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Love Your Race:
An Interview with David Pringle,
Part 1

American Dissident Voices broadcast
February 7, 2004
by Kevin Alfred Strom

 

Welcome to American Dissident Voices. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom. On today's program we welcome to our microphones for the first time the Membership Coordinator of the National Alliance -- the leading organization standing up for the interests of White people in the world today -- Mr. David Pringle.
 
KAS: Welcome, David.
 
David Pringle: Thank you, Kevin; it's a pleasure to be on the show.
 
KAS: Before we start discussing some of the things we're doing now, can you give our listeners a little background on what your job description is as Membership Coordinator?
 
DP: My job, in a nutshell, is to oversee the day-to-day activities of our members and Units across the world. Currently we have 37 active Units and proto-Units, mixed in with members not currently affiliated with a specific Unit. Communicating with these people is, literally, 80%. of my job, and it takes quite a bit of time. I'm also in charge of recruiting and membership retention -- the latter being, in the past, an area that the organization hasn't focused enough on, I believe. I also act as a liaison between our membership and our Chairman. The part I enjoy the most about my job, I'd have to say, is building personal relationships with the fine men and women of the National Alliance -- which is why I have focused so much of my energy on attending local and regional meetings.
 
KAS: Can you tell us a little about your family background, David -- Where did you grow up? What are your passions in life?
 
DP: Well, I was raised in a practicing LDS -- more popularly known as Mormon -- family. Many of my ancestors were part of the great trek to Salt Lake City, and part of the Mormon battalion and the spread of Mormonism across the West, so that's basically where my rooting came from. I was born on the East coast in Morristown, New Jersey, and my father, who has a PhD in Electro-optical engineering from Stanford, transferred around the East coast quite a bit and then went out to the West to work for a company, and so we moved to southern California. I moved there when I was about eight years old, and lived there until I went to high school, at which time we moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico and that's pretty much where I lived until I moved to where I live now in Alaska. In the latter of the two, of course, I've had plenty of experience with the Mestizos and watched southern California and New Mexico both go from relatively majority-White communities to barrios and sub-barrios... and, well, it wasn't pleasant; it's one of the reasons I left New Mexico.
 
My passions in life would be my family, and then what I call the three "G's" -- which are guns, guitars and German Shepherds. As a young man I was in the infantry, and I also grew up through the Boy Scouts. And through personal shooting time with my father I gained an appreciation for the fine art of legal weaponry.
 
And I enjoy playing guitars. It's a good way to relieve stress or to allow your most creative parts to come out.
 
KAS: I've heard you play and improvise and sing -- and you're very good. And I've met one of your dogs, too.
 
DP: Ah, yes. The German shepherds. I've had many breeds, and that breed -- I'm, of course, prejudiced in favor of them -- but I believe they're a superior breed and I wouldn't go anywhere without one.
 
KAS: Are there any lessons, you think, for the National Alliance in your Mormon background?
 
DP: I do. One thing I've noticed -- my wife has noticed this also, and several of our good friends -- is that there is a disproportionate amount of Mormons in the Alliance. I would even go as far as saying, while I don't have the statistics to back it up, that they probably represent one of the larger sub-groups within the organization. The reasons, I believe, are several. For instance, my mother and my father are very big in genealogical circles. They not only do it for the Church, but they do it semi-professionally, and so I always grew up knowing about where I came from, and where my ancestors came from, and what they did -- not just names on a graph, but their histories. And that's the way it is for a lot of other Mormons, who grew up in the same kind of background that I did… Also it's the community that's created. You know, Mormonism isn't something where you just go to church on Sunday like quite a lot of churches. There's always something going on at the local ward. Always. And it's youth-oriented and family-oriented. That's one the directions in which I personally have worked on taking the Alliance. I love to see children at meetings, I love to see families -- not only at meetings but at events -- and I think it complements us to make the Alliance something that's so family and community-oriented.
 
KAS: How long have you been a member of the National Alliance?
 
DP: I joined the Alliance in 1992, not long after I got out of the military.
 
KAS: What first brought you to an understanding of racial issues?
 
DP: I was serving in the Middle East, in the Sinai, in what they call the Multinational Force and Observers -- it's something like 13 nations based out of Rome, and it's part of the peace accord that was set up there between Egypt and Israel. I was what they called a transportation NCO, and I was in charge of making sure that everybody at the remote observation post got their water and fuel and everything else that they needed.
 
