Love Your Race:
An Interview with David Pringle,
American Dissident Voices broadcast
February 7, 2004
Kevin Alfred Strom
Welcome to American Dissident Voices. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom. On
today's program we welcome to our microphones for the first time
the Membership Coordinator of the National Alliance -- the
leading organization standing up for the interests of White
people in the world today -- Mr. David Pringle.
KAS: Welcome, David.
David Pringle: Thank you, Kevin; it's a pleasure to be on the
KAS: Before we start discussing some of the things we're doing
now, can you give our listeners a little background on what your
job description is as Membership Coordinator?
DP: My job, in a nutshell, is to oversee the day-to-day
activities of our members and Units across the world. Currently
we have 37 active Units and proto-Units, mixed in with members
not currently affiliated with a specific Unit. Communicating with
these people is, literally, 80%. of my job, and it takes quite a
bit of time. I'm also in charge of recruiting and membership
retention -- the latter being, in the past, an area that the
organization hasn't focused enough on, I believe. I also act as a
liaison between our membership and our Chairman. The part I enjoy
the most about my job, I'd have to say, is building personal
relationships with the fine men and women of the National
Alliance -- which is why I have focused so much of my energy on
attending local and regional meetings.
KAS: Can you tell us a little about your family background, David
-- Where did you grow up? What are your passions in life?
DP: Well, I was raised in a practicing LDS -- more popularly
known as Mormon -- family. Many of my ancestors were part of the
great trek to Salt Lake City, and part of the Mormon battalion
and the spread of Mormonism across the West, so that's basically
where my rooting came from. I was born on the East coast in
Morristown, New Jersey, and my father, who has a PhD in
Electro-optical engineering from Stanford, transferred around the
East coast quite a bit and then went out to the West to work for
a company, and so we moved to southern California. I moved there
when I was about eight years old, and lived there until I went to
high school, at which time we moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico
and that's pretty much where I lived until I moved to where I
live now in Alaska. In the latter of the two, of course, I've had
plenty of experience with the Mestizos and watched southern
California and New Mexico both go from relatively majority-White
communities to barrios and sub-barrios... and, well, it wasn't
pleasant; it's one of the reasons I left New Mexico.
My passions in life would be my family, and then what I call the
three "G's" -- which are guns, guitars and German Shepherds. As a
young man I was in the infantry, and I also grew up through the
Boy Scouts. And through personal shooting time with my father I
gained an appreciation for the fine art of legal weaponry.
And I enjoy playing guitars. It's a good way to relieve stress or
to allow your most creative parts to come out.
KAS: I've heard you play and improvise and sing -- and you're
very good. And I've met one of your dogs, too.
DP: Ah, yes. The German shepherds. I've had many breeds, and that
breed -- I'm, of course, prejudiced in favor of them -- but I
believe they're a superior breed and I wouldn't go anywhere
KAS: Are there any lessons, you think, for the National Alliance
in your Mormon background?
DP: I do. One thing I've noticed -- my wife has noticed this
also, and several of our good friends -- is that there is a
disproportionate amount of Mormons in the Alliance. I would even
go as far as saying, while I don't have the statistics to back it
up, that they probably represent one of the larger sub-groups
within the organization. The reasons, I believe, are several. For
instance, my mother and my father are very big in genealogical
circles. They not only do it for the Church, but they do it
semi-professionally, and so I always grew up knowing about where
I came from, and where my ancestors came from, and what they did
-- not just names on a graph, but their histories. And that's the
way it is for a lot of other Mormons, who grew up in the same
kind of background that I did… Also it's the community that's
created. You know, Mormonism isn't something where you just go to
church on Sunday like quite a lot of churches. There's always
something going on at the local ward. Always. And it's
youth-oriented and family-oriented. That's one the directions in
which I personally have worked on taking the Alliance. I love to
see children at meetings, I love to see families -- not only at
meetings but at events -- and I think it complements us to make
the Alliance something that's so family and community-oriented.
KAS: How long have you been a member of the National Alliance?
DP: I joined the Alliance in 1992, not long after I got out of
KAS: What first brought you to an understanding of racial issues?
DP: I was serving in the Middle East, in the Sinai, in what they
call the Multinational Force and Observers -- it's something like
13 nations based out of Rome, and it's part of the peace accord
that was set up there between Egypt and Israel. I was what they
called a transportation NCO, and I was in charge of making sure
that everybody at the remote observation post got their water and
fuel and everything else that they needed.
