Standing Her Ground
Here we see our guest April Gaede with her youngest daughter
Dresden. April is also the mother of 12-year-old twins Lynx and Lamb,
the popular pro-White recording artists whose band, Prussian Blue, is creating a worldwide sensation.
The second half of the 'banned' interview with April Gaede.
American Dissident Voices broadcast
week of April 19, 2005
by Kevin Alfred Strom
ON THIS WEEK'S program we'll continue our interview with
outstanding National Alliance activist April Gaede, who'll be telling
us about her impressive acts of pro-White advocacy and community
building in central California, and the ideals that inspire her work
for her people.
But first I want to explain why this program didn't appear on the
natvan and natall sites. As you know, this program is produced by the
National Alliance, an organization with which I've been affiliated
since I began working with Dr. William Pierce in 1982.
The National Alliance Executive Committee and I, along with several leading Alliance activists and Unit
Coordinators, have been working for several days to solve some very
serious problems at the Alliance's National Office, and, after the
interview with April, I'll update you on what we're doing.
April, I understand that you personally have been out
on the streets protesting against illegal immigration -- and not just
protesting, but protesting when you were pregnant with your baby girl.
Yes. Last year the Mexicans in California --
the legal Mexicans -- were upset because Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger
took back the driver's licenses that had been issued to illegal aliens.
So, in order to protest that, they decided that they would have a
boycott. They chose a particular day and declared that, on that day,
they weren't going to buy anything -- and they were going to "shut down
the state of California" economically. It was kind of funny, because
actually it backfired on them.
What ended up happening was this: Everybody else just went on about
their business, but the Mexican-owned businesses shut down. So they
lost a day's worth of business. And the Mexicans inconvenienced
themselves greatly. And the majority-Mestizo schools ended up having
most of those Mestizos not show up for class. So they lost a great deal
of money from the state, and that hurt their schools. And so, all in
all, it ended up not being a very good thing for them.
It seems to me that they proved that we can get along without them just fine.
It was really funny. So, on that day I decided I was
going to go down and let everyone know that I was paying attention and
that I thought it was pretty ridiculous. So I made a sign that said
'DEPORT ILLEGALS' -- and it didn't say 'Illegal Mestizos' or illegal
Icelanders or Germans. It just said 'DEPORT ILLEGALS.' And I went and
stood holding the sign beside a very busy street during rush hour
It was very interesting. I had some threats. I had some young
Mestizos drive by and threaten me. But I had some backup there. I
wasn't completely by myself, even though I appeared to be. I had some
Well, nevertheless, you were standing up for the truth
and standing up for what's right against some pretty hostile people --
and there you are in the later stages of pregnancy, a White woman
standing up in that situation, taking the risk. I ask: Where were all
the White men -- where were they?
Well, I guess they were at work, trying to earn money to pay taxes so they can support these Mexicans.
When George Bush came to town and my daughters and I were out
holding a 'STOP IMMIGRATION' sign, a Mexican man came up to me and said
"Where's your husband? How come he isn't out here with you, holding up
this sign?" And I said "Because he's at work -- because he has to pay
taxes to support all the Mexicans who are on welfare."
Not only are they on welfare, but they're getting free hospital care and lots of other social services besides.
And I thought this was very funny -- I get a lot of
criticism sometimes for having my kids go do activism with me, and hand
out flyers and hold up signs -- but it's interesting to note that the
Mexicans are always having these marches and they have even very tiny
children wave UFW [United Farm Workers] flags or hold picket signs all
the time. And they think that that's just fine. But it's not OK for my
children to hold a sign that says 'STOP IMMIGRATION.'
You told me, before the show began, that the night before your baby was born you were out doing activism. What were you doing?
We were distributing flyers. And I think we distributed about a thousand that night.
So, you're going from home to home distributing flyers the day before your baby was born
Well, I didn't know she was going to be born the next day....
Well, surely you knew it would be pretty soon!
(laughter) Well, it was a couple days before my due
date.... About the only difficulty I had, considering my belly was so
big, was where I was going to put the stack of flyers.
