Igniting the Spark:
Interview with David Duke
American Dissident Voices broadcast
May 15, 2004
Kevin Alfred Strom
Kevin Alfred Strom: Today we welcome to the American Dissident Voices
microphones Mr. David Duke, a man who has been raising the
consciousness of European-Americans since the early 1970s. He was
the first openly pro-White elected representative since the
1960s, and he garnered over 60 per cent of the White vote in runs
for the Senate and Governor in Louisiana in the 1990s.
More recently, he has been the author of the books My Awakening
and Jewish Supremacism and is just now in the process of being
released form an imprisonment widely viewed as politically
motivated by Zionist forces within the Bush Administration.
Welcome to American Dissident Voices, David Duke.
David Duke: I'm so glad to be here, Kevin, and I'm very honored to be
here. I've really admired your program and your commentary, and
your dedication to our Cause for a very, very long time. It's
really a great pleasure for me to be on your program, and to
share my thoughts with your audience.
KAS: It's a pleasure to have you, David. Now you've been shut in
for more than a year, but I know from our correspondence and our
conversations that you haven't been idle. What have you been
doing during your involuntary sabbatical?
DD: Well, I feel like I've been in a monastery, in a sense -- a
very crazy monastery. I was in a room with approximately 72 other
prisoners. I'd say 90 per cent of them were non-European --
either Mexican or Black. You could imagine the amount of noise in
that kind of facility; the kind of conditions that exist there.
The bunks were only about 30 inches apart, so it was a very
difficult situation. But, when you're in prison, you're basically
stripped to your core. You go into prison and you don't even have
a wristwatch, you basically come in there with your skin and what
you are inside -- what's in your soul. If you go into prison, and
you have some strength inside you, you're made stronger. If
you're weak, you're made weaker. Prison, for me, was a very
Being away from the physical pleasures of life -- not eating
tasty food, not having any of the basic enjoyments of even the
small pleasures of life which we take for granted on the outside
-- causes you to examine your own soul, your own spirit, and to
look for the really greater pleasures of life, the most important
pleasures of life: and that's really satisfying the inner longing
we have in our genes, the values that we have, the beliefs that
we have, the commitments we have in life. So, in a way, I was in
a very obscure place; and I had a chance to do a lot of thinking.
It was a monastery, but it was kind of a monastery in a zoo.
KAS: Last week I mentioned your Unity and Leadership Conference,
which is coming up this Memorial Day weekend. I imagine that a
lot of your time since you've been able to get back to your
office has been taken up in getting ready for that. Can you tell
us a little about that, and also about the purpose of the
[ http://www.davidduke.com/welcome_home.html ]
DD: It's really twofold. The idea for it was begun by a lot of my
friends here, who wanted to have a good welcoming home meeting
for me. I've got many friends around the country, including
yourself, Erich Gliebe, Dr. Edward Fields… So many people around
the country and the world that wanted to welcome me back from the
American Gulag, and I thought to myself, well, if we're going to
have this kind of get-together, this homecoming, we should also
have a meeting in the process. An international meeting of
Europeans and European-Americans who are involved in the struggle
for the preservation of our heritage, our way of life, and our
I also have been thinking for a long time over the years that we
do need some sort of code of action between us, some sort of a
code of conduct in terms of how we're going to treat each other,
an integrity that we're going to have between our organizations.
We don't need to merge into one group -- in fact, that might be a
dangerous thing because if we all did get into one group, it'd
give the Jewish supremacists a more clear target at which to aim,
and it could destroy all of us.
European mankind is in an absolute crisis. We are literally being
wiped off the face of the Earth. It's hard for people to
understand this and I'm sure there are some people new to the
Cause and new to these ideas who are listening to your program,
but they've got to get it into their mind that what's happening
here is an absolute battle for our survival.
European birthrates now -- both in America and Europe -- are
about 1.25. That means for every hundred European men and women,
you only have about 68 children. That generation, at 68 children,
only has somewhere around 40 children. In short, in four or five
generations we go from a hundred European-Americans down to less
than ten. We're being wiped out -- in the blink of an eye, we're
being wiped out.
