A White Future is Coming:
Interview with Bob Whitaker
American Dissident Voices broadcast
July 3, 2004
by Kevin Alfred Strom
Today we're proud to welcome to the American Dissident Voices
microphones Mr. Bob Whitaker, a distinguished author, journalist,
and wit, whose writings regularly appear in National Vanguard
print magazine. His latest book is Why Johnny Can't Think, and
it's available from Bob's own Web site, Whitakeronline.org.
Recently, Mr. Whitaker shared the podium with me at David Duke's
European American Conference in New Orleans. Welcome to the
Bob Whitaker: Thank you, sir.
KAS: When we introduced you for the first time to our readers in
National Vanguard, we gave a capsule biography of you as follows:
"Mr. Whitaker was born and raised in South Carolina, and attended
the University of South Carolina and the University of Virginia
Graduate School. He has been a college professor, an
international aviation negotiator, a Capitol Hill senior staffer,
a Reagan Administration appointee, and a writer for the Voice of
So you're a Reagan administration appointee -- what's the story
BW: I was Special Assistant to the Director of the Office of
Personnel Management, in charge of security clearances, staffing,
and that sort of thing.
KAS: Why is someone with such excellent establishment credentials
defending the White race, as you do in your work, without apology
or regret? Isn't that something that simply "isn't done" these
days by anyone who wants to retain his position in private or
BW: Well, I did it. And they cleared me at the highest possible
levels, so if you do it right, you can do it. And I'm good at it.
KAS: What is it in your background that has caused you to stick
to that position, to remain true?
BW: Well, I'm a wildly overeducated redneck from Pontiac, South
Carolina. I'm loyal to my own people. That's the way I was
raised. And that's the way I am. And I've always said I'll always
protect my race, and the South, and the things that I come from.
That's sort of basic.
KAS: What do you say to someone who asks you 'Why should we
protect our race?'
BW: The present policy is massive immigration of the Third World
into White countries -- all White countries. And only White
countries. That's called genocide.
KAS: I notice you were a college professor, Bob. May I ask what
was your field of expertise; what were you teaching?
BW: Economics. Two of my professors in graduate school went on to
win Nobel prizes.
KAS: Very good. Even as a former college professor, your most
recent book, Why Johnny Can't Think, is very critical of the
academic establishment. What made you decide to criticize your
own former colleagues?
BW: Well, I did that from the word go. I was critical when I was
To start with, when I was sixteen I entered college, and by then
I'd already read medical history. And I read about the great
medical doctors who bled George Washington to death, based on a
crazy theory. All social science is primitive, and all primitive
fields do stupid things. Social scientists will admit their field
is primitive. What they don't admit is that the recommendations
of doctors of philosophy or doctors of medicine, at the early
stages, are always absurd. So what we have is a set of disasters
that social science professors have pushed -- like 'criminals are
basically nice guys' -- and all of these liberal policies have
been terrible failures and all of them came from social science
Through the years professors have taught these people leftism,
which boils down to the simple idea that professors should rule
the world. This is rather simple, but if you will go over liberal
ideas they boil down to all this criticism of businessmen and
military men and all that, leaving the idea that the
"intellectuals" (meaning people like the professors) should rule
Academia is a totally inbred group of people. All a professor
does for a living is sign a piece of paper that says you took a
course. Everything else a professor does is pleasing other
professors. A professor gets his PhD by pleasing professors. He
gets his job by pleasing professors. He gets published by
pleasing professors. And he gets tenure by a vote of the faculty.
So essentially what you have here is a totally inbred group of
people. And when you have that in any bureaucracy they just go
KAS: Is it from the 'professor class' that we get the ideas that
the survival of the European race is somehow 'evil'; and that
strangely illogical corollary that 'race does not exist'?
BW: Yes. I go into that in some detail in the book. If you talk
about nurture and nature -- nurture is social science: sociology,
psychology, education. All these things constitute nurture. And
so the professors teach that there's no such thing as nature, as
heredity. Now these days, since we've made so many advances in
genetics, they can't actually say, as they did when I was young,
that there's simply no such thing as heredity. But they now say,
'Well, there is heredity,' but you will never hear one single
word about heredity in any social science classroom in this
country. First they'll say there is heredity and environment,
then they'll completely ignore heredity.
