Winds of Change:
An Interview with David Duke
An interview with leading White activist David Duke (pictured), recently returned from Europe.
American Dissident Voices broadcast
week of May 8, 2005
by Kevin Alfred Strom
TODAY WE WELCOME to our microphones one of the preeminent authors
and speakers and activists for White men and women around the world --
a man who has come closer than any other man to major political success
with an openly pro-White agenda, who is also the author of the valuable
books Jewish Supremacism and My Awakening, Mr. David Duke. Welcome to the program, David.
DD: Kevin, I'm really glad to be here. I want to say first
that I very much admire your work; your work on NationalVanguard.org,
your Web site, your radio program, your editing, and your writing has
served as an inspiration to me and, I know, to many other people. I've
always admired your work very, very much. And I'm very pleased to be on
the program with you.
KAS: Thank you so much,
David. Before we get into the main part of the program, can you tell us
something about the European American Conference that you're holding
this month, from the 20th to the 22nd of May? [ http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=264 ]
DD: I'm really excited about this conference. I hosted the
first conference last year partly because I've seen, for so many years,
so much disunity among "right wing" and European-American organizations
-- even infighting. I came to believe that we needed to present more of
a common front to the enemy. We don't have to destroy the individual
character of each group, but we need to present a common front -- not
only in the United States, but across Europe and the world.
We have an international Zionist enemy, which is purposefully
dedicated to our destruction -- not only to the destruction of our
ideas, but to literal eradication of our people from this planet. It's
a worldwide problem. And we are not going to be able to address and
solve this problem simply on a parochial or a national level. We've got
to have some sort of unity and make a common front.
And this international European American Conference is about
building that unity. Plus it's about having some guidelines about how
we can win -- the way to power in our respective countries; and also
how we are going to present our cause to our people, whether we're
going to conform to the Jewish Hollywood stereotypes of what our
movement is, or whether we're going to conform to what we really are. And that is: very dedicated men and women who believe in a great
ideal, who are not motivated by hatred but who are motivated by love of
their traditions and their values and their freedom, and who are
speaking in a high tone on these issues -- and not, again, conforming
to Hollywood stereotypes.
And in the first conference we held, last year, a number of the
different leaders who were present signed a Protocol to that effect.
This year's conference is probably going to be 50 to 60 per cent.
larger; there will be many more groups represented from around the
world; and I think the Protocol will grow in terms of signatories. I
think we're really moving forward in forming some sort of a unification
or alliance, if that's the right word to use, around the world, to
bring us toward our victory, our common goal -- which is the
preservation of our people, the total removal of Jewish/Zionist power
over our governments and our media, and really guiding our people once
more toward the stairway to the heavens.
KAS: How many people did you have at the conference last year, David, and how many do you think will make it this year?
DD: Last year, about 300 -- and in this facility, we're limited by space to about 500, and I think we'll fill every chair.
KAS: I'll be honored to be speaking there and sharing the
podium with so many distinguished men and women who care about their
race. I expect that National Vanguard members and members of other
pro-White groups, as well as individual activists, will also be there
-- not just listening to the speakers, but networking, sharing
information, and, most importantly, really getting to know each other.
DD: I think it's so vital that we do that. There have been a
lot of major leadership meetings in America over the last few years,
but this will certainly be one of the very largest in the years of my
memory. And also, at the conference, we're not going to mince any
words: We're talking about the entire problem. We're talking about the
survival of our heritage, our race. And we're also talking about Jewish
supremacism and the dangers of international Zionism and what that
means to our people. So this is a conference that's going to be full
bore. It's going to be talking about the truth. I think it's going to
be inspiring. I think it'll be instructive. We'll talk about how our
people can go into politics. We'll talk about that in a few minutes
here on the program -- what I think we need to do to achieve victory in
this country and around the world. This is going to be a fantastic
event, and I am looking forward to it very much.
KAS: How can listeners get more information about attending the European American Conference?
DD: They can call my office at 985-674-4433. Or they can go to my Web site, davidduke.com, and get all the information they need.
KAS: David, you spent several months in Europe recently. Can you tell us where you've been and what you've been doing there?