KAS. Those figures don't even take miscegenation into account.
DD: Exactly. And it doesn't count the massive influx of Third
Worlders into European countries. What's happening is that, at
the same time the people of European descent are not having
children, a population explosion is going on all over the
non-White world. And these people are not just staying in their
own countries, but they're flooding into European lands.
The reason we want to preserve our heritage isn't because we hate
these Third Worlders or these non-Whites that exist in South
America or Mexico, or China or South Asia, or India, or wherever.
We don't hate them -- but we certainly believe that we have a
right to preserve our heritage, our way of life, our freedoms,
our culture, our genetics.
KAS: We need our own exclusive living space to do that; do you
agree with that?
DD: I think absolutely we do. And I think that can be worked out
between the races.
I think one thing that's been keeping us from coming to a fair
agreement [is the hatred caused by our pro-Zionist foreign
policy.] You know, I've been around the world, and of course I've
traveled to the Arab countries. One reason why I went to the
Gulag was because I went to Bahrain and spoke before a group
called Discover Islam, which was an anti-Israel organization, and
I appeared on al-Jazeera. In fact, the US State Department -- and
this is admitted in Newsweek magazine by the way, in their
Periscope section of November 2002 -- actually tried to prevent
my appearance on al-Jazeera. They threatened the al-Jazeera
network, and said 'If you have David Duke on we're not going to
give you White House credentials, we're not going to let you set
up an office in Washington, DC in the United States, and so
forth, which your network needs for credibility around the
KAS: Sounds like they're afraid of you -- or somebody is.
DD: It seems that way, and the interesting thing was that the
network didn't cave in. The State Department never followed
through on their threats, but they tried to keep me off the air
over there. Within thirty days, I was prosecuted by the Justice
Department in this case, and the pressure from that came out of
Washington and Michael Chertoff's office.
And Michael Chertoff was the same individual whom I had exposed
for releasing the Israeli spies linked to 9-11. As most of your
listeners know, there was a huge Israeli spy network in the
United States operating before -- and after -- 9-11 and they were
spying, very closely spying, on the so-called al-Qaeda
individuals who were here, the hijackers. Five of these Israeli
spies lived on the same street as Mohammed Atta, the hijackers'
leader, and five Israeli Mossad agents were arrested on a rooftop
filming the attacks on the Trade Center and cheering those
attacks. In fact, they were posing in front of the burning Trade
Center flicking their lighters… you know, acting out "how great
this is"… and I think there's no question about the fact that
there were early warnings to Israeli citizens in the Trade
This has been exposed by the Washington Post and exposed by the
FBI. There were early warnings to Israeli nationals who were at
the Trade Center. I think the Mossad were completely aware that
these attacks were going to go on and I'm certainly suspicious
that they might've had something to do in terms of instigating
these attacks through their infiltrators in the al-Qaeda network.
I can't prove that fact, but we do know, without any question,
that the Mossad had prior knowledge that these attacks were going
to take place. They treacherously let these terrible attacks go
on, knowing that these attacks would better Israel's situation
and make America support Israel in its oppression of
They didn't want me talking about these issues and these facts on
al-Jazeera and throughout the world. The State Department tried
to prevent me from talking about these issues.
I also exposed this war, as you know. And you did the same thing,
so it's not just David Duke. I traveled the world. I spoke at
many international conferences in Europe, and I was well
respected at those conferences. I spoke with Heads of State,
ambassadors to major nations -- they shared the podium with me --
and I discussed the Israeli acts against the Palestinians, and I
discussed this coming war against Iraq. I said from the very
get-go that's there's no evidence that Saddam has any 'weapons of
mass destruction.' If they did have evidence, they'd produce it;
they'd have the inspectors go find them. I said that Saddam had
no ties with al-Qaeda. I said this war would be a quagmire -- it
would be destructive to America. I said it would really help
terrorism, and endanger America rather than help America, and
that it would cost hundreds of billions of dollars. At that time
Wolfowitz, and Perle, and the rest of this Jewish supremacist
cadre in Washington, were saying 'Oh no no, this is going to be
an easy war; It's going to cost 20 or 30 billion dollars, the
people are going to welcome us with flowers, and this is going to
be a great blow against terrorism.' But, as you know, what this
war has created is a hundred million young men around the world
who are growing up dreaming of becoming a Bin Laden.
