Resistance to Jewish Power:
and Zundel Case Update, Part 2
American Dissident Voices broadcast
September 20, 2003
Kevin Alfred Strom
with Roger Williams
He's never been convicted of a crime, yet he rots in jail without
a charge, denied access to his medicine and cruelly separated
from his wife. He's a legal American resident, married to an
American citizen, yet he was spirited away from his Tennessee
home and into a Canadian dungeon on the flimsiest of paperwork
pretexts. His name is Ernst Zundel, artist, pacifist, writer, and
thinker; and the reason -- the only reason -- he is treated in
this way is because he has dared to question the great historical
lies of the 20th century, the lies that the Jews are always the
victims and Gentiles the guilty. Today we conclude our talk with
historian Mark Weber, Director of the Institute for Historical
review on the Zundel case, which even Amnesty International has
hypocritically refused to take, and on the abuses and the
overreaching power of the Jewish establishment today. Later in
the program we'll tell you more on the case of the National
Alliance member fired for his political beliefs and about the
police department in Maryland which is backing off of its
attempts to restrict the First Amendment rights of National
Alliance members -- all on American Dissident Voices.
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Interview with Mark Weber, part 2:
KAS: It seems to me that free speech activists of all political
persuasions would be up in arms over what has happened in the
Zundel case. Have we made any inroads into the mainstream media
with this case?
MW: That brings up a really interesting point. Quite a few
supporters of Ernst Zundel's rights have brought this case to the
attention of Amnesty International and pleaded with them to
support his civil rights. And Amnesty International has rejected
that, contending that they don't support those who promote
'hate.' Well, that's a very elusive term. It's an amazing thing
that in the trials that took place, the ones that were in Canada
-- in fact, I was a witness in them, before this so-called Human
Rights Tribunal, the presiding commissioner (he's not really a
judge) stated explicitly that truth is no defense in these
matters. The truth of the thing is just irrelevant. And what it
really amounts to, this charge of so-called 'hate,' is the what
Jewish groups find offensive becomes criminal or becomes illegal.
That's just outrageous. A statement could even be true, but they
don't care. And that's a very very ominous thing. It points up
how the Amnesty International organization operates in a kind of
a 'PC' way. They're careful not to publicly support the freedom
of speech of a man who holds such Politically Incorrect views in
KAS: I wonder if it's possible to get a list of cases which
Amnesty International has refused. I wonder how long that list
is; and I wonder if there are any cases of Jewish 'haters' who
have been refused their services.
MW: Well, Amnesty International declared that Nelson Mandela was
not a political prisoner. They supported him even though he was
actually imprisoned for his complicity in a terrorist bomb plot.
But very few people know that. They just assume that Nelson
Mandela had been imprisoned for the peaceful expression of his
views. And that's just not the case. The Mandela case points up
that Amnesty International will bend its own principles for
Politically Correct reasons when it suits them. And I think the
Ernst Zundel case also points up that same thing.
KAS: It sounds like they're worse than useless, then.
MW: Well, they at least do uphold a certain principle. But when
any principle is applied selectively, then it's not real justice.
KAS: Are there any prominent Canadians speaking up on the Zundel
MW: I alluded to this earlier. There's a prominent Canadian
journalist named Bill Dunphy. He's a veteran investigative
reporter and editor for the daily Hamilton Spectator, and he
spent six years investigating Canada's so-called "White
supremacist movement." He got to know Ernst Zundel personally.
And although he has no sympathy for Zundel's views, in a column
he wrote in mid-May he was very critical of the whole case
against Ernst Zundel. He said "Our government has seized and
branded Ernst Zundel, stripped him of his human rights, tried him
in secret and found him wanting, and will now hand him over to a
foreign government anxious to throw him in jail. Zundel, who did
this country a favor by wiping off the books our disgraceful
'false news' laws, has never once been convicted of a criminal
offense in this country -- never once found to have violated the
hate crime laws that rest snugly around the throat of free
expression in this country." And he concluded, finally, that "the
case by the Canadian government against Ernst Zundel is a
shameful piece of dishonest, unreliable tripe." And he's not
alone. There was a Canadian weekly newspaper called The Eye, a
trendy giveaway paper that covers the arts especially, which said
that "Declaring Zundel a terrorist now is not the result of any
startling new information. It has to do with political pressure."
It condemned the case as well. The Times-Colonist newspaper in
Victoria, British Columbia, in an editorial titled "Even Zundel
Merits Fairness," was very critical of the trumped-up case
against him. Now those voices are rare in Canada, because it
takes a particular kind of courage to speak up for the rights of
someone who Jewish groups want to put in jail. And that's a very
important aspect of all of this. It points up the tremendous
power and influence that Jewish groups have in Canada and in
North America generally. Zundel would not be in jail today if
Jewish groups did not want him there. That's a point that needs
to be stressed over and over. It's unthinkable that any group has
that kind of power. As I said, it takes a lot of courage, and
it's rare for people to speak up for the rights of Ernst Zundel
when he's been so hounded, harassed and vilified in the media as
he has been.
KAS: Where is The Eye published?