KAS: Our college students, then, are being miseducated. What
would your advice be to parents of a young man or young woman
who's about to go into college?
BW: Read the book. It was written over a period of two years
specifically to prepare home schoolers, private schoolers, and
anybody else -- and their parents -- to laugh at professors. The
strategy is laughter. If you ever watch a liberal on TV, he might
make a statement like 'criminals are basically nice people,' and
the conservative sits there stone-faced and says something like
'You know, you're a wonderful person but I think you might be
mistaken.' But what the liberal is saying is something
KAS: What does Bob Whitaker say?
BW: I laugh at them. I make fun of them. My book is short, and it
is funny. It's my third book under my own name -- I've done a lot
of ghosting. And the purpose of the book is precisely what you
said: to prepare someone to lead the laughter in the dormitory
about how stupid the professors are and how silly what they're
KAS: It sounds like it could be revolutionary if enough people
BW: It would be if I could get it to private schoolers and home
schoolers. And there's another huge constituency. I have them all
around me; I talk to them all the time. There are tens of
millions of young people who are trying to pay off their college
debts. They know that they wasted four years jumping through a
useless hoop called college education. They are now burdened with
having to pay money -- not to build anything up, to buy a house,
or to raise their family -- but to pay the professors that the
government required them to spend time with. They are ticked off.
And we could reach them.
KAS: Can listeners get a copy of the book, as I've suggested,
BW: It's coming out in mass production. If you want to get 100
copies, you can get them for $200 including shipping at first --
we're trying to get the thing out. My last book was for St.
Martin's Press, which is the third biggest publisher in the
world. It was used as a textbook in private schools. And this
book, if it became a textbook in private schools, could destroy
the liberal professorship. Now I am not calling for discussion --
I'm calling for revolution here. I think that these people should
What we have here in Political Correctness is a religion. When
religious leaders sit down with the government and try to get
money for private schools or religious schools, you start off
with the idea that the present universities are not teaching a
religion but the religious leaders are. But the fact is Political
Correctness is a religion -- I don't say it's like a religion.
What we have is a religion being taught in public universities at
public expense, exactly as if the public schools were teaching
KAS: So how can people take advantage of this bulk offer you
BW: The Web site is ReadBob.com.
KAS: That's different from your main Web site, then.
BW: For orders, the best one is ReadBob.com. I have a great
little team of volunteers, brilliant young people, who are
handling it for me. I also have a brilliant young Webmaster, all
of whom are doing the work free.
What happened originally was, since I had already published so
many books, as I say two of them under my own name, a publisher
accepted the book. A month later they contacted me and said that
not only were they backing out of the contract, they were
destroying all correspondence relating to it.
KAS: What do you think the reason was for that?
BW: Because it laughs at all the wrong people, including the
people who control textbook buying. It attacks liberals,
leftists, conservatives -- 'respectable' conservatives,
neoconservatives... all the groups that buy books.
KAS: You're not a 'respectable' conservative, are you, Bob?
BW: Well, a 'respectable' conservative is the kind of nitwit that
we have speaking on the media. In order to become a 'respectable'
conservative, you have to get that word 'respectable' from the
KAS: They're the conferrers of 'respectability'?
BW: Yes. The minute someone steps out of line, he is denounced as
a 'racist,' a 'nut,' or whatever. If he laughs at a liberal, he
no longer is invited back. Joe Sobran did the foreword for Why
Johnny Can't Think: America's Professor Priesthood. And Joe
Sobran said that anyone who gives leftists the horselaugh they
deserve does not get invited back. That's the way you become a
'respectable' conservative: You don't hit them where it hurts.
Because they'll get you if you do.
KAS: Bob, both you and I are veterans of political debate wars on
the Internet. One of the most memorable ideas I've ever come
across online was your explanation of the multiracialist position
on the "race problem." And that explanation of yours succeeded in
silencing some of the nastiest critics and most malevolent
adversaries I've ever seen in my life. Basically you said that
the multiracialists call it the "race problem" -- bit what they
really mean is something else. Can you expand on that for us?
