Taking Responsibility, Part 1
American Dissident Voices broadcast
September 18, 2004
by Kevin Alfred Strom
Today, we're proud to welcome to the American Dissident Voices
microphones Mr. Erich Gliebe, a man who had one of the heaviest
and most profound responsibilities imaginable placed on his
shoulders two years ago. Upon the death of William Pierce, he was
named Chairman of the National Alliance, the largest and most
important group working for the interests of White Americans and
White people worldwide. He had already been chosen several years
before by Dr. Pierce to be the chief executive of the pro-White
music firm Resistance Records. Today, in addition to his role as
Alliance Chairman, he continues as head of Resistance and editor
of Resistance magazine, and he also directs the activities of
National Vanguard Books, the sponsor of this program and
publisher of National Vanguard magazine.
Welcome to the program, Erich.
EG: Hello, Kevin, it's great to be on.
KAS: First, let me ask you: How do you manage to do so much? How
can you fulfill so many responsibilities?
EG: Actually, sometimes I ask myself that question. I work around
the clock, constantly involved in doing one thing or another,
whether it's for the Alliance, for the book company, or the
KAS: You're also still the head of the Alliance's Local Unit in
Cleveland. You're still involved there.
EG: Yes. I have a good Local Unit up there, and the members there
have known me for a long time and have worked with me for many
years, and, working together, the Unit is able to accomplish so
much. I am looking for someone else to fill my position as
Coordinator; I just haven't come up with the right individual
KAS: It is amazing that you do so much. Can you tell me a little
bit about your family background? -- and how old are you?
EG: I'm 40 years old and I was born and raised in Cleveland,
Ohio. My parents emigrated to this country from Europe in the
1950s, met over here and eventually got married. My father was
born in the German nation of Gottschee, which no longer exists. [http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/Ihr_Landchen.html] Gottschee,
which was located just south of Austria, in what is now Slovenia,
was founded in 1330 by German tribes who had emigrated from
northern Germany. The country ceased to exist in 1941, when the
Communist partisans drove the Gottscheers out, burning and
ransacking their villages, killing and torturing scores of them.
Those who survived fled to Austria on foot, taking only what few
belongings they could carry. That was a real holocaust. And, of
course, you're not going to read about the fate of the
Gottscheers in modern history books. They're just one of many
groups of ethnic Germans, including the Donauschwabens,
Silesians, and East Prussians, who suffered greatly before,
during, and after the Second World War.
My mother also had a very tough upbringing. She was born in 1938
in a Bavarian town outside of Munich, Germany -- and she had to
live through all the Allied bombing raids during the war.
Remember, the Allies engaged in the systematic practice of
bombing German civilian towns in the hope of breaking the
backbone and will of the German people. The bombing of Dresden
was probably the most horrific example of these Allied war
crimes. My mother had told me of the horrors of being in
Kindergarten, and first or second grade, and hearing tapping on
the classroom windows -- which would be the signal for the kids
to run down into the bomb shelter so they wouldn't be victims of
Allied genocidal bombing.
According to my Mom, the situation in Germany got even worse in
the two or three years after the war, when there was hardly any
food at all to be found in Germany. In fact, the German people
were so malnourished after the war that 92 out of every 100
German babies born in the summer of 1945 died within ten days.
KAS: Unbelievable. Now, you've given some hint of this, but your
childhood, because of your background, must have been somewhat
different from the average American childhood.
EG: Yes. For one thing, because of the hardships that my parents
endured during their upbringing in Europe -- they virtually had
nothing -- I definitely wasn't spoiled like most American kids
today are. And because of the positive influences they received
growing up under National Socialism, I was taught about honor,
self-discipline, and racial pride at a very early age.
And, also very importantly, I learned about the Jewish problem at
a very young age. Of course, it was a bit difficult at times: I'd
mention the Jews to the kids at school and they'd look at me kind
of funny -- they didn't know what I was talking about. Also at
that time, the Jewish media were in overkill mode with an
onslaught of anti-German and anti-White movies and TV sitcoms.