DD: I've been in just about every European country, and I've
been speaking at universities and before classrooms, and I've been
speaking at some public meetings as well. I've been meeting patriots
I've been meeting with patriotic candidates across Eastern Europe
-- I'm proud to say that I've helped a number of Eastern European
candidates in their national governments get elected to their
positions. I know something about politics in this country, obviously.
I received over 60 per cent. of the European-American vote here in
Louisiana in two elections. I got more votes in Louisiana in my last
race for governor than Patrick Buchanan got in the entire United States
So I know something about politics. I helped them with political
structure. And I think I've really been helping the people of Eastern
Europe -- the movement people; the very sound and clear and not kooky
people. And I say that very gingerly, but these are people who have a
clear -- and not kooky -- understanding of the Jewish problem.
KAS: I understand that your book, Jewish Supremacism, is continuing to be a top seller in Eastern Europe.
DD: According to the Jewish press, it is. An Armenian
publisher has actually handled the book. I don't get anything from it,
so I can't speak from firsthand knowledge, but the Jews themselves say
that approximately 680,000 copies have now been sold in the Russian
Federation. It's also in Bulgarian. It's been published by the
university where I lecture in Kiev. It's going into German. It's
already in a very beautiful Swedish edition. It's been translated into
and is almost ready for publication in Spanish, from Barcelona. There's
a French translation taking place.
It's making a tremendous impact. If you add up all the copies sold
in the world, including the English version and the other countries,
according to Jews it's sold more copies than all the other revisionist
books and books that are opposed to Zionism in toto -- more
than all of them combined. One Jewish organization recently said not
only that, but it is the very best selling book on the Jewish people,
period! -- selling even more than those from the pro-Jewish press.
I'm even impressed myself by how the book has taken off. I'm very
very pleased. I think it's a great handbook for people. It gives them a
thorough understanding of the Jewish supremacist problem in a very
convincing format. I hope that all your listeners have read the book by
KAS: That is a very impressive achievement. I'm sure that
your book is one of the engines driving the awakening in Europe -- the
awakening to the Jewish question. Before the program, you were saying
that it's really more than just an awakening to the Jewish question;
it's a merging of two distinct branches of thought. Can you tell our
listeners what you told me before the show?
DD: There are two aspects to our problem through which
people come to their awakening. Some come to it through a conservative
or more traditional approach, where they understand the basics of race.
In other words, they see our traditions under attack, our values, our
very heritage itself. They see immigration problems. And they're
looking for answers. A lot of people, for instance Whites in the United
States, see "affirmative action," the problems of forced integration --
and they become awakened.
But some people are coming to an understanding from the other end,
from an understanding of the Jewish problem. A lot of them are
liberals. Some of them are conservatives. They are very unhappy with
the idea that Israel, which is a foreign nation, now literally controls
the foreign policy of the United States government. That's a pretty
amazing event. And any patriotic American would be angry about it. So
converging lines of liberals who understand Jewish power and
supremacism and their suppression of human rights -- and conservatives
-- are coming together in a kind of amorphous understanding of the
KAS: Would you say that this process is farther advanced in Europe than it is in the United States?
DD: I think that it is, in a lot of ways. In Europe, you
have a much higher per capita size of movement organizations -- and
political participation. And this is where we're really failing in the
United States of America. I'm kind of shocked that there aren't 500
people or a thousand people who have already done what I did in
Louisiana: get elected to the Louisiana legislature, get elected to
public office, and speak openly for these ideas and issues -- and run
for major office and win. I'm kind of shocked.
I've won two separate elections: both for the House of
Representatives in Louisiana and for the Republican Party executive
committee, which took place at the same time as the regular election,
the voters' election. And that should be repeated. And I'm kind of
shocked that it hasn't been. We're going to talk a lot about that at
this conference: We'll tell people how to run; what the political
prospects are. There's no question in my mind that we should have
literally thousands of state legislators and people elected to
political office in this country right now. The time is right for that,
right at this moment.
KAS: You also spoke to audiences in Sweden and in Spain. Can you briefly summarize what you did there?
DD: We had some pretty interesting times. In Sweden I spoke
in three of the largest cities: Gothenburg, Helsingborg, and Stockholm.
The audiences were overwhelming. They were sold out and overflowing.
