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Strike at the Root,
Part 2

Jewish supremacism can and must be challenged; an interview with Mark Weber (pictured) of the Institute for Historical Review.

The outrageous acts and near-supernatural hubris of powerful Jewish groups -- exemplified by the Simon Wiesenthal Center -- directly threaten our freedom and the peace and stability of the world in which we live.

American Dissident Voices broadcast
July 31, 2005
by Kevin Alfred Strom

ON TODAY'S program we continue our discussion with Mark Weber, Director of the Institute for Historical Review. We'll be talking about the lies and deceit of the Jewish Simon Wiesenthal Center, Jewish efforts to censor the Internet, the dangers of the Jewish war agenda in the Middle East, and the so-called Greater Middle East Initiative to overthrow governments which oppose Jewish supremacism. That's all next on American Dissident Voices.

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KAS: Jewish author Norman Finkelstein has essentially stated that nobody plays the Holocaust violins louder than the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and he's not entirely happy about that; is that right?

MW: Well, Norman Finkelstein's a remarkable man. His parents, he says, are both Holocaust survivors. He's written a very blunt book entitled The Holocaust Industry and he calls the Wiesenthal Center "a gang of heartless and immoral crooks, whose hallmark is that they will do anything for a dollar." Those are pretty strong words, but they're not inaccurate. The Wiesenthal Center has been denounced even by other Jews for the relentless way that it plays up the Holocaust in order to gain money. Judith Miller, the reporter for the New York Times who's been in the news a lot lately because she's in jail for refusing to give information, wrote a book several years ago entitled One by One by One in which she stated that the Wiesenthal Center has given new meaning to what was once a macabre in-house joke, "There's no business like Shoah business."

"Shoah," of course, is the Hebrew word for the Holocaust. Even the head of the Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Center in Israel, said some years ago, "The Jewish people does many vulgar things, but the Wiesenthal Center [has] raised it to a complete level: the optimum use of sensitive issues in order to raise money." So its reputation even among other Jewish groups is not a good one, but what's really a crime is that all the rest of us are shaken down to support their agenda.

KAS: How rich is the Center?

MW: Well, as I said earlier, it has an annual budget of $27 million according to its last filing, and it has an enormous museum in Los Angeles which also received taxpayer funding. Rabbi Hier receives a very generous salary, and over the years he's put a number of his close relatives on the payroll as well. It's a kind of a cronyistic thing. On the Board of Directors of the Wiesenthal Center is a man who owns a company that has the contract to carry out security at the place. Also on the Board are leading Hollywood people, including the Weinstein brothers, who made a for-television movie about a Wiesenthal Center undercover operation -- in which I, just incidentally, was mentioned in a grotesque, ridiculous way. There's a whole lot of corrupt "cross-fertilization," you might say, connected with the Wiesenthal Center, involving financial figures in California, people in Hollywood, and people in political life as well.
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KAS: Well, it's not only a Jewish organization, but it's a club of many of the wealthiest and most influential Jews. It appears that the asset value and the budget of the Center are very large, and yet it qualifies for millions upon millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars from the people of the United States and the people of California. It's really an outrage.

MW: It's an outrage and it deserves the scorn and contempt of every decent person. Our purpose in holding this demonstration is to focus attention on the Wiesenthal Center's clear record of recklessness, deceit, and lies -- and, above all, we want to protest the taking of millions and millions of dollars in taxpayer funds to support its activities. One of the Center's particularly harmful activities is its generation of propaganda for war. Like other Jewish organizations, the Wiesenthal Center was urging Americans to spend their money and give the lives of their young people for war against Iraq for many years before the invasion in March 2003. Already back in 1990 in an article in Newsweek magazine Rabbi Hier was calling on the United States to invade Iraq and overthrow the regime there. He claimed that we had to do it because within three years Iraq would have nuclear weapons. In 1991 the Wiesenthal Center ran a cover story in its magazine that claimed that Iraq was killing Iranian prisoners of war in special gas chambers built by a German company using Zyklon B gas, the same gas that the Wiesenthal Center claims the Germans used to kill millions of Jews in Europe during World War II. These claims are all just fantastic lies.

