Love Your Race:
An Interview with David Pringle,
American Dissident Voices broadcast
February 14, 2004
Kevin Alfred Strom
today's program we welcome again to our microphones the
Membership Coordinator of the National Alliance, Mr. David
On last week's program, Mr. Pringle discussed the Alliance's
literature outreach efforts -- which this week culminate in our
international 'Love Your Race' campaign, a Valentine's Day card
to our people around the world. I expect I'll be seeing you --
and reading about your efforts -- on the streets of the Americas,
Europe, Australasia, South Africa, and everywhere White people
live this week, as you distribute our healthy and positive 'Love
Your Race' flyer in your community and your language. Go to
natvan.com and nationalvanguard.org and see how you can
participate in this consciousness-raising effort in your
This week, Mr. Pringle tells us about the real-life
flesh-and-blood community-building the National Alliance is doing
in its Local Units today, and his vision for the Alliance's
KAS: Many of our listeners may not be aware of how the Alliance
is organized; can you tell our listeners, are there local
DP: Yes. As a matter of fact, right now we have 35 Local Units,
and what we call a proto-Unit, which is basically an emerging
Unit, and then we have even smaller groups of people in about 50
cities and small towns around the country. Then, of course, we
have isolated members who just prefer to do their own thing.
KAS: So one doesn't have to be a member of a Local Unit -- but
one can if one wants to.
DP: That's correct. The way we're organized begins with our
National Office -- which would have the Chairman, Mr. Erich
Gliebe, and his staff at the highest level, and then it goes down
to regional levels. During my tenure as Membership Coordinator
and under our Chairman's leadership, we've actually set up more
regional leadership than we've ever had before. Those areas
include the Texas region -- Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and
Texas -- and Texas is where we have more Units than in any other
state; then we have the Western United States that we've divided
off; then we've just created the Northeast region which will take
in all the smaller states in the Northeast.
KAS: And you and I recently attended the Midwestern regional
DP: Yes; and that's an area that's growing by leaps and bounds.
In fact, that was one of the larger meetings I've been to in the
past year, and it was extremely successful.
KAS: What do these Local Units -- that fall under the regional
administration -- actually do?
DP: What they do is hold monthly meetings -- where they invite
all the members in the local area -- for planning purposes. They
plan for what they're going to be doing for the next month and,
if need be, collect the funds to do that. Of course, we provide
some educational speakers occasionally, but mostly what these
meetings should be about are what you're going to be doing for
the next month; a planning session. The different Units will do
different things; some Units will focus -- especially if they're
a new emerging Unit -- on mass literature distributions, because
it's what they can afford. We have other Units, like the Tampa
Unit, which in two weeks and one planning session I just happened
to be there for, planned for a billboard, and created a letter
campaign that went out to all the criminal defense attorneys in
Florida -- which rattled quite a few cages.
KAS: That was a National Alliance recruiting letter to the
criminal defense attorneys in Florida?
DP: Right; and actually from quite a few we had a positive
DP: That's in spite of all the negative media, including the New
York Times, and the American Bar Association's E-report.
KAS: So, basically, if you join the Alliance and say you want
join a Local Unit, if there is one in your area you can expect
monthly meetings and brainstorming sessions where projects like
these are mapped out.
DP: Right, and that's how we're building community in local
areas. For instance, some of these areas put on European Cultural
Festivals, or Eurofests; St. Louis put on a very successful
Eurofest, as have the Sacramento Unit and other Units, where
they'll get several hundred people out for the Eurofest, many of
whom may not be racially conscious -- they might just like to
experience and revel in their heritage -- and that could be the
perfect place to slip them some Alliance literature and let them
see that we're not the bogeymen the media paint us as being. Also
in these Units there's a social factor. One person said to me not
long ago -- after they had been talking about somebody who had
gone out with some Alliance members and was an Alliance member
herself -- that the Alliance "wasn't a dating service." And I
said to that person "You're wrong. The Alliance is an everything
service." We're trying to completely rebuild our own White
community again. You might say we're building a parallel world to
the one of rot and decay that we see around us all the time. To
me, what these meetings do is 'charge my batteries'; they get me
around people where I don't have to watch what I say, I don't
have to worry, you know, about shocked looks when I say something
about Israel, or Black IQs, or whatever. They take place in an
atmosphere of camaraderie and brotherhood; we have just one class
of people there and that's just White men and Women. If you're
interested in that, we have quite a few active Units around the
country, and I, personally, can put you in contact with any of
the people who run them.