They have a very beautiful edition of my book now in Sweden. And
there's a lot of awakening going on now in that country.
In Spain, where I spoke, we were attacked by the Communists or the
reds -- and in most of Europe, "Communists and reds" is becoming
synonymous with non-Europeans. Usually Communist gatherings consist
almost entirely of non-European people, with a smattering of a Jew or
two here and there. In Russia it's different -- that's what's kind of
amazing; in Russia the old-line Communist party has become a right-wing
nationalist party. It's kind of crazy; it goes against anything you've
ever thought of before. In Barcelona the Communists came out and
attacked the bookstore and the meeting hall behind it where I had my
speech. The Communists brought bats, and there were about 30 or 40 of
them. Our people mixed it up with them and protected the meeting and
protected me and Pedro Varela, who is the head of the organization
there. Everything came out great. We had a little pause in the meeting,
but the meeting went on.
KAS: Now you have a special connection to Ukraine. Can you tell us something about the developments in Ukraine at this time?
DD: It's one of those complicated issues. I've seen a lot of
material on our Web sites and on Internet news sites about how the new
President, Yushchenko, is really an agent of the Zionists and so forth,
and is genuflecting before them -- for instance, at an Auschwitz
ceremony and this type of thing. But it's really not quite that simple.
There were lots of Zionists backing the former President. And there
was a lot of old "anti-Russian" (but really anti-Communist,
anti-Bolshevik) feeling in Ukraine. The western part of Ukraine, for
instance, offered a lot of resistance to the Bolsheviks in the Second
World War. This is where most of the famines and the attacks took place
in that country. So they didn't want to support the old President. You
had people who were anti-Zionist and pro-European on both sides of that
KAS: Well, from our point of view over here, we saw people
like [Jewish financier] George Soros and American-funded political
action groups backed by the Jewish supremacists all behind
DD: They were, but I can tell you also that there were many
Jewish organizations -- and I've seen them and I've seen articles on
this -- who were supporting the other side as well, who were supporting
the old regime. So again it's not quite as clear as you might think
that it is. All I know is that a lot of people now are moving toward
new political parties in Ukraine. And I think that's the good thing
about it: One good thing about this election is that it opened up the
political process in Ukraine. And now you have many different factions.
It was kind of a one-party operation before. That stifled a lot of
dissent and stifled some of the people who talk about the issues that
we think are important. And now you have a whole bunch of new parties
that are coming on the scene.
KAS: Is the level of awareness of the Jewish problem as high in Ukraine as it is in Russia?
DD: I think it's as high or higher. And I hope that the
listeners to your program understand that the awareness in Eastern
Europe of the Jewish problem is much higher than in any other area of
the European world -- no question in my mind.
KAS: Can you tell us something about that letter, signed by 5,000 activists in Russia, protesting against Jewish power? [ http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4861 ] [ http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4548 ]
DD: That letter was an outgrowth of the earlier letter of
500 top intellectuals, editors, writers, producers, entertainers, and
so forth in Russia. The first letter, interestingly enough, is
something that's tied to me to a great extent. The man who wrote the
introduction to the Russian edition of Jewish Supremacism is a
gentleman by the name of Boris Mironov. Mironov was the Press Secretary
-- a pretty high position -- to [former Russian President] Boris
Yeltsin. And Mironov resigned his position because he felt Yeltsin was
selling out his country to these Zionist gangsters and these other
Jewish criminals. So he wrote the introduction to my book Jewish Supremacism -- and the government currently has him under charges, under these old
so-called "hate laws," which are laws, of course, against freedom of
speech, against anyone who dares to criticize Jewish supremacists.
The Jewish Board of Deputies and others tried to suppress my book.
They tried to get the Russian Prosecutor General to rule that my book
was "anti-Semitic," have my book banned, and prosecute me for "hate
crimes." But, after a year, the Russian Prosecutor General examined my
book and made an official ruling that my book was not "anti-Semitic."
It was, he said, simply a presentation of the historical facts and the
issues surrounding Jewish extremism.
KAS: How enlightened they are!