As part of my job, I would go out to observation posts and we
would do something called aerial re-supply. In a nutshell that's
sling-loading equipment and supplies up to a mountainous
observation post. And there was one that we went to every week.
One week the Bedouins who were always there -- in fact, they
represented our biggest problem: keeping them out of our lunch
pail every day -- came up with a severely injured eight- or
nine-year-old boy who had third degree-plus burns on the lower
half of his body. And there was a language barrier. We couldn't
really communicate with them to find out what happened --
although for the boy it was irrelevant -- so we took one of our
helicopters off of the mission and had him flown to Elat, Israel
which is at the tip of the Gulf of Aqaba. It was probably about a
30 minute helicopter ride there. We went back to our business,
and it was maybe about an hour later when one of my troops told
me that he just saw the helicopter flying back the other way, and
so I wanted to see why they weren't going to come back and help
us. And he tells me that Israel wouldn't take the kid because he
was an Arab, and they don't give medical treatment to Arabs. The
pilot was going to have to fly him back to our place which was
called South Camp, by Sharm el Sheikh. That got not only myself,
but every single other person there, to thinking: Why the heck
wouldn't they take that boy?
KAS: Jewish supremacism in action.
DP: It was. And right about that exact same time we had all these
racial tensions and so I started, you know, feeling and thinking
more racially. And it just kind of took off from there.
KAS: The Alliance has many ways of reaching out to White people.
Anyone listening to this program or reading this transcript knows
about our radio and Internet outreach, but what else do we have?
DP: We publish three magazines: National Vanguard; Free Speech;
and Resistance magazine. We also publish our monthly membership
Bulletin, which goes out to our members and supporters. We have
two other weekly radio programs. One is NA Live, which is a
weekly call-in program featuring National Alliance Chief
Operations Officer Shaun Walker and myself, and National Vanguard
Books radio, which features St. Louis radio personality Frank
KAS: Yes, he's a really funny guy.
DP: He is a funny guy. He's also known as the Couch Potato [on a
local St. Louis station, WGNU].
KAS: Right; he's a lot of fun -- and he's a bright guy too; a lot
of insights there.
DP: I haven't listened to all of his shows I have to admit, but
I've heard quite a few of them and I listened to a few samples
before we put him on the air.
KAS: So on your show, though, people can actually call in?
DP: Right, and that's on halturnershow.com on the Turner Radio
Network, so it's strictly an Internet-only radio show, but it's
interactive and you can listen to it in Real Player, or Winamp,
or in your browser -- and you can call in.
KAS: That's every Thursday night?
DP: Yes; every Thursday night eleven to midnight, East Coast
KAS: Some of our Florida members are very persistent in using the
rather unusual medium of billboards. What can you tell us about
DP: Our Tampa Bay unit did it. They're an extremely active unit,
and this is their third attempt at having a billboard up. I
believe the first one lasted a week; the second one, maybe three
weeks; and this one's been up since August.
KAS: So they are persistent. They don't give up!
DP: They are persistent. Basically, it was pretty easy. They got
one member who had good credit to sign an agreement with the sign
company for set amount of money per month for a year; that
significantly reduces the price of the sign per month. Then,
through the sign company… we actually have a sign company now who
will make these huge nylon screens -- they're 20 feet tall - they
basically just print it out on a giant printing press and slap it
up on the board with turnbuckles. Apparently these are very
threatening... to Jews, especially. I'm sure Michael Eisner
didn't like driving past it every morning on the way to work.
KAS: This was near Orlando then?
DP: This was on the Florida Turnpike between Orlando and Tampa
KAS: Not only did a lot of people see the billboard that said
"Who Rules America? -- natvan.com," but isn't it true the number
of people who saw it in the newspapers and on the TV news might
even have been greater?
DP: That story was basically as close as we've had -- aside from
Eagle, Colorado -- to a story going just flat-out national, with
Peter Jennings talking about it at the beginning of ABC News...
KAS: Now you mentioned Eagle, Colorado… what was that all about?
That was a literature distribution, correct?
DP: That was a literature distribution up there with a flyer
that's still available on natvan.com.
KAS: That's our 'Don't Have Sex With Blacks' flyer.
DP: Yes, the 'Don't Have Sex With Blacks' flyer… And that
distribution was picked up by the AP wire and it just went nuts,
literally across the world. I believe at the final count there
were some 120 newspaper articles -- and I couldn't even tell you
how many radio shows… I did three radio interviews within the
period of an hour one morning.