KAS: Our ideas, Dr. Pierce's ideas, were revolutionary. I believe
your ideas are revolutionary, and so are mine. We want a
reordering of values, a new civilization based on the ideals of
racial integrity, racial progress, and self-determination for
Whites. Now there must be tremendous pressure on someone in the
political arena, as you've been in the political arena, to water
down those ideas and to say that we just want "equality" or
"fairness." How have you avoided doing that?
DD: First off, and let's make it very clear, politics is a little
bit different than a person presenting a philosophical idea. When
you're in a political race, what you've got to talk about -- and
this is just simple political dynamics -- are the issues that are
motivating the voters. When you're in a race, you're not trying
to change fundamental perceptions of the world. What you're
trying to do is present specific ideas that are in line with your
philosophy so that you can get elected and then present the
entire worldview that you've got to present. In other words,
every election has to be geared towards winning that election. At
the same time, you can't compromise what you believe.
I remember in the races that I ran for Senate and Governor, my
whole speech wasn't of course about the Middle East and Israel.
People weren't going to vote for me for Governor of Louisiana
because of our Israeli policy. But if people asked me about
Israel in the course of my discussions, I would talk about the
fact that our policy in Israel was wrong -- that it was hurting
America, that Israel was a treacherous country, that it committed
terrorism against our nation.
As far as fairness is concerned, I think we also have to consider
our own approach on these issues. I don't think that in my
approach, in my desire to preserve my European-American heritage,
that I'm being 'unfair' to Blacks, or 'unfair' to non-Whites
around the world. I think what I represent is actually the best
for them. I think the best thing for them, at some point, is to
live in their own society where White people are not ruling over
them, where White people are not determining how they live. They
can make their own world, their own country, their own society,
their own community, that can reflect their own deepest desires
KAS: There must also be tremendous pressure not to talk about the
Jewish question. However, far from being a typical politician in
that regard, you've made that issue the centerpiece of your most
DD: It is the ultimate issue.
We have lots of different people in the movement. We have Jared
Taylor, for instance, of American Renaissance, and we've got
other people that are concentrating only on the racial issue, and
that's fine. Different people can take different approaches. But
in my mind, the critical issue is the issue of Jewish power.
Jewish supremacist power.
By the way, this is not simply Jews, it's an ideology that these
Jewish leaders have, and most Jewish organizations have. They
believe that they have a divine right to rule us, to be supreme
over us -- it's truly a kind of supremacy. It's not separatism,
it's not egalitarianism, it's a supremacist position. Judaism at
its root is a racial supremacist religion.
Their power in media, and their power in government today (not
only in America, but in England and in other European countries,
though their influence is not as great as it is here) --
influences every other issue. Whether you're talking about gun
control, whether you're talking about abortion, whether you're
talking about world trade, or whether you're talking about the
Iraq war, or whether you're talking about 'affirmative action,'
this issue is the critical issue. Because by controlling our mass
media to such a great extent, they're able to dictate what
happens. By controlling the politicians, they will dictate what
happens -- and not just on the issues affecting Israel, but on
many issues affecting America.
For instance, a lot of typically conservative Americans -- who
are essentially very much opposed to this mass immigration which
is transforming our nation into a Third World country -- are very
surprised to learn that the change in America's immigration
policy which resulted in opening our borders was almost entirely
led and effected by the Jewish supremacists. Almost every Jewish
organization was involved in this for more than 70 years. They
started their work to undermine our immigration policy literally
at the turn of the last century -- the turn of the 20th century.
So starting from around 1900, it took them 65 years. For 65 years
they worked to destroy America's demographic base, to make
European-Americans into a minority.