KAS: Now, your father was actually a soldier in World War II,
serving on the Eastern Front, wasn't he?
EG: Yes, my father served in the German Wehrmacht, in an Austrian
mountain division on the Eastern Front. He was shot in the face
by a Red Army officer and left for dead. He summoned the courage
to survive, but was eventually captured and sent to a POW camp --
a camp that was so brutal that the German prisoners had to sift
through horse manure for food, looking for corn kernels or
anything else the horses couldn't digest.
Now, fortunately, my father spoke a Slavic language, which
impressed one of the guards who happened to "look the other way"
when my father escaped from the camp. He eventually caught up
with his company, and continued to fight through the end of the
war, when he was captured and spent close to a year in a
British-run POW camp.
KAS: Did he pass along any lessons to you from that period of his
EG: Absolutely, absolutely. He instilled in me a great sense of
self-discipline, and honor, and racial pride and consciousness. I
remember as a kid I would always listen intently as my father
spoke of his war experiences. As a young boy, I would stare at
the scar on my father's face where he was shot. And I tried to
imagine what it would be like to fight to the death for something
I believed in.
KAS: He was a survivor, wasn't he?
EG: Definitely. He was a survivor and he was a fighter. In fact,
at the end of the war he even refused to surrender. He was
captured after the initial German surrender.
KAS: What made him decide to come to America?
EG: Basically, it was because his original homeland, Gottschee,
no longer existed. He thought he would be able to carve out a
future in America, which was big and wide open and was in need of
skilled German and other European immigrants.
KAS: When you were a young man or an adolescent, you took up the
sport of boxing, and you eventually became a professional boxer.
What brought you into that profession?
EG: Well, I had always enjoyed watching boxing, and I considered
it to be the ultimate physical challenge for a man. When I was
about 13 years old, I went to a movie theatre and I saw the first
Rocky movie. Then I went back the next day and the day after
that. And I knew what I wanted to do when I grew up right then
and there. Boxing came naturally to me, and I eventually turned
professional. I was undefeated in eight pro fights, with seven of
the wins coming by knockouts. And I fought openly as a White
KAS: I have never heard of a boxer doing that. Are you the first
EG: As far as I know. I don't know of any other. I don't know of
any other athlete who has performed openly as a White racialist.
KAS: How did you do that? How do you perform as a boxer and as a
EG: I used the moniker 'The Aryan Barbarian.' And, it was funny
-- the members of the crowd either loved me or hated me. There
were no fence-sitters during my fights. I was hoping to use my
status as a professional fighter to speak out for my race. The
non-White athletes were doing it. Black athletes like Muhammad
Ali were heroes for their people.
And there are virtually no White athletes today who will stand up
for their race, out of fear of being called a "racist."
KAS: How old were you at the time?
EG: I started taking boxing seriously after high school, and
turned professional at the age of 24.
I remember a few years back, when baseball pitcher John Rocker
made some truthful racial comments in an interview -- and he was
literally tarred and feathered by the media and by major league
baseball. Unfortunately, he then apologized and suffered an
emotional meltdown, with his career never being the same again.
What we really need are some White professional athletes to stand
up for their race. I think if they did that, it would open the
doors for others, and it would move young White kids today to be
proud of who they are.
Getting back to boxing: What I really liked about boxing is that
often, what victory came down to was not who was the most
talented or physically-gifted fighter -- but who wanted it more.
Many times, in the early rounds of a fight, the faster and more
crafty boxer will build up a lead, only to have his underskilled
opponent absorb the punches, grit it out, and later pound out a
win. In the later rounds of a fight, it is often three
non-physical qualities -- heart, will, and determination -- that
decide who will be the victor.
In my writings, I often draw analogies between boxing and the
struggle for White racial survival that we are facing. Right now,
our race is against the ropes. We have what it takes to win --
but how bad do we want to win this fight? How hard are we willing
to work for it? What are we willing to sacrifice? Victory is ours, but only if we want it.
KAS: Intelligence isn't enough by itself.