KAS: Why was that one flyer so hot at that time, and in that
DP: Well, Kobe Bryant is accused of raping a young Eagle,
KAS: He was just coming up for trial at that time, or
DP: His arraignment and preliminary hearings were scheduled for
then. We asked our members in Colorado if they couldn't do an
awareness-building campaign about the dangers of having sex with
Blacks. Whether the young girl was raped or not, or whether Kobe
Bryant did it or not was irrelevant to the goals of the
distribution. What we did was take the Kobe Bryant issue and use
it to bring awareness to one that's much more important. That
girl would never have been raped or even been in the situation
that led to being raped had she been fully advised that Black
males between the ages of 14 and 24 represent 63% of new HIV/AIDS
cases in America.
KAS: How important are these literature distributions in
awakening our people? How do they help us?
DP: What I call it is building momentum through mass literature
distributions, and I think it's an absolutely critical part of
what we're doing organization-wide. First, myself and tons of
other members have tried to legitimately place ads in newspapers
and other periodicals -- and just look at the heat we're getting
from the billboard. I even tried to place an ad in the Rio Grande
Celtic Festival and Highland Games program one time, and they
took the money -- but then somebody whispered that National
Vanguard Books might sell Politically Incorrect books, and I was
out. So that's when I decided that the best thing I could do was
to build my own personal ability to communicate with my
community. That's what Alliance members are doing around the
country. My vision of the natural progression of this is to have
some kind of nationally distributed printed newspaper within the
next five years, with an ability to have it printed regionally.
It's kind of a big goal, but I definitely think it's achievable.
If we can provide our people with a constant steady stream of
'hey, this is our message, and we're putting it right on your
doorstep so you don't have to look over your shoulder while
you're reading it, and you don't have to worry about Internet
monitors or whatever freaky stuff you have at work or at home, or
anything that anybody imagines.' They can take this information
and quietly digest it; read it ten, twenty, thirty times --
however many times they want. And then, as they've progressed to
the level of contacting us, they will... just naturally, as the
next step, I think.
KAS: I get a lot of correspondence from Local Units and from
members who are crafting one-page flyers to address a burning
issue in their community, be it Black-on-White crime or a
particularly sensational trial or something that's going on in
their local community. So you foresee the one-page flyer
eventually evolving into a kind of community newspaper?
DP: Yes, that's exactly my vision of us building our ability to
put this kind of material out on a regular basis. And I might
just add that if we follow the example that our government, Uncle
Sam, has given us over the last few years, we'd be flyering en
masse. Whenever they have to distribute or disseminate
information into a hostile area, they fly really low with C-130s
and they kick out flyers over the area...
KAS: I've noticed that, yes!
DP: They did it in Afghanistan, and in fact I think they did it
in Serbia as well.
KAS: Are our literature campaigns coordinated regionally or
DP: Two years ago we did not have any nationally-coordinated
literature distributions. The first one that we had that was
successful -- I what I mean by successful is that more than three
or four Units took part in it -- was the literature distribution
we did on the one-year anniversary of the murder of one of our
activists, Eric Hanson. So we did the Eric Hanson Memorial
Literature Distribution. And since then, they've really taken
off. We did one on Dr. Pierce's birthday, immediately following
his death, which was our biggest one to date: 154,000 flyers over
a four-day period.
KAS: How many go out on an annual basis?
DP: Over the last two years we've broke a half million a year.
This last year was 543,291 -- roughly, as I may not have even
gotten them all.
KAS: Those are the ones that were reported to you.
KAS: What's the reaction of the media to our distributions?
DP: The reaction is almost always negative. And that's one of the
things that makes me think it's something good to do.
KAS: Would you also say that there almost always is a reaction?
DP: I would say over 50% of the time there is some kind of a
reaction. I've been trying to track the numbers on it exactly.
It's a little difficult right now, but hopefully in the next year
we'll have a better format for doing it. Right now the majority
of our literature distributions bring us some kind of mention in
the media. Sometimes it's an all-out every news carrier or
newspaper in the area -- for instance, say, in Nebraska, if we
put out literature there it's a huge media event. If we put out
literature in Detroit, maybe one news station will pick it up,
and that is pretty successful literature distribution -- the same
with Chicago or other parts of the country with these big
KAS: So it's a little harder to get noticed in the big towns.
DP: Absolutely. The large cities represent our largest Units, but
also our largest challenges.