(laughter) April, you're also very involved in writing
letters to the editor and participating in local talk radio. Can you
tell me what your strategy is in doing that?
I believe that -- especially with letters to the editor
-- if people read some of my innovative ideas and can see in my words
some of the things that they've been thinking but maybe are afraid to
say; if people see that in the paper, in print, it legitimizes that
thought. They'll think, "Shoot, that gal's right on; I agree with her
about that." And in fact I've had quite a few people search me out and
contact me and say "I just love your letters to the editor. They're
great. And we agree with you."
And I am hoping, through the letters that I write, to encourage
more people to think racially. I do the same thing through talk radio.
Just the day before yesterday, I was on a local call-in show, and I was
talking about why conservatives can't win.
That's a topic that Dr. Pierce touched upon many years ago.
Right. And I actually quoted Dr. Pierce, and I used his
article as the basis for my ideas. The gentleman who was the host that
day -- he's on the local school board and is a church activist and
youth leader -- was saying that his group had had a demonstration and
some homosexuals had tried to attack them violently.
Well, not only are you influencing the people who hear
you or the people who read the letters, but through meeting and talking
with those who seek you out afterwards, you're actually building a
network of friendly people. These are people who can see that we are
normal people; we're not the freaks that the controlled media describe
us as. And they can see that we have ideas worthy of consideration.
Yes. And in the next couple of years I might even
consider running for the school board or another local lower-level
political position, not necessarily to win, though that would be great,
but to have a forum, to be able to discuss a lot of these situations
and problems that we're facing. And, if I'm running for school board,
they have to give me equal time to speak.
Indeed. It's hard to shut up a politician. But the
interesting thing is that you've been successful even without that kind
of platform. You've been able to write pithy, interesting letters and
get them printed -- and say interesting things on talk radio,
interesting enough so that they don't cut you off instantly. These
editors and producers -- even though they're told they have to be
hostile to us, even though they have to toe a certain line when it
comes to race and the Jews and Israel -- still need to fill the airtime
and still need to fill that editorial page space with stuff that's
going to keep people listening and reading. You provide that -- and
they let you speak.
Yes, that's right. I'm just going to keep on doing it.
Every once in a while I send two or three letters off, and later my
husband will say "Hey, look. They published another one of your
letters." And I have a couple friends who call and say "I don't believe
that they published that letter. It's just unbelievable. You'd think
that they would never publish something like that."
You just keep doing it. You do it over and over again.
You do it well and skillfully. I think that should inspire other people
who are now so intimidated that they think no one would ever print
anything we say. That should inspire people to just get out there and
It's actually very fun. And once you get to seeing your name in print, it kind of becomes addictive.
Now California, compared to most other states, is
pretty far gone racially. I believe Whites are now a minority in that
state. Do you believe, from what you see, that the thinking of White
people is going to change in time to make a difference; to save White
You know, I go back and forth on that. But I'll tell you
one thing: You almost never meet a White person these days who would
disagree with you if you said that immigration was a problem. If you
talk about the problem of immigration from Mexico, and the illegal
aliens and so on and so forth, you'd be very hard pressed to find a
White person here in Bakersfield who would disagree with you. Even the
liberals are starting to see it now. It's getting so overwhelmingly
The Mestizos are working now, and because there are so many of them
who don't speak English, they have to hire other Mestizos who are
bilingual, and a lot of the time the qualifications that these people
have are poor. They're not very well educated -- their only
qualification is that they're bilingual. So a lot of the time there are
people working in jobs in social services or in governmental positions
who are really very incompetent people with a very low IQ -- but
they're bilingual, so they get the job. And it's just a constant
frustration to those of us who are native Californian White people, who
don't speak Spanish and also have a hard time even understanding these
Mestizos when they speak English because they have such a heavy accent.
And Whites are getting really frustrated. Every day you'll hear
people make comments -- standing in the line at the grocery store or
pumping gas. People are just getting really sick and tired of it. And
even on the local talk shows, they're talking about these things. Today
I heard a discussion about immigration and the Minutemen -- people were
saying how great they thought the Minutemen were. The callers wanted to
put armed guards on the border -- one man even said "let's build a
giant roach motel on the border."