Unfortunately, many Whites think that the Jews are such a
powerful force and are so well-connected that we can't defeat
them. Let me tell you a little story; a true story that happened
about a dozen years ago. I was on vacation in Canada, sitting
around a lake, when a guy about 30 years old approached me and
asked me if I'd like to go fishing out on his boat. I had nothing
else going, so I accepted his offer.
We got out to the middle of the lake, dropped our lines in the
water, and he began ranting about how arrogant and demanding his
Jewish girlfriend was. And in the next moment, unaware of who I
was, he told me that he himself was a Jew. He then delved even
further into his own personal life, admitting that he was a
recovering alcoholic and a former heroin addict who spent most of
his free time watching porno movies.
I looked over at him and thought to myself: This guy is pathetic.
These Jews aren't all-powerful supermen. He didn't have a big "S"
on his chest -- although he did have a big gut, and his pants
were falling down...
EG: Anyway, enough said there.
KAS: The example of an athlete speaking out is something that
we've talked about privately -- and not just athletes, but other
White figures who are in the public eye. if we could get just one
or two, it could start a tidal wave. Certainly, people who are at
the top of their profession, including politicians, know the
score about Jewish power.
EG: Sure. For instance, if a prominent White professional athlete
would stand up for his race -- or if White Hollywood actors like
Tom Hanks or Mel Gibson were to stand up and say they were proud
to be White -- we would have so many people knocking down our
door to find out about the National Alliance that we wouldn't
know what to do with them. Imagine if a White businessman like
Bill Gates were to wake up one day and realize he was White.
KAS: Someone in a position like that may be listening today,
If you did that yourself, at that young age, you must have
already been very racially aware. When did you first start to
think about the world in racial terms?
EG: As far back as I can remember, I was always racially
conscious. I was always proud of who I was. And I always noticed
that there were differences between the races; not just physical
differences, but mental as well as emotional differences.
KAS: Why didn't the propaganda of the mass media and the schools
rub off on you then?
EG: Because common sense prevailed. It also didn't hurt that I
was involved in boxing, a sport that's predominantly non-White.
You see firsthand the racial differences there. I didn't hate
them -- but I prefer to be around my own.
KAS: I understand. Erich, What people have had the greatest
influence on your life, and why?
EG: Definitely my father -- as well as Dr. William Pierce, the
founder and former Chairman of the National Alliance. My father
helped instill in me a great sense of self-discipline and racial
consciousness -- as well as the determination to succeed in life.
And, though I had always strived for self-perfection, working
with Dr. Pierce on a daily basis for over 12 years reinforced in
me two very important things that I always think about. One was
purpose in life and the other was responsibility to my race as a
White man. Very few people today think of purpose in life or
KAS: I agree with you. When did you first meet William Pierce?
EG: I first met Dr. Pierce back in 1990, shortly after I joined
the National Alliance. I drove down from Cleveland to West
Virginia -- it actually took me an hour to get up his driveway at
that time, it was so overgrown, rocky and bumpy. And Dr. Pierce
was the only person living on the property at that time.
KAS: I remember those days.
EG: Yes. He was a bit cautious when he met me, for good reason --
as he would be when he met anyone for the first time. He and I
seemed to hit it off right away, and he saw that I was very
passionate about what I wanted to do for the organization. As
soon as I joined the Alliance, I was a ball of fire. I tried to
do something every chance I got -- and if I wasn't doing
something, I was at least thinking about doing something for the
KAS: Can you tell us a few of the things you did, initially?
EG: On my first visit to the National Office, I brought with me
about $1,000. I loaded up my car with copies of Turner Diaries,
Hunter, Best of Attack books as well as book catalogues,
stickers, flyers... And I started manning a table at gun shows.
And I eventually started recruiting members, one at a time. I
also kept a stack of flyers in my car, and every day, on the way
home from work, I would stop at different parking lots and put
flyers on windshields.
KAS: You have one of the best personal recruiting records of
anyone in the Alliance, ever -- isn't that true?
EG: That's what I've been told. (laughter) My success in
recruiting can be attributed to a few things. One is persistence.
