American Dissident Voices broadcast
September 27, 2003
Kevin Alfred Strom
with Roger Williams
This week we welcome to American Dissident Voices Mr. Roger
Williams, the Western States Regional Coordinator for the
National Alliance. Welcome, Roger.
Roger Williams: Thanks for having me; it's a pleasure to be here.
Kevin Alfred Strom: What is a 'regional coordinator'? What do you
do for the National Alliance?
RW: Basically, I'm a coordinator for the western states, and my
primary responsibilities include helping to organize activities
in the area, establishing and maintaining good communication
among members throughout the region, acting as a spokesperson if
we have any media requests, and assisting the National Office
with facilitating organizational activities. If we have a
country-wide effort, I am the intermediary between the National
Office and members in the region.
KAS: Now one of the things that you and all of our coordinators
have been doing recently is distributing large quantities of
National Alliance pamphlets and flyers all over the country. How
do our activists -- our members -- participate in that kind of
RW: Leaflets can be handed out on a person-to-person basis; we
can leaflet parking lots; or we can have massive literature
distributions where we go throughout residential neighborhoods
and distribute our material like newspapers. Going along those
lines allows us to get out a lot more literature than we'd be
able to otherwise. We can literally get out thousands of leaflets
in a matter of hours.
KAS: Now the Alliance as a whole gave out something like half a
million pieces of literature last year, didn't it?
RW: Yes, sir. And we set our own goals based on our previous
achievements. So we're going to steadily climb from there.
KAS: I understand that starting earlier this month we put out
something in the range of 100,000 pieces in one week.
RW: Yes, that's right. We just completed our Dr. William Pierce
Memorial distribution, which is the second time we've done that.
It coincidentally falls on September 11th because that was Dr.
Pierce's birthday. You're absolutely right -- it was one of the
huge countrywide campaigns that we do throughout the year.
KAS: Now you mentioned that this is just like what the companies
do who give away free newspapers in a given city. So there's
nothing clandestine or illegal about these literature
distribution campaigns, is there?
RW: Absolutely not. And I would expand on that to say that,
Constitutionally, we are guaranteed the right to distribute this
literature -- whereas some of these free newspapers that you
referred to may face municipal restrictions and that sort of
thing that prevent them from distributing literature in the same
way we do. The Supreme Court has specifically addressed this
issue. As you know, the First Amendment guarantees to us the
right of freedom of speech. And over the years the Supreme Court
has applied this to literature distributions as well.
KAS: Now something very tragic -- something very wrong -- has
happened to one of our members who was helping with our
literature drive: A Mr. Dan Schildhauer. Who is Dan Schildhauer?
RW: Dan is a friend and a fellow member of the National Alliance.
He's a happily-married father with one infant child and another
on the way. He's a proud White man who isn't afraid to stand up
for his beliefs.
KAS: Like many of our other members, he was giving away free
literature -- in the state of Nebraska, I believe. Is that right?
RW: That's correct -- in a small town near the Nebraska-Wyoming
KAS: Now, while he was doing this he was stopped by a police
officer and given the usual registration/license/insurance
routine. Now in America we have free speech, and it really
shouldn't matter, but what was the nature of the National
Alliance material that Dan was giving out?
RW: The title was 'Immigration or Invasion?' It pointed out the
problems with illegal immigration. Graphically, it showed a map
of the U.S. being invaded from Mexico.
KAS: So he gets stopped by a police officer. What happens? They
asked for his license and registration; but was there any
evidence that this traffic stop was political or became political
or racial after it started?
RW: Yes, absolutely. The officer had been tailing them for
several minutes before he pulled them over. The registration on
the vehicle that Dan was driving had expired. But it became
abundantly clear, very quickly, that the reason for the traffic
stop was to investigate the literature distribution -- the
perfectly legal literature distribution. The officer who happened
to pull these guys over was a Mestizo, and he was not at all
happy about the literature. Like I said a second ago, it
specifically addressed 'Hispanic' or Mexican immigration into
this country. So he was hostile from the beginning and had a very
seriously negative attitude towards our members.