As part of my job, I would go out to observation posts and we would do something called aerial re-supply. In a nutshell that's sling-loading equipment and supplies up to a mountainous observation post. And there was one that we went to every week. One week the Bedouins who were always there -- in fact, they represented our biggest problem: keeping them out of our lunch pail every day -- came up with a severely injured eight- or nine-year-old boy who had third degree-plus burns on the lower half of his body. And there was a language barrier. We couldn't really communicate with them to find out what happened -- although for the boy it was irrelevant -- so we took one of our helicopters off of the mission and had him flown to Elat, Israel which is at the tip of the Gulf of Aqaba. It was probably about a 30 minute helicopter ride there. We went back to our business, and it was maybe about an hour later when one of my troops told me that he just saw the helicopter flying back the other way, and so I wanted to see why they weren't going to come back and help us. And he tells me that Israel wouldn't take the kid because he was an Arab, and they don't give medical treatment to Arabs. The pilot was going to have to fly him back to our place which was called South Camp, by Sharm el Sheikh. That got not only myself, but every single other person there, to thinking: Why the heck wouldn't they take that boy?
 
KAS: Jewish supremacism in action.
 
DP: It was. And right about that exact same time we had all these racial tensions and so I started, you know, feeling and thinking more racially. And it just kind of took off from there.
 
KAS: The Alliance has many ways of reaching out to White people. Anyone listening to this program or reading this transcript knows about our radio and Internet outreach, but what else do we have?
 
DP: We publish three magazines: National Vanguard; Free Speech; and Resistance magazine. We also publish our monthly membership Bulletin, which goes out to our members and supporters. We have two other weekly radio programs. One is NA Live, which is a weekly call-in program featuring National Alliance Chief Operations Officer Shaun Walker and myself, and National Vanguard Books radio, which features St. Louis radio personality Frank Weltner.
 
KAS: Yes, he's a really funny guy.
 
DP: He is a funny guy. He's also known as the Couch Potato [on a local St. Louis station, WGNU].
 
KAS: Right; he's a lot of fun -- and he's a bright guy too; a lot of insights there.
 
DP: I haven't listened to all of his shows I have to admit, but I've heard quite a few of them and I listened to a few samples before we put him on the air.
 
KAS: So on your show, though, people can actually call in?
 
DP: Right, and that's on halturnershow.com on the Turner Radio Network, so it's strictly an Internet-only radio show, but it's interactive and you can listen to it in Real Player, or Winamp, or in your browser -- and you can call in.
 
KAS: That's every Thursday night?
 
DP: Yes; every Thursday night eleven to midnight, East Coast time.
 
KAS: Some of our Florida members are very persistent in using the rather unusual medium of billboards. What can you tell us about that?
 
DP: Our Tampa Bay unit did it. They're an extremely active unit, and this is their third attempt at having a billboard up. I believe the first one lasted a week; the second one, maybe three weeks; and this one's been up since August.
 
KAS: So they are persistent. They don't give up!
 
DP: They are persistent. Basically, it was pretty easy. They got one member who had good credit to sign an agreement with the sign company for set amount of money per month for a year; that significantly reduces the price of the sign per month. Then, through the sign company… we actually have a sign company now who will make these huge nylon screens -- they're 20 feet tall - they basically just print it out on a giant printing press and slap it up on the board with turnbuckles. Apparently these are very threatening... to Jews, especially. I'm sure Michael Eisner didn't like driving past it every morning on the way to work.
 
KAS: This was near Orlando then?
 
DP: This was on the Florida Turnpike between Orlando and Tampa Bay.
 
KAS: Not only did a lot of people see the billboard that said "Who Rules America? -- natvan.com," but isn't it true the number of people who saw it in the newspapers and on the TV news might even have been greater?
 
DP: That story was basically as close as we've had -- aside from Eagle, Colorado -- to a story going just flat-out national, with Peter Jennings talking about it at the beginning of ABC News...
 
KAS: Now you mentioned Eagle, Colorado… what was that all about?
That was a literature distribution, correct?
 
DP: That was a literature distribution up there with a flyer that's still available on natvan.com.
 
KAS: That's our 'Don't Have Sex With Blacks' flyer.
 
DP: Yes, the 'Don't Have Sex With Blacks' flyer… And that distribution was picked up by the AP wire and it just went nuts, literally across the world. I believe at the final count there were some 120 newspaper articles -- and I couldn't even tell you how many radio shows… I did three radio interviews within the period of an hour one morning.
 