KAS: You've been traveling around this continent as part of your
work with these Units, haven't you?
DP: I have. I have.
KAS: You're based in Alaska, is that right?
DP: For the time being, yes, I'm based in Anchorage, Alaska. When
Chairman Gliebe asked me to be the Membership Coordinator, I
explained to him that I wouldn't be able to relocate from Alaska
for at least a year and a half. So I'm still up here.
KAS: So you're putting a lot of miles in the air, or in your car,
DP: Well, yes. 50,000 miles in the air last year, and in my
vehicle in one trip I put in 17,500 miles, traveling with my two
young children -- my daughter is four and my son is five -- and
my German Shepherd. We took quite a trek.
KAS: What do you do on these trips?
DP: I listen to a lot of tapes.
KAS: (laughter) I mean, what do you do when you get to your
DP: Sorry, ha! The trip was planned around quite a few meetings;
regional and local meetings and just meeting individual people
where there weren't Units set up. What I was doing was trying to
go through these places and get the message across that the
Alliance is engaged in community building, and that we need
constant, steady, daily, activity from our members. What I call
it is "building the revolutionary work ethic." I try to get
across to them that our biggest weakness is our belief in our own
weakness. And that, considering the amount of members that we
have, we have a voice that magnifies what we do by a factor of
one hundred. Our people should concentrate on a constant, steady
stream of activity -- and local infrastructure-building, too.
That means getting the ability to print fliers and leaflets and
literature locally -- material that's high quality too, not just
regular mimeograph, and something that can work when the power's
off as well. If the power hadn't come back on in the northeast
United States, we would've had a golden opportunity to put out
our message, and the local media would have been unable to
respond to it. I try to get people to do that kind of local
I also try to make sure that all these people understand that no
matter where they came from in life -- no matter whether they
have a PhD in philosophy, political science, physics… it doesn't
matter …or whether you're a mechanic, a home-maker… no matter
what you do -- all those other people in that room have probably
come to where they are by traveling almost exactly the same path
as you have. What I have people do is go around the room and tell
us their stories. Stories of how they came, not only to think
racially, but how they came to the National Alliance; I've
noticed this has an extremely unifying effect in every single
KAS: Well, you've been saying, to me, and in print, in your
missives that you've published, that what we need to do is have a
flesh and blood community -- Internet outreach is fine; it's
excellent; it's necessary; but there's a lot more that we need to
DP: Absolutely. In fact, I would even go as far as saying there
was just a great debate, in the thing loosely known as 'the
movement,' over the relative effectiveness of hard copy fliers
and printed distribution vs. the Internet. While I'm all for
Internet organizing, and fabulous news sites like
nationalvanguard.org, I also believe that the face-to-face
recruiting style -- and being able to get your message out on a
one-on-one basis -- is extremely important. I can't even go into
depths great enough to convey that to everybody that's listening
today. You want to be able to not overwhelm people with too much
at once, you want to be able to pick somebody that's a worthy
recruiting project, and work on them for a period of time. Some
people do that on the Internet… At one recent meeting I just
asked people in the audience to raise their hands if they joined
as a result of the Internet, and it was easily a quarter of them
-- and quite of few of them through the aforementioned
stormfront.org. But, no matter what Stormfront or anything else
can do, we can't win what we want to win -- living space of our
own, a nation of our own, run by healthy White men, with the
beautiful White children and ladies like the one on our 'Love
Your Race' flyer all around us 24 hours a day -- we can't do that
just by Internet surfing. We have to have people that are willing
to get together in small groups of people and work for a certain
Many times everybody gets "rule-oriented." As an end goal, I'm
"rule-oriented," too, but in my day-to-day work I try to simply
be "goal-oriented." I say "I'm going to put out a thousand
fliers," and I'll work until I'm done. That's what I mean by
saying bringing things over to flesh and blood; you can translate
that pursuit of a goal into real community. There are 24,000
people on stormfront.org, for example. I would like to be able to
reach in there and yank them all through the screen... for
instance, the other night there were 450 people on-line all at
once; I'd like to be able to get all those people into a meeting,
all at the same time, and let them see the difference that it
makes when you're doing it face-to-face vs. strictly on-line.