DD: Amazing, isn't it? Can you imagine the government in this country ruling that my book was simply factual? (laughter)
KAS: Every day, David, it is looking more and more like the
Jewish supremacists are inching us closer to war with Iran: from the
dark hints about "Weapons of Mass Destruction" to spy plane overflights
to the propaganda campaign they're building to fool the American
people. How do your contacts in Europe see this situation, and how do
you see it?
DD: Most of my contacts believe that the foreign policy of
the United States is totally run by Jewish supremacists. And, really,
by crazy and wacky Jewish supremacists, who have no understanding of
the world -- and who, through their hatreds and through their absolute
intolerance and inability to control themselves or to act in a measured
way, may very well launch this war with Iran.
And I think that if this war comes -- and I have many friends who
feel the same way -- it could very well undo Jewish power in the West.
America can't even handle the Iraq war. A war with Iran would be a
factor of 100 times worse in terms of casualties, problems, costs, and
fallout in the world.
KAS: Both Russia and China have huge investments in Iran;
Russia even has nuclear power assistance agreements with them. And both
Iran and Russia have been opposed to the Jewish plan to destabilize and
"remake" the Middle East. How do you see Vladimir Putin and
nuclear-armed Russia in all of this, if the war does come?
DD: That's the big question, and I don't think I've got a
perfect answer for you on Vladimir Putin. But I can tell you this: I
don't know of any other leader in the world that would fight the leader
of the Jewish community in Russia, Gusinsky -- who was also, by the
way, an organized criminal and a murderer -- and [Jewish billionaire
oligarchs] Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky. I think that Putin is trying to
do what he can, but he's trying to be very clever. He's trying to take
an approach similar to what Stalin took...
KAS: Hasn't Putin made conciliatory gestures to Israel
recently? Hasn't he even taken Bush's advice and started putting
pressure on Iran to be "more open" about its nuclear program? Is he
weakening? Is he being drawn into the neocon-Jewish supremacist orbit?
DD: Maybe he is. We don't know. But that's really not
different from what he's been doing all along: He would prosecute
Gusinsky, and then he'd go visit a synagogue. You see? The Russians can
be very devious people. They had a huge Jewish population for many,
many centuries. They've learned to kind of put on a different face. And
don't forget that Putin is also an old KGB man. He's a man who believes
in sleight of hand, the Secret Service kind of approach. So what he
does is kind of like what Stalin used to say: "Words and deeds have no
relationship." You can say and do "nice things" -- but then do certain
things which are the opposite. As long as you put the right face on it,
you're not going to get as much heat. And I think that's the principle
Putin's operating under now.
KAS: You did tell me before the program that he had snubbed Israel to some extent during his recent visit there.
DD: That's right. Most of the presidents and leaders that
come to Israel are brought to the "Wailing Wall," which is like their
altar to Israel and Jewish supremacism, effectively. And the leaders
are forced to put on the Jewish yarmulke and to genuflect to Jewish
supremacist power -- Bush has done it; just about all the major leaders
of Europe have done it at one time or another. Well, when Putin went to
Israel the other day, they wanted him to go to the "Wailing Wall." But
he found that he had a "scheduling problem," a time problem. And it was
reported in some of the Russian press that Putin did not want to put on
a yarmulke. (laughter) That's really very interesting, isn't it?
KAS: Very interesting.
DD: That's really an amazing development. And Putin said
when he was in Israel -- and he shows a lot more guts than our
President does most of the time -- that he was going to continue his
missile sales to Syria.
KAS: David, are there going to be any big announcements or surprises for us at the New Orleans conference this year?
DD: We expect some very big surprises with some very amazing
people who are going to come, whom we haven't announced previously. I
think people are going to find this fantastic. As I said, Nick
Griffin's coming. And we've got some other surprises in store. This is
going to be an amazing conference, and I'm so looking forward to seeing
you again -- and seeing so many patriots and friends from all over the
United States and really all over the world. We've got many people
coming over from England, from France, Germany, Sweden, Italy -- all
over. It's just going to be amazing.
KAS: I'm really looking forward to being there.
We have seen this push for this expanded war in the Middle East;
we've seen the accession to power of the neocons under Bush; now we've
even seen the elevation of Jewish supremacist Michael Chertoff to be
the head of Homeland Security. And meanwhile the invasion coming across
our southern border accelerates every day, cheered on by both major
political parties. These seem to be ominous times for racially aware
White people. We are growing. But is the growth fast enough to build a
serious resistance to our dispossession and genocide?
