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Taking Responsibility, part 2

American Dissident Voices broadcast
September 25, 2004
by Kevin Alfred Strom


Today we continue our interview with Mr. Erich Gliebe, the Chairman of the National Alliance. We will look at Mr. Gliebe's role in the building and evolution of Resistance Records, the severe tests and challenges the National Alliance faced after the untimely death of Dr. Pierce, the tremendous moment of decision when Mr. Gliebe accepted his new leadership role, and the importance of the National Alliance for the future of our race. We'll begin the interview where we left off last week, with a discussion of Mr. Gliebe's role as long-time leader of the Cleveland Unit of the National Alliance.
KAS: Now the Cleveland Unit has had quite a record of uninterrupted monthly meetings. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
EG: Yes, the Cleveland Unit has had 160 consecutive monthly meetings.
KAS: Besides meetings and speeches, what do you do in that Unit?
EG: We promote events. We're probably most noted for initiating the [] European Cultural Festivals that are now being promoted by other National Alliance Local Units.
KAS: Yes, there have been several of those just in the last year.
EG: Yes. We began promoting those back in 1996. Of course, I had a bit of a background in European culture, having been brought up in a European type of environment (see [] last week's program for details -- Ed.). I joined a German folk dance group back in the 1980s -- and it was a lot of fun.
KAS: It's a good way to meet girls, I suppose... (laughter)
EG: Oh, absolutely -- especially dancing, because there are always two or three girls to every guy, and with odds like that how can you go wrong?
KAS: (laughter) Right...
EG: When I joined the group, I was a bit skeptical about it at first, but once I started performing these folk dances at festivals with my German group along with other European cultural groups, I realized what a wonderful experience that was. We traveled around the country, and in 1994 our group toured Europe. We toured and performed in Germany, Austria, and Slovenia.
Probably the highlight of the trip was when we were in the town of Villach, Austria. We were marching in a parade with other European cultural groups. We were the only American group. There were hundreds of us marching -- all young people, all dressed in traditional European costumes -- and there were thousands of people lining the streets, watching, including the president of Austria. I felt at that moment like I was marching at a Nuremberg rally. The atmosphere was absolutely electric -- just a wonderful feeling throughout.
KAS: It's a clean, wholesome, and beautiful feeling when White people gather to express their inner souls, I think...
EG: Definitely. And since I realized that most White Americans didn't have the opportunity I had of being raised in a European cultural environment, I thought it would be good to share the experiences I've had with others by promoting these festivals. I thought that promoting European Cultural Festivals would be a great way of introducing young White Americans to traditional European culture. And it was a success from day one. The very first festival I held, I had a German dance group, an Irish dance group, and a Polish dance group perform. And practically none of the young people in attendance had ever witnessed anything like that before. And they absolutely loved it. It was a wonderful festive atmosphere -- and pure White culture.
KAS: It's a way to expose them to White culture, to White values, to the feeling of being together with other Whites -- without necessarily being political.
EG: Absolutely. At our [] Cultural Festivals we do not put out any political literature at all -- no flyers, no pamphlets, no books at all. But everyone knows why we're there: We're there to celebrate our own heritage. And it's a wonderful thing.
KAS: Now let's get back to some of the other things you've done with Resistance Records. Resistance Records began, before it was purchased by Dr. Pierce, as a pro-White music company which concentrated mainly in one genre, isn't that correct?
EG: Yes, George Burdi had founded the company back in 1993. It was primarily a music company that catered to the skinhead subculture. And I realized that we really needed to cater to all groups of young White people. We needed [ ] more than just one genre of music. Now we've expanded into National Socialist black metal, we've expanded into folk music, country music, and we are continuing to grow in the types of music we carry. We've put out folkish metal, neoclassical rock music -- it's endless. The options we have are totally open and there are so many ways we can go with this. And we're reaching so many young people today; it's incredible.
KAS: The really powerful thing about Resistance -- and about a lot of the things the Alliance is doing -- is that there are creative people out there, musicians, poets, writers, artists, looking for an outlet. We have a whole subculture... and it's really more than a subculture; it's really our culture being born again. And we are giving those creative people the ability to do what they do for a large audience.
EG: Yes, absolutely. We're giving people the avenue to express themselves, artistically and culturally, and in every other way.
KAS: Now, Erich, your role with Resistance is one of long standing; your role with the Cleveland Unit and with the Alliance in general is of even longer standing. But your role certainly changed in July 2002. I remember your telephone call on July 10th of that year, and your telling me that Dr. Pierce was seriously ill and in the hospital. The next day, I met him and you in his room there. Can you tell me just a little bit of what happened over the next two weeks?