BW: They use the words the race problem but this race problem
only exists in White countries. The "race problem" does not exist
in Asia. The "race problem" does not exist in Africa. The "race
problem" is a code word for the White problem.
And when liberals and 'respectable' conservatives relax, they say
that the solution to the "race problem" is miscegenation. They
don't mean miscegenation in Japan. They don't mean miscegenation
in Uganda. We all know they're talking about the solution to the
KAS: And that's the genocide of White people.
BW: That's called genocide. And that's all that there is to it.
It's straight genocide. And that is in the book too, in some
KAS: Thank you for your courage. After telling me that that's in
the book in some detail, I'm not surprised that it was rejected.
You recently wrote on the Internet that you attended a family
reunion, and you noticed that some of the same things happening
in the family and in the conservative Bible Belt South in general
are also happening in conservative political groups. Specifically
you said -- and it's something I've noticed, too -- that the
anti-White left could not get too far in the Old South, but that
anti-White, pro-racemixing preachers are everywhere in that part
of the country. And they can make inroads there. They can use the
cachet of the 'old time religion' to promote that genocide you
were talking about.
BW: That's the same thing. They want to be pronounced
'respectable.' So, like Senator McCain, the way that they get
that admiration -- or at least toleration -- from the liberals is
by getting their brownie points by pushing Third World adoptions.
The left, and the right (everybody has to agree on this), say the
White race has to go. That's rule one. That's called
I was up in Hendersonville, North Carolina. This is an area
that's very hard for the multiracialists to penetrate. It's all
White, and it more or less stays all White. So the "Christians"
have set up a headquarters there in Hendersonville, and a lot of
other places -- I've seen Pat Robertson pushing it on his program
-- to get these Third World children into White families. And
this is an area where the liberals can't penetrate.
KAS: But the multiracialist preachers certainly can.
BW: That gets them some brownie points with the liberals. That
gets them 'respectability.'
KAS: And it's pretty obvious -- with who controls the media --
that preachers who preach against miscegenation are not going to
get major prime time program slots on television...
BW: No way. And I'll tell you -- they're like sharks. The
'respectable' conservatives are very protective of their
'respectability.' And if the liberals point out somebody and say
'That guy is not respectable,' the people who will lead the lynch
mob will be the 'respectable' conservatives.
KAS: In some of your columns, you've talked about the new private
space exploration initiatives, and you said that only the
government can now stop space exploration. What did you mean by
BW: If there's gold out there in space, a lot of people are going
to start doing it. But the big companies would like to have it
for themselves. And what they will do -- and this is why so many
big companies are liberal -- is start screaming that 'this is
dangerous for the astronaut,' we need to apply lots and lots of
rules. Then they'll start talking about spacecraft coming back
down and endangering people. And eventually, if you get enough
rules, only a large corporation can handle it. Only a large
corporation has the lawyers to handle it.
KAS: That's right. The big chemical companies love the EPA
because it keeps the small guys out.
BW: Exactly. And they all love 'Affirmative Action' rules -- the
more complicated, the better.
KAS: Indeed. If we do colonize other worlds, if this is
unstoppable, are we going to be stupid enough to bring
multiracialism and all the problems it entails with us to the
stars? Personally, I think any society stupid enough to do such a
thing isn't going to make it to the stars anyway.
BW: Carleton Coon, a leading anthropologist, testified when they
were talking about colonizing space. He said "Don't send a Cyprus
into space." On Cyprus, the Turks and the Greeks had been killing
each other for a long time. And he said "Don't send a Cyprus into
space." And that's more or less the same idea.
I have a view of the future where I think this would fit in.
There are going to be a bunch of countries where the liberals and
the conservatives are going to go the way of the Whig party --
because, in a country split into huge ethnic groups as we're
going to become, there really is no room for non-racial politics.
There'll be spokesmen for the Mexicans -- "Hispanics." There'll
be spokesmen for the Orientals. There'll be spokesmen for Blacks.