KAS: So Mr. Schildhauer did have to jump through a few legal
hoops -- he had to go down to the police station -- but all of
those paperwork concerns about his registration were taken care
RW: That is correct. In fact, the registration citation was
dropped almost immediately. What happened was that, as I said,
the officer was very hostile and had a bad attitude toward our
members, and he would not even let them move the vehicle. What
normally would have been a routine traffic stop and citation for
registration, where people are normally allowed to move their
vehicle, became a situation in which this officer was so upset
that he would not let them move the vehicle. He subsequently
impounded it, and when they went to get the vehicle -- and were
surprised that it had been impounded -- they were informed that
they had to 'talk to' the very same officer before they could get
their vehicle out. Well, they immediately called a lawyer, the
lawyer called the District Attorney, and the District Attorney
dropped all the charges and released the vehicle. It was
illegally impounded and that was pointed out to the District
Attorney and the District Attorney dropped all the charges.
KAS: So at this point all the charges are dropped -- there are no
charges against Mr. Schildhauer -- Dan thought it was all over.
What did he say? What did he do?
RW: Neither one of our members, I'm proud to say, were at all
frazzled by this. They handled themselves exactly the way they're
supposed to. As soon as they got to another vehicle -- they
actually had to hitch a ride from some passers-by -- they had
more literature in the other vehicle and they immediately began
distributing literature again.
KAS: Very good. After the charges were dropped, though, something
else happened. Did not the media get involved?
RW: That's right. This happened on a Friday. The next Monday
morning there was an article written about the literature
distribution and in this article they mentioned Dan's full name
and the article was titled 'White Supremacists...' do something
or another, I don't remember the exact name. Needless to say, in
a small town like the one they live in, in Nebraska, this became
big news really fast. All of the local radio stations picked it
up, and several of the other local papers in the surrounding
communities picked it up. So it was the talk of the town, really
quick. So, by the time Dan got to work that Monday morning,
everybody in town knew about it. He told me that when he went in
there that some of his colleagues whom he considered his friends,
with whom he'd had an amicable relationship, would not even look
him in the eye. That really disturbed him. He wasn't saddened by
it -- he was disappointed. Because he said he realized then who
his friends were -- or, more appropriately, who they were not.
these people who would not make eye contact with him definitely
were not his friends. The same day that everyone is giving him
the cold shoulder, he gets called into his supervisor's office,
and they inform him that he's being suspended while they
'investigate' this perfectly legal literature distribution. That
went on for a little over a week, and they terminated his
employment after that. And the 'reason' given for terminating his
employment was that Nebraska is an "employment at will" state,
which basically by legal definition means that they can terminate
you at any time, at their will.
KAS: So the place where he works hears these smears on local talk
radio, reads about them in the local newspaper, supposedly
'investigates,' and then after one week fires him. What is the
name of the firm where he worked?
RW: The name is Cabela's. Cabela's is a major retailer of hunting
and fishing and outdoor gear.
KAS: So this is not just a local Nebraska company. This is a
RW: Absolutely. It's one of the largest catalogue retailers in
the country, certainly for outdoor sporting gear.
KAS: So this firm Cabela's sells sporting goods -- fishing gear,
outdoor gear, tents, guns -- that sort of thing?
RW: That's right.
KAS: And was there any reason given by them for the termination
of Dan Schildhauer -- any specific reason?
RW: No specific reason.
KAS: How long had Dan worked for Cabela's?
RW: I do not know exactly, but I know he had been there several
KAS: Were there any alleged problems with his performance as a
RW: Absolutely not. He had a perfect record. During his
employment he had no violations or probations or anything to that
effect. He was from all accounts a perfect employee.
KAS: So as far as we can tell this is strictly political.
RW: Absolutely. There's no indication that it could be for any
KAS: I wonder if Cabela's has ever done this sort of thing to a
Mexican or a Black employee who might belong to the NAACP or
Mecha or whatever.
RW: Well, I'm pretty sure that if they had we would have heard
about it on CNN, ABC, NBC, and everything else. It would have
been national news, no doubt about it. And they would have had
Jesse Jackson and everyone else out there protesting against
Cabela's for discriminating, or for violating the civil rights of
the Mestizo or Black, or whatever the other situation might have
KAS: Well, it seems to me that this definitely is ethnic
targeting of White people.