EG: That was a very sad day, July 10th. On July 9th, Dr. Pierce had called me and asked me to come down to the hospital he was in, in Beckley, West Virginia. And I needed to get there immediately. So I drove all night, and actually drove through a thunderstorm to get there -- which I thought was a bad omen at the time. I arrived there in the wee hours of the morning, went into Dr. Pierce's room, and he came right out and told me that he thought he probably had less than a month to live. It was a very sad moment. There were actually tears coming down his cheek. It was a very difficult time. Dr. Pierce was 68 years old at that time, but he was in phenomenal shape; he lived a very clean life.
KAS: He was very vigorous.
EG: Yes, absolutely. And no one had seen this coming. In fact, when he initially went into the hospital, he thought he had kidney stones. He just had some abdominal pain. But he actually had probably the most aggressive form of cancer. He was literally being eaten alive. And Dr. Pierce made the conscientious choice not to undergo chemo or radiation treatments, because he thought they would impair his mental abilities. He decided to ride it out for as long as he could without treatment, so his mind would remain unimpaired, so he could set forth a strategy to ensure that the Alliance would not only continue to survive, but prosper in the future, beyond his own life.
KAS: You were chosen to become the Chairman when Dr. Pierce died. There must have been a moment, when you were offered the Chairmanship, when you considered just how tough it was going to be: how hard the task ahead was, how many powerful enemies would be doing everything they could to make you fail. You surely must have said to yourself: 'Do I really want to do this?' Can you tell us what went through your mind at that moment?
EG: I did ask myself that question: 'Do I really want to do this?' And I answered right away: 'Yes.' I thought I had what it took. I knew I would do whatever I could to ensure that the Alliance would succeed. I would never quit. I would never give up. And I would give it my all.
I knew I could do that; speaking for myself, I was ready to accept the challenge. Of course, our enemies -- the Jews and 'watchdog' groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center -- thought that the National Alliance was a one-man organization, and that once our founder passed away the Alliance would soon fizzle out. But they were wrong. We proved them wrong.
The Alliance is not only continuing to grow, but we're more active than ever. This speaks volumes about the National Alliance membership itself. For years, I've been speaking with fellow Alliance members, and many looked at Dr. Pierce as being such a powerful figure -- somewhat of a wizard, so much so that we could just sit back and listen to Dr. Pierce's radio broadcasts and read his writings, and perhaps with Dr. Pierce having all the answers, someday he could perform his magic and we would have our own homeland and White living space and everything would be wonderful. But in reality that wasn't the case, and Dr. Pierce never wanted the membership to look at it that way either.
The National Alliance is not only a worldview and an ideology: The National Alliance is its membership. And we have some fantastic members who decided to up their work output and to give everything they had after Dr. Pierce's unfortunate passing just to ensure that the organization would to continue to grow and prosper and move in the direction that our founder had intended it to.
KAS: I think that Dr. Pierce wanted members with a sense of responsibility -- personal responsibility -- for the future. And you don't get there by wishing; you have to act.
EG: Yes, you have to work for it.
KAS: What challenges did the Alliance face at that moment, when Dr. Pierce had died and you stepped up to the plate?
EG: Our enemies had been doing all they could to start a character assassination campaign against the Alliance leadership, myself and yourself included, they began using the Internet as a tool to spread lies. But we overcame all that with our hard work and with our accomplishments. And I think the future is ours.
KAS: You've been traveling all over North America for the Alliance. What have you been doing?
EG: After Dr. Pierce's passing, I thought it would be best for me to travel around the country, speak at different Local Unit meetings, introduce myself to the members who hadn't met me before, and assure them that the Alliance was indeed moving ahead in the direction Dr. Pierce intended, and that the Alliance did in fact have competent leadership.
KAS: I think that face-to-face contact is and was very important. How many miles did you put on your vehicle, Erich?
EG: I couldn't even keep track.
KAS: I think David Pringle put a few dozens of thousands of miles on his vehicle, too...
EG: Yes, he drove down from Alaska more than once, and all around the country -- I'd hate to see how much money he spent on gas.
KAS: Erich, this question may seem obvious. But some of the people who are listening to this program are new to our ideas, and this is really for them: Why is the National Alliance important? And why should White men and women join the Alliance?
EG: It's important for White men and women to join the National Alliance because the Alliance is the leading White organization in the world today -- by joining the National Alliance, you will be working in unison with others for a very important impersonal goal: the survival of our race, and ensuring that our children have a future.
KAS: What are your goals for the National Alliance -- say, in the next decade?