And I was always trying to think of new ideas, new ways to get
our message out, new ways to reach people. And I was always very
patient with potential recruits. As a matter of fact, it took me
three years to recruit one man who is now one of the best members
we have. That was three years of calling him every other day,
sending him literature several times a week, and sort of stroking
him along. I was very patient with him. And since he joined, he's
also been a ball of fire.
EG: Also, I was never afraid to try new things -- and I was never
afraid of failure. If I failed at something, I would chalk it up
as a learning experience and I would try something else.
KAS: You've got that 'never give up' mentality that Dr. Pierce
EG: Absolutely. And I can draw an analogy to my boxing days:
There were times when I was fighting when I would swallow some
heavy leather, and my cobwebs might have been a bit shook up. But
I bit down hard, and then I knew that the only way for my
opponent to beat me was to kill me -- and I wasn't ready to die.
KAS: (laughter) Now, as time went on, after you did all of this
recruiting work, eventually Dr. Pierce made use of your talents
at a higher level. Can you tell me about that?
EG: Almost right off the bat, he appointed me to be the Cleveland
Unit Coordinator, and I began building up a Local Unit in
KAS: What year was that?
EG: That was in late 1990. At the time, the Cleveland Local Unit
was the only Unit the Alliance had. We didn't have another Unit
until 1993, when we formed the New York Local Unit.
I remember Dr. Pierce telling me all the time "Keep it up. Keep
going. Help the Alliance get over the hump," and eventually other
Units would be formed and the ball would get rolling. And that's
what I did. I try to use the Cleveland Unit as an example for
others to follow.
KAS: And several years later you became involved in Resistance
EG: Yes. About five years ago, Dr. Pierce asked me to run
Resistance Records, a pro-White music company which he had
purchased earlier that year. I thought about it, and decided that
I would give it my best shot, even though I had not worked in the
music industry before. I knew the direction that Dr. Pierce
wanted to take the record company as well as the music, and I
knew what the big picture was. We needed to recruit more young
I realized that a lot of young people today simply do not read --
whether it's because of short attention spans, whether it's
because of so many distractions like 300-channel cable
televisions and so forth. I also realized that almost all young
people listen to music, a lot of them listening to popular music,
to rock music they hear on the radio. They listen to this music
over and over again, and eventually the lyrics will become
embedded in their minds. If there was a pro-White message in the
lyrics, one might hope that that would become embedded in their
minds -- and they would start thinking about things, start asking
questions, and develop a sense of racial consciousness if they
didn't already have one.
KAS: Let's go back in time, just for a moment, before we go on
with Resistance. When did you first hear of the National Alliance
and mesh that in with your already-developed racial
EG: Well, it wasn't until 1989 that I found out about the
National Alliance. Up until that point -- though I'd always been
racially conscious -- I never knew of any organization in which I
could have used my talents to further the Cause. I just didn't
see anything out there.
Then in 1989 an elderly German man handed me a copy of National
Vanguard. I read the publication cover to cover, and it just
totally blew my mind that there was something out there so
intelligently written, expressing everything exactly the way I
felt. I guess you could say Dr. Pierce's writing moved my racial
soul. So I ordered a couple back issues of the magazine, and
along with that came a book catalogue. I opened it up, and, lo
and behold, there were hundreds of books that I'd always wanted
to read but didn't know where to find them. I began ordering one
book after another.
And eventually I knew what I had to do. I realized that I had to
join the National Alliance. There were no ifs, ands, or buts
about it. I joined, and...
KAS: And in less than two years, you were heading the Cleveland
Unit, and making it an example for others to follow.
* * *
We'll continue our interview with National Alliance Chairman
Erich Gliebe next week on American Dissident Voices. Be sure to
be listening as we discuss Mr. Gliebe's role in the building and
evolution of Resistance Records, the severe tests and challenges
the National Alliance faced after the untimely death of Dr.
Pierce, the tremendous moment of decision when Mr. Gliebe
accepted his new leadership role, and the importance of the
National Alliance for the future of our race.