KAS: Why was that one flyer so hot at that time, and in that place?
 
DP: Well, Kobe Bryant is accused of raping a young Eagle, Colorado girl.
 
KAS: He was just coming up for trial at that time, or arraignment?
 
DP: His arraignment and preliminary hearings were scheduled for then. We asked our members in Colorado if they couldn't do an awareness-building campaign about the dangers of having sex with Blacks. Whether the young girl was raped or not, or whether Kobe Bryant did it or not was irrelevant to the goals of the distribution. What we did was take the Kobe Bryant issue and use it to bring awareness to one that's much more important. That girl would never have been raped or even been in the situation that led to being raped had she been fully advised that Black males between the ages of 14 and 24 represent 63% of new HIV/AIDS cases in America.
 
KAS: How important are these literature distributions in awakening our people? How do they help us?
 
DP: What I call it is building momentum through mass literature distributions, and I think it's an absolutely critical part of what we're doing organization-wide. First, myself and tons of other members have tried to legitimately place ads in newspapers and other periodicals -- and just look at the heat we're getting from the billboard. I even tried to place an ad in the Rio Grande Celtic Festival and Highland Games program one time, and they took the money -- but then somebody whispered that National Vanguard Books might sell Politically Incorrect books, and I was out. So that's when I decided that the best thing I could do was to build my own personal ability to communicate with my community. That's what Alliance members are doing around the country. My vision of the natural progression of this is to have some kind of nationally distributed printed newspaper within the next five years, with an ability to have it printed regionally. It's kind of a big goal, but I definitely think it's achievable. If we can provide our people with a constant steady stream of 'hey, this is our message, and we're putting it right on your doorstep so you don't have to look over your shoulder while you're reading it, and you don't have to worry about Internet monitors or whatever freaky stuff you have at work or at home, or anything that anybody imagines.' They can take this information and quietly digest it; read it ten, twenty, thirty times -- however many times they want. And then, as they've progressed to the level of contacting us, they will... just naturally, as the next step, I think.
 
KAS: I get a lot of correspondence from Local Units and from members who are crafting one-page flyers to address a burning issue in their community, be it Black-on-White crime or a particularly sensational trial or something that's going on in their local community. So you foresee the one-page flyer eventually evolving into a kind of community newspaper?
 
DP: Yes, that's exactly my vision of us building our ability to put this kind of material out on a regular basis. And I might just add that if we follow the example that our government, Uncle Sam, has given us over the last few years, we'd be flyering en masse. Whenever they have to distribute or disseminate information into a hostile area, they fly really low with C-130s and they kick out flyers over the area...
 
KAS: I've noticed that, yes!
 
DP: They did it in Afghanistan, and in fact I think they did it in Serbia as well.
 
KAS: Are our literature campaigns coordinated regionally or nationally now?
 
DP: Two years ago we did not have any nationally-coordinated literature distributions. The first one that we had that was successful -- I what I mean by successful is that more than three or four Units took part in it -- was the literature distribution we did on the one-year anniversary of the murder of one of our activists, Eric Hanson. So we did the Eric Hanson Memorial Literature Distribution. And since then, they've really taken off. We did one on Dr. Pierce's birthday, immediately following his death, which was our biggest one to date: 154,000 flyers over a four-day period.
 
KAS: How many go out on an annual basis?
 
DP: Over the last two years we've broke a half million a year. This last year was 543,291 -- roughly, as I may not have even gotten them all.
 
KAS: Those are the ones that were reported to you.
 
DP: Yes.
 
KAS: What's the reaction of the media to our distributions?
 
DP: The reaction is almost always negative. And that's one of the things that makes me think it's something good to do.
 
KAS: Would you also say that there almost always is a reaction?
 
DP: I would say over 50% of the time there is some kind of a reaction. I've been trying to track the numbers on it exactly. It's a little difficult right now, but hopefully in the next year we'll have a better format for doing it. Right now the majority of our literature distributions bring us some kind of mention in the media. Sometimes it's an all-out every news carrier or newspaper in the area -- for instance, say, in Nebraska, if we put out literature there it's a huge media event. If we put out literature in Detroit, maybe one news station will pick it up, and that is pretty successful literature distribution -- the same with Chicago or other parts of the country with these big megalopolises.
 
KAS: So it's a little harder to get noticed in the big towns.
 
DP: Absolutely. The large cities represent our largest Units, but also our largest challenges.
 