KAS: Now the media, naturally -- controlled by an ethnic group
that doesn't want White people to understand their great peril
and the threats that face us -- try to twist our message, don't
DP: I see that all the time. They tried to especially twist it
during the recent Martin Luther King literature distribution,
which, by the way, was a national literature distribution but was
not coordinated by me. We had almost 50,000 flyers go out that
KAS: People were inspired...
DP: Oh, yes! They love to hand out that Beast as Saint flyer -- I
love to hand it out, too. What the media were trying to do there
was trying to twist us into some kind of 'scared' or 'envious'
group, kind of thrashing about over the final death of the
Confederacy or something. Another media-twisting that happened
recently was on the aforementioned billboard, where they were
reporting that we were a spin-off of the American Nazi Party,
that Tim McVeigh was one of our members...
KAS: Completely bogus garbage.
DP: Yes. We were responsible for everything but tooth decay.
KAS: (laughter) What is the 'Love Your Race' campaign?
DP: Ah, the 'Love Your Race' campaign. That's a concept we came
up with. First there was this lovely flyer -- Love Your Race --
with a beautiful young White woman on it, very picturesque. It
was just kind of an available flyer that I had put out before up
here in Alaska with the Anchorage Unit, but I never really
noticed anybody else putting it out. So I decided we needed to do
a 'Love Your Race' Valentine's Day literature distribution, and
not only make it in North America, but make it worldwide.
Something that would be in different languages -- 'Love Your
Race' has been translated into -- I'm pretty sure -- 25 different
languages at this point.
KAS: I think we've got 28 up now, and there are a couple more
translations that have come in that we need to get up before
DP: That's fantastic. It's an extremely simple flyer. It just has
'Love Your Race,' the picture of this beautiful lady, and then
our url natall.com (and some have natvan.com too, because of the
denial of service attacks that we've experienced lately). And so
the campaign is basically giving a Valentine's Day card to our
race. Something extremely positive. I'm sure the media will find
ways to twist it -- but they're going to have to work to twist
KAS: It's really hard to criticize 'Love Your Race.'
DP: You know, it doesn't even say love the White race -- and
that's what I mean when I put it out; love your race, love our
race. But it's one of those 'self-determination for all,
oppression for none' kind of flyers -- saying each group should
have as its goal the self-determination of their own people. I
have no problem with that. That's what makes me a White
nationalist. I believe everybody should have that. Hopefully,
with this flyer, we can convey that idea around the world. And
it's also something that, in countries where they have different
'hate crime' laws, it won't cause any legal problems for our
activists in other countries.
KAS: How many pledges have come in so far?
DP: So, just the Alliance pledges are over 70,000.
KAS: Wow. How can members or supporters of the National Alliance
help in this campaign?
DP: We've provided several links -- we have a link on natall.com
and natvan.com; we have one on the National Alliance's news site,
nationalvanguard.org, in fact it's a nice heart with a Life Rune
symbol on it. If you click on that, it will go right to the
campaign. And we also have the link available on resistance.com.
KAS: I understand there's a thread about it both on the
resistance.com forum and on the stormfront.org forum also.
DP: Yes, I should have mentioned Stormfront right off the bat.
Stormfront is key in the organization of this. Stormfront is an
online community of Whites that actually is reaching out into the
real world in a big way. I believe that they're the fifth largest
forum in the world, just among regular forums. They have a
membership of over 24,000 -- and that's active users.
KAS: So people can go to any one of these sites and forums; they
can find a link to the flyer, the one in their particular
language in fact; they can download it; print it out; have it
quick-copied; and they're ready to go. Let's hope we can get the
pledges over the 100,000 mark before V-day, as we call it,
DP: The 70,000 figure that I just gave out, those are only
National Alliance people, those are only the ones that I can
speak for 100%.
KAS: So it's certain it will be more than that...
DP: Yes, it's certain. Those don't count any of the other
countries. I should have made that clear; I apologize.
KAS: Oh, very good... so possibly it may be over 100,000 now.
DP: Yes, it very well could be.
We'll continue our discussion of White community-building with
National Alliance Membership Coordinator David Pringle on our
next American Dissident Voices. As Mr. Pringle was speaking, you
probably could hear his children in the background. I know David
Pringle -- and I know that his children, and their future, are
the main reasons he is doing what he's doing. David Pringle and
our other leaders and members are standing up for our people.
White families and White children are the motivation. Our
activism is centered on our love for our race. Love your race.
Please join us.