KAS: We recently completed a National Alliance meeting hall that
will hold some three to four hundred people.
DP: Yes, that's correct.
KAS: I know that our Chairman Erich Gliebe has been quite
successful -- one of our most successful face-to-face recruiters
-- up in Cleveland.
DP: The last count that I had for our Chairman was that he has
recruited, personally, over two hundred members. That puts him
far and away the biggest personal recruiter that we have.
KAS: David, what is your vision of the National Alliance's White
community five years from now?
DP: My vision for five years in the future is that, first off, I
would like to quadruple our numbers. I think it's very possible.
We've seen fifty per cent. membership growth in a year, for
example. That's one.
Number two is that I would like to see a Western States Regional
Office, along with a Northeast Regional Office, sometime in the
next five years.
I would like to see, on average, two good-sized public
demonstrations a year; we're in the planning stages of one right
now that will happen in mid-Summer.
I'd also like to see us with our own 24-hour Internet broadcast
station -- a station where we're providing constant new
programming 24 hours a day. I would like to see us do some
informational campaigning with political candidates, where maybe
the main goal isn't to win -- although that would be one of them
-- but would be to mainstream our image and present our message
to a wider audience.
I honestly believe, if things keep going in the way that they're
going right now -- and I've never seen it like this in the years
that I've been in the Alliance -- I believe that pretty much the
sky's the limit in the next five years. I'd like to have a
regional conference in Europe; I'd like to go to Australia and
meet with our members there. I would think that all of those
things are possible in the next five years.
KAS: What did you mean when you said "you've never seen it like
DP: Everywhere I go -- and you have to understand (and you do)
this is despite some serious internal and external attacks that
we suffered over the year 2003, despite all of those -- I've
noticed that our members have a level of energy that I've never
seen before, and every meeting that I go to I detect it even
more. You get a crowd of smiling people, happy to be there,
basking in the brotherhood, and they're all active people.
They're all people who, whatever their age, get out on the street
and hand out flyers -- no matter where it is. I've never seen it
like that, where every single place that you go you see the same
thing. You can see it in New Jersey or Sacramento… in St. Louis
or Salt Lake City… you see it in Florida or Texas… it's the same
everywhere -- just like a carbon copy. It's just that these
people so energized and happy to be a part of the Alliance. It
doesn't matter what anybody else on the outside of the
organization says or does, our people just have their noses to
the grindstone and they're knocking it out -- and they're making
the headlines and they're recruiting the people.
KAS: Well, thank you, David Pringle, for your part for making
that happen. Thank you for all your sacrifices, your hard work,
and thank you for being a guest on American Dissident Voices.
DP: Thank you very much for having me; I'm honored. I can tell
you one activity that I forgot to mention was, back in
Albuquerque in the early 90s we had a great shortwave radio
set-up and we'd have lemonade and coffee at my house every Sunday
evening while we listened to your American Dissident Voices
KAS: That was back in the WRNO days.
DP: That's right, it sure was. I loved those days and look
forward to plenty more.
KAS: Thanks to your efforts, and the efforts of the people who
are going to those meetings, putting out that literature, making
things happen at the local level, I think we are going where we
need to go. Thank you David.
DP: Thank you.
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