KAS: Now the media, naturally -- controlled by an ethnic group that doesn't want White people to understand their great peril and the threats that face us -- try to twist our message, don't they?
 
DP: I see that all the time. They tried to especially twist it during the recent Martin Luther King literature distribution, which, by the way, was a national literature distribution but was not coordinated by me. We had almost 50,000 flyers go out that weekend.
 
KAS: People were inspired...
 
DP: Oh, yes! They love to hand out that Beast as Saint flyer -- I love to hand it out, too. What the media were trying to do there was trying to twist us into some kind of 'scared' or 'envious' group, kind of thrashing about over the final death of the Confederacy or something. Another media-twisting that happened recently was on the aforementioned billboard, where they were reporting that we were a spin-off of the American Nazi Party, that Tim McVeigh was one of our members...
 
KAS: Completely bogus garbage.
 
DP: Yes. We were responsible for everything but tooth decay.
 
KAS: (laughter) What is the 'Love Your Race' campaign?
 
DP: Ah, the 'Love Your Race' campaign. That's a concept we came up with. First there was this lovely flyer -- Love Your Race -- with a beautiful young White woman on it, very picturesque. It was just kind of an available flyer that I had put out before up here in Alaska with the Anchorage Unit, but I never really noticed anybody else putting it out. So I decided we needed to do a 'Love Your Race' Valentine's Day literature distribution, and not only make it in North America, but make it worldwide. Something that would be in different languages -- 'Love Your Race' has been translated into -- I'm pretty sure -- 25 different languages at this point.
 
KAS: I think we've got 28 up now, and there are a couple more translations that have come in that we need to get up before Valentine's Day.
 
DP: That's fantastic. It's an extremely simple flyer. It just has 'Love Your Race,' the picture of this beautiful lady, and then our url natall.com (and some have natvan.com too, because of the denial of service attacks that we've experienced lately). And so the campaign is basically giving a Valentine's Day card to our race. Something extremely positive. I'm sure the media will find ways to twist it -- but they're going to have to work to twist it.
 
KAS: It's really hard to criticize 'Love Your Race.'
 
DP: You know, it doesn't even say love the White race -- and that's what I mean when I put it out; love your race, love our race. But it's one of those 'self-determination for all, oppression for none' kind of flyers -- saying each group should have as its goal the self-determination of their own people. I have no problem with that. That's what makes me a White nationalist. I believe everybody should have that. Hopefully, with this flyer, we can convey that idea around the world. And it's also something that, in countries where they have different 'hate crime' laws, it won't cause any legal problems for our activists in other countries.
 
KAS: How many pledges have come in so far?
 
DP: So, just the Alliance pledges are over 70,000.
 
KAS: Wow. How can members or supporters of the National Alliance
help in this campaign?
 
DP: We've provided several links -- we have a link on natall.com and natvan.com; we have one on the National Alliance's news site, nationalvanguard.org, in fact it's a nice heart with a Life Rune symbol on it. If you click on that, it will go right to the campaign. And we also have the link available on resistance.com.
 
KAS: I understand there's a thread about it both on the resistance.com forum and on the stormfront.org forum also.
 
DP: Yes, I should have mentioned Stormfront right off the bat. Stormfront is key in the organization of this. Stormfront is an online community of Whites that actually is reaching out into the real world in a big way. I believe that they're the fifth largest forum in the world, just among regular forums. They have a membership of over 24,000 -- and that's active users.
 
KAS: So people can go to any one of these sites and forums; they can find a link to the flyer, the one in their particular language in fact; they can download it; print it out; have it quick-copied; and they're ready to go. Let's hope we can get the pledges over the 100,000 mark before V-day, as we call it, arrives.
 
DP: The 70,000 figure that I just gave out, those are only National Alliance people, those are only the ones that I can speak for 100%.
 
KAS: So it's certain it will be more than that...
 
DP: Yes, it's certain. Those don't count any of the other countries. I should have made that clear; I apologize.
 
KAS: Oh, very good... so possibly it may be over 100,000 now.
 
DP: Yes, it very well could be.

We'll continue our discussion of White community-building with National Alliance Membership Coordinator David Pringle on our next American Dissident Voices. As Mr. Pringle was speaking, you probably could hear his children in the background. I know David Pringle -- and I know that his children, and their future, are the main reasons he is doing what he's doing. David Pringle and our other leaders and members are standing up for our people. White families and White children are the motivation. Our activism is centered on our love for our race. Love your race. Please join us.

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