In my book, Jewish Supremacism, I quote from many Jewish leaders
bragging about the fact that they led this effort. They led it
not only in terms of the actual Congressional legislation, they
also led it from the standpoint of the media trying to popularize
this opinion -- trying to tell people in America that somehow
multiculturalism was a great advantage, that it was going to be
of great benefit to people -- though we know that so-called
multiculturalism leads to greater crime, dislocation, and, in
fact, racial insensitivity. Racial tensions arise from it. A
community's sense of -- well, a community's sense of community --
a community's sense of brotherhood and togetherness and unity is
destroyed by so-called multiculturalism. When we look around the
world and we see multicultural states and multicultural
communities, they tend to be far more violent, they tend to be
far more disruptive. There's a lot less love and a lot more hate
in those kinds of environments, because it's human nature: people
are different. The people who have been the architects of this
change have really been Jewish supremacists.
Unless we strike at that core ideologically, unless we expose the
Jewish supremacist domination over our media and government,
we're really never going to have any victories in these other
KAS: Now the very Jewish-controlled media you're speaking of
stereotype pro-White people as unthinking 'haters,' 'bigots,' and
advocates of mindless violence. I've been talking on this program
about how we need to avoid confirming those media stereotypes --
especially since those things are not what we're about anyway.
We've discussed this; we are men of peace and justice.
DD: I think that's absolutely correct. The media, for 40 years
now, have been portraying White opposition to, say, forced
integration of education or to 'affirmative action' or to
integration as violent, hateful, bigoted -- that kind of a
presentation. And so a lot of White working people see this image
on television and they think 'Oh, you're supposed to oppose this
by standing up and yelling racial epithets,' because that's what
the media say. And there are some people in the so-called
movement, who call themselves White racialists, who are doing
nothing more than presenting some sort of a Jewish version of
what we are, rather than what we really are.
I'll give you an example. There was an article recently on myself
and on the convention, and they referred to me and to the people
coming to the conference as "White supremacists." That's a term
that Jewish supremacists have coined to label any [racially
conscious] White person. I am not a "White supremacist" and I
know that you're not, because 'supremacy' means that you want to
rule over other people. And none of us, none of the real thinkers
and leaders of this movement are "White supremacists." We don't
want to be 'supreme' over others. We simply want our own. Maybe
White separatist would be a better term. Or simply White
self-determinationist. Or White heritage advocate. Or White
preservationist. But "White supremacist" is not what we are.
We're not trying to rule over Blacks or Jews or Mexicans or any
other group. We simply want our own communities, our own society,
to reflect that of our forefathers -- what every other race on
this planet wants. If we're "White supremacists," then the
Japanese are "Japanese supremacists" and the Indians are "Indian
supremacists." We are simply White preservationists who believe
that we have a right to preserve our heritage, our culture, our
freedom, our land, and our values.
And the truth is -- and this is what my book Jewish Supremacism
points out -- the real supremacists on this planet are the Jewish
supremacists. Because they not only want their own state of
Israel -- and, by the way, they want to be totally supreme in
that state and in the territories they conquer, where millions of
people live under their thumb -- they want to be supreme over our
lands, they want to control our media, they want to dictate to
our government what it does. Just as they dictated our moves in
this terribly destructive Iraq war, which has done nothing but
harm the basic interests of our country.
KAS: Besides their unity, one of the strengths of the Jewish
supremacists is, as Robert Kavjian has pointed out
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=2747] , is that
they constantly play on the emotions of the people. They didn't
just buy up the TV networks and immediately start pushing their
multiracialist agenda, they entertained people with stories and
comedies. They're pushing the emotional buttons. How can we
overcome that advantage?
DD: We have got to resurrect the spirit of our people. Our
liberation -- the European-American liberation -- is in our
genes. The same genes that are in every cell of our body were in
the cells of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. They were in
the cells of Davy Crockett at the Alamo. They were in the cells
of Leonidas at Thermopylae, and Charles Martel at Tours when he
turned back the Moorish invasion. We have inside of us the seeds
of liberation and freedom. And we have the seeds to go to the
stars. And we have got to present to our people a way that will
bring out that passion, that beauty. Because what we represent
now, and what we believe in, is truly the way to the stars -- not
only the way to freedom in terms of a decent land with freedom
and decent schools for our kids and a clean, healthy environment,
and all the rest of the things that are so important -- but we're
talking about some of the most basic aspects of what life's all
about. And we have to bring out that passion in our people.
