have this strong sense of separateness -- of otherness --
and yet they are the one people who are literally everywhere in the
Yes, that's true. In my speech I quoted from an article
by a Jewish community leader entitled "We're Right, the Whole World's
Wrong," in which the author emphasized not only the separateness of
Jews, but that Jews have always been right and the rest of humanity has
been wrong. You see this kind of thinking also in the propaganda of the
Wiesenthal Center, too; there's this immense distrust of non-Jewish
humanity. To give to any minority group tremendous power is a bad
thing, but this is especially dangerous when it's a group that views
the rest of us with such distrust and hostility. That's just a
disastrous situation, but we have to come to grips with it. Luckily,
there seems to be all over the world, if not yet very strongly in our
country, a growing and widespread awareness of this reality.
You spoke of the potential for war with Iran, and I saw
that last week you were interviewed by Mehr News, the Iranian news
agency, talking about something called the Greater Middle East
Initiative -- GMEI. Can you tell us about that?
My interview appeared in English in the Tehran Times
and elsewhere in the Iranian media in Farsi. I was asked to answer some
questions about this initiative that's being pushed by the Bush
Administration. It's been called the Greater Middle East Initiative to
bring democracy to that region of the world, and Bush and his
administration have been pushing it for some time now. It's not only
hypocritical, it's also doomed to failure and based on false premises.
The Initiative is an echo of Woodrow Wilson's pledge to go to war
against the Central Powers during the First World War to "make the
world safe for democracy." It's just unbelievable arrogance to think
that any country should impose its cultural and political standards on
other countries. There is no sane reason why the differences in
political systems should inevitably be a cause for war between
countries, unless of course a country aims its political system
aggressively against other countries.
The one country in the world that has troops all over the globe now
is the United States -- and one of the great dangers that we are seeing
is the growth of a bipolar world in which the United States and Israel
are on one side, and the rest of the world is on the other. This is
another point I made in my talk.
That development is very good for promoting awareness of Jewish power, but it's very bad for the people of the United States.
Well, we Americans are both complicit and victims at the
same time. We're complicit because we permit and have permitted our
government to exercise power on behalf of alien interests. That's a
very bad thing, but most Americans don't seem to understand the
implications of it. At the same time we're also victims, because our
own cultural heritage, our own values, and our own way of life have
been harmed by all of this, and our interests are being hurt.
I can't stress enough the damage that's already taken place to our
standing in the world, but we're going to pay an even higher price in
the years ahead, I'm afraid. Right now nearly 1,800 Americans have lost
their lives in the Iraq war, which I think is incontrovertibly a war
primarily for the interests of Israel and Jewry -- and we're going to
be paying a higher price in the years ahead. This is in addition to the
billions and billions of dollars that we give to the state of Israel
and to the 200 or so billion dollars that the Iraq war has already cost
And that will be far overshadowed by the cost of any war with Iran.
A war with Iran would not only be more costly, it would
be even more obviously a war for Jewish and Zionist interests and one
against the interests of the world. Iran has good relations with every
country in the world now, except for the United States and Israel. The
previous president of Iran made state visits to England, France,
Germany, and Italy. Iran has repaired its relations with some of the
Arab countries with which it did not enjoy good relations in the past,
and there is no support whatever
in the world for a war against
Iran just because it has plans to build a nuclear reactor. It's just
mad. Iran has said that it's going to go ahead and build a nuclear
reactor -- something many countries around the world have -- but Israel has announced that if and when Iran builds the reactor it will attack Iran in order to destroy it
The danger here is not merely that a regional war might develop between
Iran and Israel, but that the United States would also be drawn into
such a conflict. Wars, throughout history, have often started one way
and then ended up very differently than anyone had planned or foreseen.
I think the Iraq war has ended up quite differently from how the neocon warmongers themselves envisioned it.
That's right, and as I mentioned in my speech, the same
people that pushed for the war against Iraq -- Douglas Feith, Richard
Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Norman Podhoretz -- have been pushing for the
violent overthrow of regimes throughout the Middle East. They want to
destroy every regime which is an actual or potential adversary of
Israel. That's just madness. The world has ready paid a high price, and
I'm afraid it's going to pay a still higher price for having permitted
this rogue state of Israel to get the power it has. If the United
States applied to Israel the same standards that we've applied to Iraq,
we'd be bombing Tel Aviv and we'd be putting Ariel Sharon behind bars
as a war criminal.
Indeed we would. Well, I salute you for your efforts to
prevent this tragedy, Mark. It's often said that those who do not
understand history are condemned to repeat it, but it seems like the
only people doing something serious to prevent that cycle from
repeating endlessly are the Institute for Historical Review and its
allies around the world. I want to thank you for all you're doing for
what is right, for what is good, and for what is true; and for all
you're doing to prevent some of these horrible tragedies from
occurring. I wish you well in your efforts and I thank you for your
scholarship, your speaking, your activism, and for being a guest on American Dissident Voices
Well, thank you again, Kevin. Of course, I admire your
work as well, and appreciate once again the opportunity to be your
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