So you are seeing a change in the viewpoints that are
expressed. Even liberals are fed up with the immigration situation. So
we have a potential for a huge rising, for a huge change, if only we
can reach these people. I think the best way we can do that is by
increasing our new media outreach. But we also need people on the
ground, on the streets, in those communities, networking with these
people, talking to them, showing our faces in public, and showing them
that there are people out there who care. There are people out there
who care about being White and about the next generation of White
I totally agree. And even my daughters do activism with
the people that they meet. They make little comments here and there --
and they make statements -- and they don't mince around. They make sure
that everybody knows that they are very proud of being White.
They've even done some talk radio debates, haven't they?
Yes, Lamb did one with a local talk show host, Inga
Barks, last year. It was kind of funny. I wasn't even home when she did
it. She did it by herself -- she wasn't being coached. If you listen to
it, it's pretty funny -- she caught Inga in a real quandary a couple of
times. Inga was just using the typical statements, and Lamb had heard
me debate so many times that she could see where the flaws were in
Inga's ideas. So I think Lamb really won the debate.
Very impressive. How did you influence your children
racially? I know that sometimes when you are teaching a child
something, if you come on too strong, the child can rebel against that.
You've obviously been successful. It must have been something you
planned. How did you do that? -- and also, how does that compare to the
way that you were raised as a child?
First of all, I'll start with how I was raised. I was
raised in a racially conscious household, but it was more of an
"instinctual racism" and it was kind of matter of fact. My father would
say: "April, we don't mix. Be proud of being White." He would talk a
lot about genealogy and our ancestry -- about our family in Germany;
and my mom would talk about coming from England.
But I didn't get a lot of scientific facts to back up the racial
teaching at home. So when I went to school, and I was being hit with
all this multiculturalism, and was being told that racialism is "wrong"
and "evil" I started to kind of question what my parents had taught me
-- until I started experiencing things in the real world: then I saw
that my parents were correct.
Now with my children, I want to help them so they don't have to go
through that period when they question whether racialism is correct or
not. I know that to some extent they're going to question what Mom
teaches them, and I want them to do that. But I also want them to have
logical answers. So one of the things that I have done, that's
different from what my parents did, is that I have given them more
scientific facts about the differences between the races, and I have
also tried to influence them more culturally: for instance, Scottish
dancing lessons, or teaching them some German songs, or really
emphasizing our European heritage and European ancestry. I'm hoping
that that will help them to realize that it is not a hateful thing to
want to be racial, to want to be with other White people and have White
children -- that it's actually a logical thing to do and a very natural
thing to do.
Creating a new White generation is the purpose of our
lives -- and, if we do our job right, it will be a better White
generation than ours.
Yes, exactly. I think the idea for all life, and the purpose for all life, is to reproduce and to make more like yourself
And even improve upon yourself. That's why it's so important to choose
a good mate. I've tried to influence my daughters that way. My father
did the same thing when I was growing up. He'd say "There's a handsome
good-looking German-looking boy..." And I do the same thing with my
daughters. And I've noticed, in their choices of the boys that they
have little crushes on at school, that's exactly what they choose.
Getting back to your outreach in the local community:
You told me before the show how you met an Iraq War veteran. It was a
very poignant story. This man had lost his job to illegal immigrants.
Could you tell our listeners that story?
A couple of weeks ago, my daughters were in a choir
rehearsal, and I was outside because my baby girl Dresden would just
not be quiet -- she wanted to sing along, too, and she was being kind
of distracting. So I decided to take her outside and get some fresh
air. And there was a young man outside in his early twenties who also
had a baby who wasn't much older than Dresden. He was holding her, and
we got to talking. And I came to find out that he was not only a war
veteran returned from Iraq, who had come back after finishing his four
years, but that he had had to re-enlist because he couldn't find a job
locally. He had searched and searched and he just could not find a job.