KAS: That's a real whopper.

MW: A real whopper, but the Wiesenthal Center gets away with this because nobody calls them to account in the way that any other kind of organization would be called to account. In the months leading up to the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 the Wiesenthal Center was putting out more falsehoods to justify an American invasion of that country, claiming that Saddam Hussein was a great threat to the world. This was part of the propaganda campaign that was being conducted by other Jewish groups as well, whose claims we now know were untrue; and the same claims, of course, were also promoted relentlessly by the Bush Administration.

KAS: Those who pose as apostles of tolerance and love often turn out to be the precise opposite.

MW: The Wiesenthal Center's record has not undergone anything like the scrutiny that it would receive even if it were a government agency. Of course it's named after Simon Wiesenthal, who's treated as a kind of living saint by the media, which have been amazingly indulgent of the both Center and of the man after whom it is named. Simon Wiesenthal himself has a record of reckless disregard for truth, but the media just don't seem to care what the facts are, even though the facts about the Wiesenthal Center and about Simon Wiesenthal are very easy to check for anyone who does a little digging on his own.

KAS: I understand that one of the planks of the Wiesenthal Center's agenda is censorship of the Internet. They have taken some pretty strong positions on that issue, have they not?

MW: Right. They distribute a CD-ROM about websites like National Vanguard's and the IHR's -- sites that say things they don't like -- and they have successfully urged corporations, schools, and agencies to install filters that block out such sites. They have called for censorship in other ways as well. Some years ago they were successful in demanding that the Jewish conductor Daniel Barenboim not perform any music by Wagner at a concert in Israel. This is an organization that's always going on about tolerance -- in fact, the museum that they run is called the Museum of Tolerance -- but it's a very one-sided version of tolerance.

The Wiesenthal Center has an agenda for America, an agenda of tolerance of everybody and everything, while it supports a country -- Israel -- that is so distinctly intolerant that it discriminates against non-Jews as part of its basic institutional structure. It's a Jewish state and Jews make no bones about the fact that it exists in order to uphold Jewish interests, Jewish peoplehood, and a Jewish agenda, but efforts by any other country to support that other country's own cultural, racial, or religious character and heritage are denounced by the Simon Wiesenthal Center as "intolerant." This is a blatant double standard. One of the most obvious examples of this is that the Wiesenthal Center is loudly critical of any terrorism against Jews in Israel, but has publicly and very enthusiastically welcomed to its offices two Israeli leaders -- Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin -- who have well-documented records as terrorists, carrying out assassinations and bombings against British and Arab targets back in the days before Israel was formed in 1948.

KAS: Well, by pointing that out you've probably put any site that carries this interview text on Rabbi Abraham Cooper's block list.

MW: We've seen a sharp upturn in the last week in the hate mail that we've been receiving, but that's good because it shows that we're stepping on some toes that should be stepped on.

KAS: Now Cooper is essentially the censorship point man at the Center, is he not?
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MW: Well, he's the so-called Associate Dean of the Center, and he and Hier are both very important and play large roles, but Cooper speaks more to the public than Hier does. I think part of the reason for this is Hier's unattractive appearance.

KAS: Yes, people have accused us of altering the photographs we carry on of Rabbi Hier, but we have not altered them at all. He actually looks like that.

MW: He's a particularly repulsive looking character. Speaking of altering photographs, the Wiesenthal Center was caught a couple of years ago when it put on its Web site a doctored photograph taken at Auschwitz in 1944. Because the real photograph wasn't lurid enough, the Wiesenthal Center added some smoke pouring out of a supposed crematory chimney in the background. Some sharp-eyed friends of the IHR pointed this out and we ran an article showing the alteration made to this photograph by the Wiesenthal Center on our site. David Irving also pointed it out on his Web site, and after a time the Wiesenthal Center finally removed the photograph after the alteration had been pointed out by quite a few people. That's a pretty clear example of doctoring of photographs by the Wiesenthal Center, but it's not a unique one.