EG: Right now we are trying to build up our media outreach. In the past we've used the Internet, we've used printed publications, we've used radio broadcasts, and right now we're trying something new: the use of [] public billboards. We just had a billboard go up on a very busy [ ] Las Vegas strip -- unfortunately, it only lasted a week, but nevertheless it gave us tremendous publicity.
KAS: Indeed. I think we win either way with those billboards. We get publicity when they're forced down, and we get publicity while they're up.
EG: Sure. And at this moment we have a billboard up in Salt Lake City that has a very pro-White National Alliance message.
KAS: That one's been up for the better part of a month, hasn't it?
EG: Yes, it's been up for about a month -- and what I hear is that it will continue to stay up.
KAS: Excellent.
EG: It's great to come across -- and do business with -- independent business owners who aren't afraid of the Jewish pressure groups who will harass and attempt to intimidate them.
KAS: Gives you faith in White people again, doesn't it?
EG: Absolutely. And my hat's off to the owner of the billboard company in Salt Lake City for standing up to all the pressure that he's receiving right now.
KAS: I sort of interrupted you there. What else do you see happening in the next ten years?
EG: We'll expand the genres of music we are carrying. And we are planning to use video extensively. We will be moving into the production of music videos, for instance. The future is wide open in that field. We have some very competent video technicians in the National Alliance, and we will be using their talents and resources to promote mainstream-quality videos that we can hand out to young people at concerts, at schools, wherever.
KAS: Excellent. You've told me before that in 1990 we had one functioning Local Unit. How many functioning Local Units does the Alliance have today?
EG: We have [ ] dozens. All around the country.
KAS: And do you see that number continuing to go up?
EG: yes, definitely. In fact, within the next few months I will be formalizing several new Local Units including two in the state of Washington.
KAS: In a recent [] editorial (and for those who don't know, you write an editorial every month for the National Alliance member's Bulletin which we also run on a delayed basis on, you encouraged members to reach out to a segment of the White population on the left -- the progressives. That's in contrast to the impression of a lot of people that we racialists only reach out to conservatives. Why do you think it's important to reach out to the progressives?
EG: For one thing, when I look at the news and I watch these [] young demonstrators protesting the war in Iraq or the globalization meetings, the G7 summits, I see that many of them -- perhaps even most of them -- are White kids, White college kids. They're energetic, they're enthusiastic, they're fighting for something -- and many of them are of very good racial stock.
KAS: And they're idealistic, too, aren't they?
EG: Yes, they're idealistic, too, absolutely...
KAS: And I think some of them can sense the rottenness of the System that's ruling over them. They may not understand it -- but they can see it's rotten.
EG: Right. They're upset with the system. What we need to do is to give them a rationale for their anger. We need to point them in the right direction and explain to them who's behind a lot of the problems we are facing as a nation and as a people. It's important for them to realize that the war in Iraq isn't about oil, but was actually started to secure [] Israel's future.
KAS: I think that we have the 'pieces of the puzzle' that are missing from both the decent rightists' and the decent leftists' picture of the world. And we can give them those pieces so they can see the world the way it really is. That's what Dr. Pierce did for me.
EG: In fact, the National Alliance is not a 'right wing' or a 'left wing' organization. Many times in the past, we've been tossed into the 'right wing' pigeonhole -- [] but that's not what we are. In fact, we have many things in common with some of these young progressives. For example, we're concerned about the environment we live in.
KAS: Indeed. Well, Erich, we are nearing the end of the time we have available for this program. So I want to thank you for taking the time out of your non-stop work schedule to talk with me on American Dissident Voices. And I also want to thank you sincerely for taking on the mantle of authority and responsibility of the National Alliance, in the hour of our people's greatest crisis and deepest need. Thank you, Erich.
EG: Thank you, Kevin. You're quite welcome.



Source: National Vanguard

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