DD: I don't know if it is fast enough on the organizational
level. It definitely needs to be faster. But I can tell you this: In
terms of an awakening or an awareness level -- that's increasing at an
incredible pace all over the world. It's just amazing the amount of
awareness of the Jewish problem all over the world -- the fundamentals
of it. That's one thing that Jewish Supremacism does: A lot of
people think "Well, Zionists are bad and Jewish Communists are bad...
but Jewish religionists are good." But the truth is that the Jewish
religion is a supremacist religion. And the Jewish religion and the
Jewish racial extremism that's in that religion is the source of many
of these other phenomena.
We have to have a clear understanding of these things. And that is
increasing all over the world. And I think it's going to accelerate
over the next few years.
KAS: Where should we, as racially conscious White people, be concentrating our energies to be as effective as we can be?
DD: I think it should be primarily in raising this
awareness, at this point. And that awareness can be reached in many
ways: It can be reached on the Internet; it can be reached with
leaflets; it can be reached by talking to your friends. If each one of
us goes out and recruits one other person, we eventually have the
world. Such are the dynamics of an evangelical-style crusade for our
people. I think that we need that kind of feeling. I think that that is
how we are going to make this revolution.
With modern technology the way it is, with what's going on with
massive big government and its massive numbers of agents, with 9/11 and
all the rest of it, the only possible path to power, path to victory,
is going to be a legal path. Those who choose to be violent at this
time will not only find themselves locked up in prison for the rest of
their lives and harm our movement in a sense, but they will also harm
our quest to wake up our people. We need an absolute zero tolerance for
People ask "How is this revolution going to come?" I think it's
going to come much like you saw the revolutions in Eastern Europe come:
with a massive consensus. I think we're going to wake up one morning
and the world will have a completely different idea. There'll be
millions of people who won't show up for work and will fill the streets
of their cities and demand change. And there will be a huge change,
KAS: Many years ago you used a phrase that I still use
occasionally. And that is: "We need to bring the truth to victory." And
I think when you talk about that revolution in our people's hearts and
minds -- waking up one morning and everything looks different -- that
is bringing the truth to victory.
DD: I think so. And -- I always use this analogy, and I'll
use it, I'm sure, at the conference five or six times -- in the first
few centuries after Christ, Islam came on the scene. Mohammed came up
with a philosophy that kind of fit the Arab mentality. It was an answer
to some of the problems that they had: the tremendous infighting, the
tribal struggles, a lot of the moral and other issues they were facing.
And Islam just fit their racial soul, their spirit. And it swept their
people, from Spain to Pakistan and India, in a generation -- in a time
with no modern communication, with no telephone or telegraph, no
computers or Internet, no tape recorders, no television, we could go on
KAS: No postal service, even...
DD: Exactly. Yet it spread. And I think today things are
speeding up in a sense. And I think when the awakening really hits
Europe, in just a few years, perhaps less than a decade, everything
will change. When you mention the Jewish problem, everyone you meet
will just say "Of course. What are we going to do about it today?"
(laughter) Do you see what I'm saying? That's what you already hear a
lot in Eastern Europe. You bring up the Jewish question and they say
"Of course; we all know that." And that's a good place to start in
terms of organizing and politics, let me tell you.
KAS: David, I look forward to being with you again in New
Orleans this year. And I thank you for devoting your life and your
considerable talents to the renaissance of our people. I thank you for
all the sacrifices you've made. And I thank you for being a guest once
again on American Dissident Voices.
DD: Let me tell you, I'm thankful for you guys and all the
good work that you've done. And I'm thankful that I could make such
sacrifices -- I'm honored to do so. And it's been a great joy for me to
fight and to live and to struggle and to speak for our people. It's
given my life meaning. And I'm just thankful that, every day when I get
up, I'm alive and breathing one more day that I can struggle for these
Our ideals are the most beautiful in the history of the world.
We're talking about a higher people, a higher destiny, and freedom.
We're talking about everything that's really valuable and important in
life. And that's really what the struggle is all about.
KAS: Thank you very much David, and I'll see you in New Orleans.
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