Taking Responsibility, part 2
American Dissident Voices broadcast
September 25, 2004
by Kevin Alfred Strom
Today we continue our interview with Mr. Erich Gliebe, the
Chairman of the National Alliance. We will look at Mr. Gliebe's
role in the building and evolution of Resistance Records, the
severe tests and challenges the National Alliance faced after the
untimely death of Dr. Pierce, the tremendous moment of decision
when Mr. Gliebe accepted his new leadership role, and the
importance of the National Alliance for the future of our race.
We'll begin the interview where we left off last week, with a
discussion of Mr. Gliebe's role as long-time leader of the
Cleveland Unit of the National Alliance.
KAS: Now the Cleveland Unit has had quite a record of
uninterrupted monthly meetings. Can you tell us a little bit
EG: Yes, the Cleveland Unit has had 160 consecutive monthly
KAS: Besides meetings and speeches, what do you do in that Unit?
EG: We promote events. We're probably most noted for initiating
the [www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1170] European
Cultural Festivals that are now being promoted by other National
Alliance Local Units.
KAS: Yes, there have been several of those just in the last year.
EG: Yes. We began promoting those back in 1996. Of course, I had
a bit of a background in European culture, having been brought up
in a European type of environment (see [natvan.com/adv/2004/09-18-04.html] last week's program for
details -- Ed.). I joined a German folk dance group back in the
1980s -- and it was a lot of fun.
KAS: It's a good way to meet girls, I suppose... (laughter)
EG: Oh, absolutely -- especially dancing, because there are
always two or three girls to every guy, and with odds like that
how can you go wrong?
KAS: (laughter) Right...
EG: When I joined the group, I was a bit skeptical about it at
first, but once I started performing these folk dances at
festivals with my German group along with other European cultural
groups, I realized what a wonderful experience that was. We
traveled around the country, and in 1994 our group toured Europe.
We toured and performed in Germany, Austria, and Slovenia.
Probably the highlight of the trip was when we were in the town
of Villach, Austria. We were marching in a parade with other
European cultural groups. We were the only American group. There
were hundreds of us marching -- all young people, all dressed in
traditional European costumes -- and there were thousands of
people lining the streets, watching, including the president of
Austria. I felt at that moment like I was marching at a Nuremberg
rally. The atmosphere was absolutely electric -- just a wonderful
KAS: It's a clean, wholesome, and beautiful feeling when White
people gather to express their inner souls, I think...
EG: Definitely. And since I realized that most White Americans
didn't have the opportunity I had of being raised in a European
cultural environment, I thought it would be good to share the
experiences I've had with others by promoting these festivals. I
thought that promoting European Cultural Festivals would be a
great way of introducing young White Americans to traditional
European culture. And it was a success from day one. The very
first festival I held, I had a German dance group, an Irish dance
group, and a Polish dance group perform. And practically none of
the young people in attendance had ever witnessed anything like
that before. And they absolutely loved it. It was a wonderful
festive atmosphere -- and pure White culture.
KAS: It's a way to expose them to White culture, to White values,
to the feeling of being together with other Whites -- without
necessarily being political.
EG: Absolutely. At our [www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=3056] Cultural Festivals
we do not put out any political literature at all -- no flyers,
no pamphlets, no books at all. But everyone knows why we're
there: We're there to celebrate our own heritage. And it's a
KAS: Now let's get back to some of the other things you've done
with Resistance Records. Resistance Records began, before it was
purchased by Dr. Pierce, as a pro-White music company which
concentrated mainly in one genre, isn't that correct?
EG: Yes, George Burdi had founded the company back in 1993. It
was primarily a music company that catered to the skinhead
subculture. And I realized that we really needed to cater to all
groups of young White people. We needed [resistance.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=32&osCsid=276cb200f97528486086b8023f1c73ea
] more than just one genre of music. Now we've expanded into
National Socialist black metal, we've expanded into folk music,
country music, and we are continuing to grow in the types of
music we carry. We've put out folkish metal, neoclassical rock
music -- it's endless. The options we have are totally open and
there are so many ways we can go with this. And we're reaching so
many young people today; it's incredible.
KAS: The really powerful thing about Resistance -- and about a
lot of the things the Alliance is doing -- is that there are
creative people out there, musicians, poets, writers, artists,
looking for an outlet. We have a whole subculture... and it's
really more than a subculture; it's really our culture being born
again. And we are giving those creative people the ability to do
what they do for a large audience.
EG: Yes, absolutely. We're giving people the avenue to express
themselves, artistically and culturally, and in every other way.