RW: I don't see any other explanation for it. As you said, if it
he had belonged to a protected 'minority group,' he wouldn't be
in this situation.
KAS: Imagine if he had been a homosexual instead of a
happily-married family man, and he had been fired for handing out
RW: I imagine a homosexual could probably get away with doing
that at work, around his employers and while he was on the clock.
But for a proud White man to do something like that, it's a
totally different situation. There's a double standard that's
going to be applied. And I think we all realize that.
KAS: Now tell me about Mr. Schildhauer's family again. Does he
have any dependents to support?
RW: He does. He has a young infant son, who I believe is six or
seven months old. His wife is pregnant right now; they're
expecting their second child within months. So the timing was
very bad indeed for them. He lost his employment, he lost his
income, he lost his health benefits, he lost his career. The
timing is not good at all. In that small town, where Cabela's is
the largest employer, it certainly limits your options for
seeking alternate employment.
KAS: As, I imagine, does the publicity.
KAS: How has this affected Dan personally? What has he said to
RW: You know, that's one of the things that really motivates me
to jump on this and to help organize this boycott. He's been
nothing but strong through this whole process. I remember the day
that he called me and told me that he'd been terminated from his
job. He was ready to go out and distribute more literature. And
he wasn't doing that for any other reason than the fact that he
knew he had done nothing wrong. He knew, actually, that he had
done something right. His realization of that fact just made him
want to do even more. The guy's just... commendable. There's no
other explanation for it. I'm proud to know him personally and
I'm proud to be in an organization with him. If we had more
members like him, we would have it made.
KAS: As far as I'm concerned, Roger, this is an outrageous way to
treat a loyal employee, who was just doing his patriotic duty as
he saw it. He was exercising one of the most treasured rights we
have as Americans -- at least one of the rights we're supposed to
have: the right to speak out freely on issues of public
importance. What Cabela's has done is intolerable.
RW: I agree.
KAS: Is there anything we can do -- as patriots, as gun owners,
as supporters of free speech, as National Alliance members --
about the way Dan Schildhauer has been treated by Cabela's?
RW: Absolutely. The National Alliance is officially kicking off
its Boycott Cabela's campaign today. Along with this we're
launching a Boycott Cabela's Web site, which is at
http://www.boycottcabelas.com/ . On this Web site we have all the
information anyone would need, not only to learn more about what
happened, but also to help participate in the boycott.
KAS: Can you give us a brief overview of what's on the Boycott
Cabela's Web site?
RW: What we want to do -- and the Web site helps facilitate this
as well as our other means of communication like these American
Dissident Voices broadcasts -- is for everyone to boycott
Cabela's. If you currently shop there, we want you to stop
shopping there. For those who have never shopped there before, we
want them to support the boycott by not only agreeing to never
shop at Cabela's, but to help us inform others about this
despicable company and what they have done. We want to send a
clear message to Cabela's that this sort of behavior is not going
to be tolerated. We need to communicate this to Cabela's -- and
we need to communicate it to others. We need to inform all of
Cabela's customers and potential customers about what Cabela's
has done. Then we need to get them to join us in this boycott.
The first part of this is just communication -- we need people to
communicate their outrage, whether they're customers or potential
customers. There's a simple process to do that. You asked about
the Web site -- it is all spelled out there. At a bare minimum,
we're asking people to do three things: We want people to make a
phone call; we want them to send a letter; and we want them to
send an email to Cabela's, communicating their outrage about what
has happened to Dan. The phone numbers, the mailing addresses,
the email addresses are all listed on the Web site. To help
facilitate the email and the letter writing, we have templates
that can be downloaded. Or people can just copy and paste from
the templates directly into their own documents. From there, all
that people have to do is put their names in the place that says
'your name here,' their addresses in the proper spot, sign it,
and drop it in an envelope and put it in the mail. For emails,
they can use the exact same text. We have the correct email
address. There's also an online form at the Cabela's site that we
have a link to. Those two steps are very easy. The other one is
making a phone call. They've got several 800 numbers that people
can call. All of the numbers will be listed on the Web site. And
they can call to voice their outrage at what happened to Dan.