This is the analogy I always use: Islam came along in about the
7th century AD, and it fit the Arab nature. The Arabs were a
bunch of warring tribes at that time, and they had tremendous
conflicts and different religions. But Islam fit their racial
makeup. And it literally spread across the entire world from the
shores of Spain practically all the way to India in one
generation. In one single generation. And that was a time of very
slow communication and slow transport and travel -- and no
videotapes and no telephones and satellites and the rest of it.
I really believe that if we come up with the right formula, and
we are able to touch the spirits of our people with the deeper
meanings of what this struggle is all about, and if we show them
the crisis that our people are in around the world, this crisis
of existence, I believe that we can create something that will
sweep our people faster than Islam swept the Arabs.
KAS: You're talking about more than just emotions, now. You're
talking about something spiritual, David.
DD: Absolutely. Like I say, I believe that it's in our genes. In
the spiral of our DNA, I believe that we have a stairway to the
universe. It's a stairway to the stars.
We do have to look at the immediate threat to our people: the
immediate losses that we're taking in terms of victims of crime,
and the terrible losses we're taking in terms of our genes and
our culture and our freedoms and our way of life. Look at the
'Patriot Act' -- taking away the basic freedoms that we Americans
have enjoyed for 200 years.
But we are also talking about something to aim at and to fight
for. Because what we represent is something that's beautiful. I
hate to sound like some sort of a 'liberal' here, but it's really
based on the highest ideals of love and beauty. Dostoyevsky, who
is one of my favorite novelists and one of the greatest writers
of Western civilization, wrote "Only beauty can save us." And
what he meant was not just a surface physical beauty, but a
beautiful vision -- a beautiful ideal -- and beautiful people.
And that ideal in our hearts is what gives us passion. That's
what brings out the courage in men. And the only thing that can
save us at this point is passion.
The hour is late. Our people are being driven to destruction.
Every European nation has massive immigration. Every one has low
birthrates. Every one faces miscegenation. Our enemies control
our mass communication network. They're involving us in this
terrible 'Clash of Civilizations' which might end it all for us.
We are in a position of crisis. The only way we can win is by
bringing out the passion that's in our people. But it's in our
genes. We have to touch the spirit in our people. Certainly we
have the greatest Cause on Earth. We have a Cause that represents
everything noble and great and beautiful in mankind. We represent
a people that is exquisitely beautiful in form and spirit and
culture. Look at the great art of Western Civilization. Look at
the work of Michelangelo or DaVinci. Look at the writing of
Shakespeare, the music of Mozart and Wagner. Look at the
magnificence of our people. And all this beauty, all this
greatness will be cast aside, will be lost forever unless we win.
We have lots of reasons to be passionate. We can look into the
eyes of our children and feel this passion and this love. And
that's all we need. There are literally millions who we can reach
with that passion.
And I've seen it. I ran for office in Louisiana, and finally
someone had come along who defended the European-American, and
the passion became contagious. At every other house across the
state, suddenly there were 100,000 Duke signs that sprung up like
mushrooms after the rain. This is what can happen in our
lifetimes. In fact, this is what could happen this year, or next
year, or within this decade.
And this is why this conference is so important. I hope that
every patriot who is listening to this program will come down to
New Orleans and meet me and meet you and meet Erich Gliebe and
meet other leaders like Dr. Fields and John Tyndall, the founder
of the British National Party, who is going to be there. Let's
forge a way to make a victory for our kind over the next decade.
It's feasible to win this cause in a decade. We just have to put
together a formula that brings out that passion in our people --
that love, that tradition, and that spiritual strength which is
inside every one of us, if we just touch it.
KAS: David, I am sorry to say that we're running out of time, but
let me thank you now for being a guest on American Dissident
Voices. And I thank you also for all that you've done for the
love of your people.
DD: Thank you, Kevin. I admire your work and I look forward to
seeing you down here in New Orleans very soon.
KAS: We'll see you there.