He had been trying to find a job in construction, but it's almost
impossible now because all the Mestizos have taken these jobs, and
they're working for minimum wage, or even less than minimum wage under
the table. So, for a White man to get a job in construction, or job
doing yard work -- or anything pretty much -- is almost impossible. And
he wasn't bilingual.
So he couldn't get a job, and had to re-enlist, and was headed back
to Iraq. And it just tore my heart out, because I was thinking about
that poor little girl -- what if he doesn't come back
not going to remember him because she's too young. If he doesn't come
back, she won't have a Daddy. His wife won't have a husband. Think of
all the little brothers and sisters who wouldn't be born if he doesn't
And I almost started crying. But I didn't want to say anything
negative to him about going over there, about how I didn't believe that
it was a just or a righteous war. He had re-enlisted and had set a date
when he was going to go back. All I could do was think about it and
wish him the best.
That moment, that experience just encapsulates the
tragedy of what Jewish supremacism has done to this country. They've
opened the borders; they've taken away these really well-paying jobs
which once allowed White workers and craftsmen to actually support a
family; they've thrown this man into the gutter; and then they've made
becoming cannon fodder in a war for Israel essentially his only choice
-- which means he may never see his wife and child again. That is so
sick and so sad.
One of things that really makes me angry is when some
people say that the Mestizos "do the work that the White people won't
do" -- and that they're "cheap labor." Well, you know, they're not
cheap labor, and I'll tell you why they're not: When a farmer is paying
-- or a construction foreman is paying -- these Mexicans to work for
minimum wage or even lower than minimum wage under the table, the
farmer or the foreman may be getting a good deal, but the taxpayers are
also having to support this guy's wife Maria and her six kids who are
probably getting WIC and food stamps and welfare, and also we're having
to pay for it in our schools. They're bringing our school quality down.
We have to spend so much money to teach these kids to speak English
that we can't have any special sports teams or an orchestra or music
And free medical care. We pay for that....
Yes, medical care. Then you also have to consider the
cost of putting them in the prisons, because in California the vast
majority of the prisoners are Mestizo -- and the majority of those are
actually illegal aliens.
An increased law enforcement budget...
Yes, and increased gang activity.
And all of that is really nothing in comparison to
losing our children to multiracialism, to losing them to racial mixing,
to losing our whole future -- that's the biggest price we pay.
Yes it is. And sometimes, just driving around town,
going to the grocery store and different things, I'll find myself
counting the White people I see that day. Because so few of the people
I see are White, I can actually keep track of them by counting them.
That's why I like to go to events like Renaissance fairs -- or the
recent Scottish Highland Games. Things like that tend to be almost
totally White. If not totally, White then usually 95% White.
We were at the Scottish games this weekend and we sold books. We
mostly sold history books, and it was very interesting to listen to the
comments we received. We were probably the only booksellers there. We
had a lot of intellectual and really thoughtful people come up to our
book stand and buy some books and make comments. We found quite a few
people who were interested in racial ideas and White nationalism. We
were able to make quite a few great contacts!
Excellent. In an age of Jewish supremacism, April -- in
an age of censorship and smears in the alien-controlled media -- in an
age of crooked politicians who owe their jobs to the Jewish
supremacists -- going public on behalf of White folks has real
consequences. You must have courage to do what you've done; that's
obvious. But can you give us a little insight into why you decided to
take that risk?
I feel like I have no choice. It's not easy being a
White nationalist, as I guess you know. You face a lot of prejudice.
You face a lot of intolerance from other people for your beliefs and
for your ideas -- sometimes to the point where others become rude or
even violent. I've had threats made against my life and I've had
threats made against even my children's lives. And so it's not an easy
thing. Being a White nationalist isn't something that people choose
just because they think, "Gee, that would be fun..."
It's something that they are very much compelled to be.
And I feel that if I don't do something now, then my grandchildren and
my great-grandchildren -- and the children far down the chain that I'll
never meet -- will really have a hard time if we don't do something to
change the flow of the way things are going right now.
And so, even if I am making life a little bit more difficult for
myself and for Lynx and Lamb and Dresden, I know that I have to do
that. Because if I don't, then their children are going to have an even
harder time -- and their children's children. And when those children
look back -- and if they are having a difficult time because of what's
happening -- I want them to be able to say "Well, Grandma was fighting
this; she was trying to do something about this way back then."