And there'll be spokesmen for Whites. Now that way, I think we'll
stand a much better chance of surviving, oddly enough, because a
self-conscious White minority, like any minority in the world,
will have to start thinking in its own terms. We can talk about
how we want our own space environments, too. In this way we can
start negotiating. Non-racial politics is gone. It's just a
matter of time.
KAS: The 'respectable' conservatives are denouncing racial
politics as 'identity politics' all the time, though...
BW: Sure. The Whig party denounced politics on slavery. It had a
president in the White House in 1853 and in 1856 it didn't exist.
Things are changing. That's one reason why the conservatives and
liberals are so terrified of what they have created here. Whites
are going to have to think of themselves as Whites.
Right now the Hispanics and the Blacks are essentially Tontos to
the liberal Lone Ranger -- faithful colored companions. They're
getting a little restive about that. As their power grows,
they're going to want their own spokesmen. And the liberals are
simply not going to be there anymore. And if the liberals aren't
there, their sort of shadow, the conservatives, won't be there
KAS: You've also written at length about those who are trying,
through religion or so-called humanist ethics, to stop cloning
and human genetic engineering. Can those technologies be stopped?
BW: They shouldn't be. I'm a Christian, and I believe in 'do unto
others as you would have them do unto you.' If I were given a
choice of being created in a lab and then destroyed without me
ever knowing it, and it stood a millionth of chance of helping
somebody in a wheelchair, I'd pay for the opportunity.
And secondly, we're going to have a modular man by the middle of
this century. In other words, it will be a lot easier to replace
any part of your body than it will be to repair it. Just like
most machines. And if these bioethicists, as they call themselves
at Harvard University, or if these sociologists, or if these
shrieking preachers are talking about 'crossing the line' in
remaking humans and so forth, the fact is that line is going to
be walked all over within 30 years. All they can do is slow it
down. When Jenner came up with vaccination in the late 1700s,
every pulpit in Britain just rung with denunciations of it. They
were talking about 'the body is the temple of the soul,' 'you
can't put a bunch of cow disease into human beings, they're holy'
and all that stuff. And of course thousands of people ended up
crippled or disfigured for life because they listened to those
KAS: Do you think these technologies hold out any hope for
eugenics, the scientific improvement of the race?
BW: I think children will be a matter of design. Take Indians,
for example. They had an advertisement I heard about in an Indian
paper, where this girl was Whitening herself so she could marry a
Dutch guy. That was an advertisement, a commercial. The Indians
descend from the Aryans, the Aryans themselves. And a lot of them
will want children who are Aryans -- real ones. I can see
advertisements: 'You can have an actual Aryan child.'
KAS: So you can see societies that are part-White now 'Whitening'
KAS: What about the European nations and White Americans? Do you
see a future for racial improvement?
BW: Once we start thinking of ourselves as a threatened minority,
all of the old preconceptions, all of this crap will be gone.
Especially when we get rid of this social science priesthood.
Universities are liberal seminaries. Once we get rid of those,
and once we realize we are threatened and can see it up close,
once we realize that we have to bargain for ourselves -- I think
all of these attitudes are going to change like you wouldn't
KAS: As America goes down the path of multiracialism and
multiculturalism, then, even as more and more non-Whites are
being imported into or being born into our living space, you
still see hope for racially conscious Whites and for White
BW: I think it's the kick in the butt we need. All these people
seem to think that this wonderfully White America was pro-White.
Now during my lifetime the worst enemies the White race had were
in New England (a White enclave), Minnesota (another White
enclave), Sweden, and Europe in general. Places which were White
enclaves were anti-White. Those were where the anti-Whites were.
Now there are no enclaves any more. And if there are, they'll be
KAS: Well, I can say you're certainly right as far as this goes:
The Whites that survive what's coming are going to be the
racially conscious Whites. They'll have to be.
Bob, I want to thank you for turning your considerable talents to
the cause of securing a future for our people. And I want to
thank you again for being a guest on American Dissident Voices.
BW: I thank you.
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