KAS: Well, Mark I wish you well in your protest efforts and your efforts to bring greater awareness of the nefarious agenda of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and Jewish supremacism in general to the American public and to the world on the Internet. You've been busy with some other activism this summer. I just saw -- in a Jewish newspaper, no less -- a report that you recently spoke in New York City. Can you tell us what took you to New York and what happened there?

MW: Last Saturday I was in New York for a visit and I spoke at an IHR meeting. It's the first IHR meeting we've had in Manhattan. The person on the ground who was organizing things was Michael Santomauro, who runs the Reporter's Notebook Web site. Last October Michael was the target of the Jewish Defense Organization, another militant Zionist group, that is headed by a criminal, Mordechai Levy. The meeting went very well and the audience was very enthusiastic. Luckily we didn't have any trouble with Mordechai Levy or anyone else at the time, and the Forward, a very influential Jewish weekly published in New York City, even sent a reporter to the meeting.
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Part of the purpose of the meeting -- and of a lot of what I've been doing in the last several months -- is to try to focus attention on the danger for everyone, regardless of what principles and what causes are dearest to each of our hearts, of the Jewish/Zionist grip on our political and cultural life. The world is waking up, I think, to the harm that this Jewish/Zionist monster does to our lives, if for no other reason than that everyone is alarmed at the danger of a war with Iran, which would have terrible consequences. The same people who have pushed for war, not only against Iraq, but also against Syria and other countries, are now agitating for a new war against Iran. The consequences of such a war would be terrible for the world, and regardless of what principles or what causes we feel most strongly about, it's in the interest of all of humanity to work together to oppose this Jewish/Zionist power that has been able to cause so much destruction and death, and which so corrupts our political system and our cultural life, especially in America.

KAS: How was your message received, Mark?

MW: It was very well received, and there was a standing ovation at the end. I stressed very strongly in my speech the importance of the fact that Jews see themselves as a separate people with a separate agenda. This isn't something new; it's been true throughout history, and in fact, if Jews in general didn't have such a fervent sense of separateness -- of chosenness -- then the Jewish people would long ago have vanished from the stage of history.

When a group with a very strong sense of its own peoplehood is able to push successfully for an agenda that's different from the interests of other people around them this is bound to create great problems. This was recognized more than a hundred years ago by Theodor Herzl when he wrote The Jewish State, and that's why he thought the only solution to the problem would be the founding of a country in which Jews would live normally, as other nations do. Well, that hasn't happened, and I don't think it ever really will happen. I emphasized strongly in my speech that we're now seeing the playing out on a world stage of a drama that has played itself out time and again in many different places and cultures over many centuries. In the past it has been played out on a regional, local, national, or sometimes a continental stage, but now it's happening on a worldwide stage. Because it's a worldwide problem, it must be dealt with by the world as a whole. That's why it's so crucially important that we have the maximum amount of unity and cooperation against this power among people of good will all around the world.

KAS: Well, I hope we can do that, Mark. It's interesting that the Jews have this strong sense of separateness -- of otherness -- and yet they are the one people who are literally everywhere in the world.

MW: Yes, that's true. In my speech I quoted from an article by a Jewish community leader entitled "We're Right, the Whole World's Wrong," in which the author emphasized not only the separateness of Jews, but that Jews have always been right and the rest of humanity has been wrong. You see this kind of thinking also in the propaganda of the Wiesenthal Center, too; there's this immense distrust of non-Jewish humanity. To give to any minority group tremendous power is a bad thing, but this is especially dangerous when it's a group that views the rest of us with such distrust and hostility. That's just a disastrous situation, but we have to come to grips with it. Luckily, there seems to be all over the world, if not yet very strongly in our country, a growing and widespread awareness of this reality.

KAS: You spoke of the potential for war with Iran, and I saw that last week you were interviewed by Mehr News, the Iranian news agency, talking about something called the Greater Middle East Initiative -- GMEI. Can you tell us about that?