April, I know we've only been able to tell part of your
story on this radio program. Is there anything you'd like to add before
we close now?
I really feel that as long as we keep speaking the
truth, and we are careful to keep doing the honorable thing and the
right thing and the correct thing for our race, that eventually we will
succeed. And we will be able to have a great future.
Thank you, April, for all that you've done. I think
that the part of your story we've been able to tell is enough to show
that you're an excellent role model for White women and in fact for all
White people. Everyone can see that. You do the work of an entire
National Alliance Unit all by yourself sometimes, I think.
I thank you not only for the work you do for the Cause: I also
thank you for what you have inspired in others. And I thank you for
being a guest on American Dissident Voices
LITERALLY HUNDREDS of people have called or written me to ask if it
was true that April Gaede and I had been expelled from the National
Alliance. The answer is yes -- and no.
First let me explain the "yes" -- not only have April and myself
been told by current board members Erich Gliebe and Shaun Walker that
we are 'expelled,' but the Western States Regional Coordinator of the
Alliance, Roger Williams, has also been purged. Both April and Roger
have sacrificed and worked for years for the good of their people --
and their only supposed offense was wanting to ask some questions.
And that's not all: Just a few weeks before, one of the Alliance's
most generous and hard-working activists was expelled and had his
character assassinated merely because, again, he had asked some
challenging questions of Alliance leadership. Just last night two
tireless activists in California, Drahomir Stojkovic, who is the
Coordinator of the Alliance's Sacramento Unit, and his wife, were also
purged. Their crime: asking for some structural changes in the
Alliance's board. And there have been dozens of such expulsions in just
the last few days.
Now I'll explain the "no." Neither April nor Drahomir nor myself
nor many others accept these rogue actions as legitimate, and virtually
every Unit in the National Alliance has joined together to set things
Members have been questioning the serious lack of judgment and
responsibility exhibited by the current Alliance executives. Members
have been questioning the embarrassingly bad printed materials issued
by the National Office, the character assassination and bad treatment
of totally innocent people, the misallocation of resources, the
lowering of the moral tone of the Alliance, and the endless intrigues
and deceptions. And I know that these members have questioned these
things only out of true dedication to the Alliance and to the Cause of
racial survival and progress. They do not deserve expulsion and
By ousting the best and most moral and idealistic members of the
Alliance, these rogue executives are trampling on the legacy of William
Pierce, and are in effect expelling the true National Alliance from the legal entity called the National Alliance
There is a declaration of intent, being circulated and signed as I
speak, to save the organization -- and the legacy of William Pierce to
his people -- and all National Alliance members are encouraged to add
their names. If you are a National Alliance member, please communicate
with Drahomir Stojkovic at the following email address
You'll be promptly sent further details.
The members of the National Alliance Executive Committee
have been aware of the problems in Hillsboro for quite some time -- in
fact, that is why the Committee was formed. We foresaw the possibility
of mass and unjust expulsions, and that's why we included the provision
that "Committee members may be removed only upon a majority vote of the
Committee itself.... Loss of membership in the National Alliance does
not result in automatic removal from the Executive Committee
." That means that Roger Williams and I remain as members of the National Alliance Executive Committee
When I received the voice mail expelling me and making absurd
allegations that I was "engaging in anti-National Alliance activity" on
Saturday, at first I thought "what a sad and pathetic way to end 23
years of work for the Alliance."
But then I thought again: This is not the end. The National
Alliance will continue, even if it has to totally reform the Hillsboro
office, or become reborn. My work, and the work of the thousands of
others, and the advancement of our sacred Cause will continue either
I am committed to carry on my part in our mission. If you believe
that my work for our people has been effective, I need your support and
solidarity. For the time being, you may write to me via email at the
'send me mail' link at http://www.kevin-strom.com/
, or via postal mail at P.O. Box 5145, Charlottesville VA 22905.
Thank you for listening, and remember to keep on thinking free.