KAS: Now, Erich, your role with Resistance is one of long
standing; your role with the Cleveland Unit and with the Alliance
in general is of even longer standing. But your role certainly
changed in July 2002. I remember your telephone call on July 10th
of that year, and your telling me that Dr. Pierce was seriously
ill and in the hospital. The next day, I met him and you in his
room there. Can you tell me just a little bit of what happened
over the next two weeks?
EG: That was a very sad day, July 10th. On July 9th, Dr. Pierce
had called me and asked me to come down to the hospital he was
in, in Beckley, West Virginia. And I needed to get there
immediately. So I drove all night, and actually drove through a
thunderstorm to get there -- which I thought was a bad omen at
the time. I arrived there in the wee hours of the morning, went
into Dr. Pierce's room, and he came right out and told me that he
thought he probably had less than a month to live. It was a very
sad moment. There were actually tears coming down his cheek. It
was a very difficult time. Dr. Pierce was 68 years old at that
time, but he was in phenomenal shape; he lived a very clean life.
KAS: He was very vigorous.
EG: Yes, absolutely. And no one had seen this coming. In fact,
when he initially went into the hospital, he thought he had
kidney stones. He just had some abdominal pain. But he actually
had probably the most aggressive form of cancer. He was literally
being eaten alive. And Dr. Pierce made the conscientious choice
not to undergo chemo or radiation treatments, because he thought
they would impair his mental abilities. He decided to ride it out
for as long as he could without treatment, so his mind would
remain unimpaired, so he could set forth a strategy to ensure
that the Alliance would not only continue to survive, but prosper
in the future, beyond his own life.
KAS: You were chosen to become the Chairman when Dr. Pierce died.
There must have been a moment, when you were offered the
Chairmanship, when you considered just how tough it was going to
be: how hard the task ahead was, how many powerful enemies would
be doing everything they could to make you fail. You surely must
have said to yourself: 'Do I really want to do this?' Can you
tell us what went through your mind at that moment?
EG: I did ask myself that question: 'Do I really want to do
this?' And I answered right away: 'Yes.' I thought I had what it
took. I knew I would do whatever I could to ensure that the
Alliance would succeed. I would never quit. I would never give
up. And I would give it my all.
I knew I could do that; speaking for myself, I was ready to
accept the challenge. Of course, our enemies -- the Jews and
'watchdog' groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center -- thought
that the National Alliance was a one-man organization, and that
once our founder passed away the Alliance would soon fizzle out.
But they were wrong. We proved them wrong.
The Alliance is not only continuing to grow, but we're more
active than ever. This speaks volumes about the National Alliance
membership itself. For years, I've been speaking with fellow
Alliance members, and many looked at Dr. Pierce as being such a
powerful figure -- somewhat of a wizard, so much so that we could
just sit back and listen to Dr. Pierce's radio broadcasts and
read his writings, and perhaps with Dr. Pierce having all the
answers, someday he could perform his magic and we would have our
own homeland and White living space and everything would be
wonderful. But in reality that wasn't the case, and Dr. Pierce
never wanted the membership to look at it that way either.
The National Alliance is not only a worldview and an ideology:
The National Alliance is its membership. And we have some
fantastic members who decided to up their work output and to give
everything they had after Dr. Pierce's unfortunate passing just
to ensure that the organization would to continue to grow and
prosper and move in the direction that our founder had intended
KAS: I think that Dr. Pierce wanted members with a sense of
responsibility -- personal responsibility -- for the future. And
you don't get there by wishing; you have to act.
EG: Yes, you have to work for it.
KAS: What challenges did the Alliance face at that moment, when
Dr. Pierce had died and you stepped up to the plate?
EG: Our enemies had been doing all they could to start a
character assassination campaign against the Alliance leadership,
myself and yourself included, they began using the Internet as a
tool to spread lies. But we overcame all that with our hard work
and with our accomplishments. And I think the future is ours.
KAS: You've been traveling all over North America for the
Alliance. What have you been doing?
EG: After Dr. Pierce's passing, I thought it would be best for me
to travel around the country, speak at different Local Unit
meetings, introduce myself to the members who hadn't met me
before, and assure them that the Alliance was indeed moving ahead
in the direction Dr. Pierce intended, and that the Alliance did
in fact have competent leadership.
KAS: I think that face-to-face contact is and was very important.
How many miles did you put on your vehicle, Erich?
EG: I couldn't even keep track.
KAS: I think David Pringle put a few dozens of thousands of miles
on his vehicle, too...
EG: Yes, he drove down from Alaska more than once, and all around
the country -- I'd hate to see how much money he spent on gas.