MW: My interview appeared in English in the Tehran Times and elsewhere in the Iranian media in Farsi. I was asked to answer some questions about this initiative that's being pushed by the Bush Administration. It's been called the Greater Middle East Initiative to bring democracy to that region of the world, and Bush and his administration have been pushing it for some time now. It's not only hypocritical, it's also doomed to failure and based on false premises. The Initiative is an echo of Woodrow Wilson's pledge to go to war against the Central Powers during the First World War to "make the world safe for democracy." It's just unbelievable arrogance to think that any country should impose its cultural and political standards on other countries. There is no sane reason why the differences in political systems should inevitably be a cause for war between countries, unless of course a country aims its political system aggressively against other countries.

The one country in the world that has troops all over the globe now is the United States -- and one of the great dangers that we are seeing is the growth of a bipolar world in which the United States and Israel are on one side, and the rest of the world is on the other. This is another point I made in my talk.
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KAS: That development is very good for promoting awareness of Jewish power, but it's very bad for the people of the United States.

MW: Well, we Americans are both complicit and victims at the same time. We're complicit because we permit and have permitted our government to exercise power on behalf of alien interests. That's a very bad thing, but most Americans don't seem to understand the implications of it. At the same time we're also victims, because our own cultural heritage, our own values, and our own way of life have been harmed by all of this, and our interests are being hurt.

I can't stress enough the damage that's already taken place to our standing in the world, but we're going to pay an even higher price in the years ahead, I'm afraid. Right now nearly 1,800 Americans have lost their lives in the Iraq war, which I think is incontrovertibly a war primarily for the interests of Israel and Jewry -- and we're going to be paying a higher price in the years ahead. This is in addition to the billions and billions of dollars that we give to the state of Israel and to the 200 or so billion dollars that the Iraq war has already cost us.

KAS: And that will be far overshadowed by the cost of any war with Iran.

MW: A war with Iran would not only be more costly, it would be even more obviously a war for Jewish and Zionist interests and one against the interests of the world. Iran has good relations with every country in the world now, except for the United States and Israel. The previous president of Iran made state visits to England, France, Germany, and Italy. Iran has repaired its relations with some of the Arab countries with which it did not enjoy good relations in the past, and there is no support whatever in the world for a war against Iran just because it has plans to build a nuclear reactor. It's just mad. Iran has said that it's going to go ahead and build a nuclear reactor -- something many countries around the world have -- but Israel has announced that if and when Iran builds the reactor it will attack Iran in order to destroy it. The danger here is not merely that a regional war might develop between Iran and Israel, but that the United States would also be drawn into such a conflict. Wars, throughout history, have often started one way and then ended up very differently than anyone had planned or foreseen.

KAS: I think the Iraq war has ended up quite differently from how the neocon warmongers themselves envisioned it.

MW: That's right, and as I mentioned in my speech, the same people that pushed for the war against Iraq -- Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Norman Podhoretz -- have been pushing for the violent overthrow of regimes throughout the Middle East. They want to destroy every regime which is an actual or potential adversary of Israel. That's just madness. The world has ready paid a high price, and I'm afraid it's going to pay a still higher price for having permitted this rogue state of Israel to get the power it has. If the United States applied to Israel the same standards that we've applied to Iraq, we'd be bombing Tel Aviv and we'd be putting Ariel Sharon behind bars as a war criminal.

KAS: Indeed we would. Well, I salute you for your efforts to prevent this tragedy, Mark. It's often said that those who do not understand history are condemned to repeat it, but it seems like the only people doing something serious to prevent that cycle from repeating endlessly are the Institute for Historical Review and its allies around the world. I want to thank you for all you're doing for what is right, for what is good, and for what is true; and for all you're doing to prevent some of these horrible tragedies from occurring. I wish you well in your efforts and I thank you for your scholarship, your speaking, your activism, and for being a guest on American Dissident Voices.

MW: Well, thank you again, Kevin. Of course, I admire your work as well, and appreciate once again the opportunity to be your guest.

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This coming September 11 -- the birthday of National Vanguard founder William Pierce -- will mark our largest-ever organized pro-White literature distribution. National Vanguard's Western States coordinator Roger Williams has created two important new flyers focusing on homeland security and border control for this effort, and I'd like every American Dissident Voices listener to take part. To see the flyers and make your own copies for duplication, just visit or write to: National Vanguard, Box 5145, Charlottesville VA 22905.


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