KAS: It seems to me that there's got to be a big overlap between
Cabela's customer base and the American Dissident Voices
audience. I mean these people are outdoor enthusiasts, they're
mostly White, many of them are gun owners. It seems to me that
they're the kind of people who are going to be sickened at what
Cabela's has done to Dan Schildhauer. These are good American
RW: Absolutely. And I think that the majority of Cabela's
customers are going to be receptive. They're going to fall in the
same demographic category as far as race and age as the listeners
to this program. The exact same people we want to get help from
in order to address this issue.
KAS: Aren't there laws, Roger, which prevent political
terminations like this? Are civil rights groups being contacted
RW: I've encouraged Dan to write the ACLU. I've had limited
success with them in the past, but this 'employment at will'
thing I'm sure works well in certain situations such as when you
have someone who's always late or who has other issues with his
employment other than political speech. When they don't have
employment-related issues, I don't think this 'employment at
will' should hold up.
KAS: I think that law enforcement, and our congressmen, and the
Justice Department should all be brought in on this. We may not
have 100 per cent. in these politicians, but nevertheless we have
to go through channels and show everyone who has any potential
influence that we are not going to lie down and take this, that
this behavior by Cabela's is completely unacceptable.
RW: I agree. I think that we have a responsibility to do that.
KAS: What are you demanding that Cabela's do?
RW: Right now we are telling them that we would consider dropping
the boycott if they would reinstate Dan's employment at full pay,
with benefits, just like he was -- with a transfer to a store of
KAS: So we have contacted Cabela's as of this day, Saturday, and
given them a chance to make things right.
RW: That's correct. We sent an official letter to them explaining
what we're doing, who we are, why we're doing it, and what they
would need to do to get us to stop the boycott.
KAS: So what should our listeners do right now? Can they, right
at this moment, go the Boycott Cabela's Web site and find out
what they need to do?
RW: Yes. Hopefully you can give them some phone numbers at the
end of the program as well. But the site is active, and it has a
very intuitive setup. The steps that we want everybody to follow
are spelled out there. The whole process is facilitated; just
click on step 1, step 2, step 3, and follow the instructions.
It's very easy.
KAS: Well, not everyone is connected to the Internet, so after
our interview I will give the telephone number and postal address
for Cabela's. If people who are not online want to contact you
with ideas they might have to help in this campaign, how can they
RW: They can either write to me at National Alliance, Western
States Office, P.O. Box 2752, Denver CO 80201; or they can call
us at 303-273-5523. If listeners want more information, we'd
welcome the opportunity to explain it to them in more detail, and
hopefully get them to participate in this boycott.
KAS: Why should people care about what happened to Dan
Schildhauer? Why should they care at all?
RW: The White race is in danger. We're heading down a slippery
slope towards racial extinction. If we want to stop this, we need
to communicate. We need to warn our people about this. We need to
warn them about what is happening. We need to speak out. As long
as it is still legal for White men and women to speak freely, we
need to do so. And we should not have to worry about doing so. We
should not have to worry about getting fired for doing so. If we
are on our personal time -- away from our employer, away from our
co-workers -- we should be able to exercise our freedom of
speech. If we let Cabela's get away with this, what's going to
stop every other employer across the country from doing the same
thing? What happened to Dan Schildhauer can happen to almost any
KAS: Well, ladies and gentlemen, until we get justice for Dan
Schildhauer, who was unfairly fired from his job, putting his
infant child and another child on the way in jeopardy, for
exercising his freedom of speech -- until we get justice for this
man, I have just two words for you: Boycott Cabela's. I want to
thank you, Roger Williams, Western States Regional Coordinator
for the National Alliance, for being our guest on American
RW: Thank you, Kevin, for having me, and thanks in advance to
everybody out there who's going to help us with this boycott
You can call Cabela's at 1-800-237-8888, or write Cabela's Inc.,
One Cabela Drive, Sidney, NE 69162.
Until then, this is Kevin Alfred Strom reminding you to do right
and fear no one.