KAS: Erich, this question may seem obvious. But some of the
people who are listening to this program are new to our ideas,
and this is really for them: Why is the National Alliance
important? And why should White men and women join the Alliance?
EG: It's important for White men and women to join the National
Alliance because the Alliance is the leading White organization
in the world today -- by joining the National Alliance, you will
be working in unison with others for a very important impersonal
goal: the survival of our race, and ensuring that our children
have a future.
KAS: What are your goals for the National Alliance -- say, in the
EG: Right now we are trying to build up our media outreach. In
the past we've used the Internet, we've used printed
publications, we've used radio broadcasts, and right now we're
trying something new: the use of [www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=3870] public billboards.
We just had a billboard go up on a very busy [www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=3398 ] Las Vegas strip --
unfortunately, it only lasted a week, but nevertheless it gave us
KAS: Indeed. I think we win either way with those billboards. We
get publicity when they're forced down, and we get publicity
while they're up.
EG: Sure. And at this moment we have a billboard up in Salt Lake
City that has a very pro-White National Alliance message.
KAS: That one's been up for the better part of a month, hasn't
EG: Yes, it's been up for about a month -- and what I hear is
that it will continue to stay up.
EG: It's great to come across -- and do business with --
independent business owners who aren't afraid of the Jewish
pressure groups who will harass and attempt to intimidate them.
KAS: Gives you faith in White people again, doesn't it?
EG: Absolutely. And my hat's off to the owner of the billboard
company in Salt Lake City for standing up to all the pressure
that he's receiving right now.
KAS: I sort of interrupted you there. What else do you see
happening in the next ten years?
EG: We'll expand the genres of music we are carrying. And we are
planning to use video extensively. We will be moving into the
production of music videos, for instance. The future is wide open
in that field. We have some very competent video technicians in
the National Alliance, and we will be using their talents and
resources to promote mainstream-quality videos that we can hand
out to young people at concerts, at schools, wherever.
KAS: Excellent. You've told me before that in 1990 we had one
functioning Local Unit. How many functioning Local Units does the
Alliance have today?
EG: We have [ www.natall.com/phone-numbers/ ] dozens. All around
KAS: And do you see that number continuing to go up?
EG: yes, definitely. In fact, within the next few months I will
be formalizing several new Local Units including two in the state
KAS: In a recent [www.nationalvanguard.org/bsearch.php?author=Erich%20J.%20Gliebe]
editorial (and for those who don't know, you write an editorial
every month for the National Alliance member's Bulletin which we
also run on a delayed basis on nationalvanguard.org), you
encouraged members to reach out to a segment of the White
population on the left -- the progressives. That's in contrast to
the impression of a lot of people that we racialists only reach
out to conservatives. Why do you think it's important to reach
out to the progressives?
EG: For one thing, when I look at the news and I watch these [www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=2475] young demonstrators
protesting the war in Iraq or the globalization meetings, the G7
summits, I see that many of them -- perhaps even most of them --
are White kids, White college kids. They're energetic, they're
enthusiastic, they're fighting for something -- and many of them
are of very good racial stock.
KAS: And they're idealistic, too, aren't they?
EG: Yes, they're idealistic, too, absolutely...
KAS: And I think some of them can sense the rottenness of the
System that's ruling over them. They may not understand it -- but
they can see it's rotten.
EG: Right. They're upset with the system. What we need to do is
to give them a rationale for their anger. We need to point them
in the right direction and explain to them who's behind a lot of
the problems we are facing as a nation and as a people. It's
important for them to realize that the war in Iraq isn't about
oil, but was actually started to secure [www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=119] Israel's future.
KAS: I think that we have the 'pieces of the puzzle' that are
missing from both the decent rightists' and the decent leftists'
picture of the world. And we can give them those pieces so they
can see the world the way it really is. That's what Dr. Pierce
did for me.
EG: In fact, the National Alliance is not a 'right wing' or a
'left wing' organization. Many times in the past, we've been
tossed into the 'right wing' pigeonhole -- [
www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=3482] but that's not what
we are. In fact, we have many things in common with some of these
young progressives. For example, we're concerned about the
environment we live in.
KAS: Indeed. Well, Erich, we are nearing the end of the time we
have available for this program. So I want to thank you for
taking the time out of your non-stop work schedule to talk with
me on American Dissident Voices. And I also want to thank you
sincerely for taking on the mantle of authority and
responsibility of the National Alliance, in the hour of our
people's greatest crisis and deepest need. Thank you, Erich.
EG: Thank you, Kevin. You're quite welcome.