MW: It's a Toronto weekly paper. And the Times-Colonist, as I
mentioned, ran an editorial stating that the case against Zundel
is really nonsense. I mean, the idea that whatever Ernst Zundel
has to say is going to bust apart Canadian society is just
childish. If Canadian society is that fragile, it deserves to
KAS: Well, there's a level of hypocrisy there that we also see in
political prosecutions in the United States. Clearly, no one
believes that Ernst Zundel's being free in Canada is going to
cause Canadian society to fall apart. Even his strongest critics,
though they may say that, clearly do not believe that. It's a
MW: Right. What Ernst Zundel wants to do is actually get out of
Canada and live quietly in Tennessee. That would save everybody a
whole lot of heartache and so forth. But, as I said, Canadian
Jewish groups -- the Canadian Jewish Congress, the League of
Human Rights of B'nai B'rith (a inappropriately named counterpart
of the ADL in this country), the Simon Wiesenthal Center -- are
all just demanding that Canadian authorities put Ernst on a plane
and send him off to Germany and put him in jail there, where they
hope no one will ever hear from him again.
KAS: It's an exercise in Jewish power. Are we seeing more of this
flexing of Jewish muscles, these exercises of Jewish power around
the world these days?
MW: I think, Kevin, we've seen in just the last few weeks
expressions of the flexing of this muscle, as you put it, and
with such an arrogant overreach. It's manifest in several things.
There was a cartoonist in Australia who did some cartoons that
were critical of Israel who was fired from his job. A book about
the mistreatment of Palestinian youth under occupation was
published in Britain, and Jewish groups in that country are
trying to ban the book. But the most interesting case to me is
the furor over Mel Gibson's new film called The Passion. Mel
Gibson has essentially taken the story of the suffering of Jesus
during the last twelve hours of his life as portrayed in the
gospels and made it into what is by all accounts a very moving
film. But Jewish groups want it banned. They want it stopped. In
effect, they want any film portrayal of the gospels banned. And
this is just incredible. They claim, for example, that it's wrong
to portray Jews as being responsible for or playing a role in the
death of Jesus in the movie or even in the gospels -- even
though, amazingly, the Jewish Talmud, this very prominent holy
writing for strict Jews, boasts about and claims credit for the
Jews in the death of Jesus. It's amazing; the film hasn't even
been shown publicly and already Jewish groups are alleging that
the film is stirring 'anti-Semitism' and 'hatred.' Well, what's
really stirring hostile feelings among many people isn't what's
in the film, it's what Jewish groups are doing to try to ban the
film even before it is released publicly. One of the incredible
things, as a friend of mine once said, is that Jewish groups act
as if non-Jews have Jews on the brain as much as Jews do
themselves. When Christians watch The Passion what they're
thinking of is the death and the suffering of Jesus. But when
Jews see the film, all they can concentrate on is 'what does it
mean for Jews?' The idea that Gentiles and Christians are so
reckless and out of control that they're going to go out and hurt
Jews because of a depiction of what some Jews did to Jesus 2,000
years ago is just incredible. Another example of this recently
was the whining and protesting of Israel's government about the
news coverage of the British Broadcasting Corporation, the BBC.
BBC radio has reported very factually on a number of aspects of
Israel's reality: its nuclear weapons stockpile, and its
mistreatment of Palestinians, for example. So Israel's government
declared that it was banning all cooperation with the BBC. And
one Israeli official said that the BBC was like "the worst of
Nazi propaganda." Well, this is just incredible -- if the BBC is
like the worst of Nazi propaganda, what does that say? -- both
about the BBC and about what the press in the Third Reich was
like during World War II. This is just tremendous overreach,
tremendously out of balance here.
KAS: Well, maybe the French ambassador to Israel was correct...
Israel is a paranoid country.
MW: Well, this may play well to Jews in the United States or in
Israel. But for 98 per cent. of the people in the world, for
people who can think on their own, this is just craziness, this
is madness taken to a high degree. I mean, we live in a society
where Jewish groups effectively insist on a Judeo-centric view of
the world. And anything that deviates from that is punished. So
countless films can be produced by Hollywood which are
anti-Christian or anti-White or which denigrate any number of
groups. But if one film comes out which portrays Jews in a less
than favorable way, Jewish groups go berserk. Even one film is
one too many as far as they're concerned. This is just madness.
The world can, in effect, choose between a view of the world
dictated by groups like the ADL -- or one in which there is
freedom of expression and freedom of inquiry. That's the kind of
choice, increasingly, that the world has to face. And that's
manifest, right now, in the treatment of Ernst Zundel.
KAS: Isn't this raw exercise of Jewish power, this overreaching
as you describe it, going hand in hand with a considerable degree
of drying up of support for the Jewish state around the world?
MW: Well, yes. One of the most important weapons that Jewish
groups have used, and that the state of Israel has used, over the
years to shore up its support is the whole 'Holocaust' campaign.
That well of sympathy was used to build a big museum in
Washington, and to set up an official U.S. government agency to
require so-called 'Holocaust studies' in schools. A lot of
mileage has been gotten out of that -- so much so that they were
able to shake down Switzerland, and banks, Germany, Austria, and
other countries for billions and billions of dollars, which went
to Israel and Jewish groups. But this well of guilt or good will
or whatever you want to call it is just about running to its end,
I think. Because the entire world is pretty strongly aware
(though less so in our country) about the brutal occupation of
Palestine, the oppression of the Palestinians, and Israel's
illegal occupation -- for more than 20 years! -- of parts of
Syria. I mean, it's just fantastic. The United States government,
at the behest of Israel, is threatening Syria -- even though
Syria's a country which has been a victim of Israel. It's
fantastic. It's just a topsy-turvy world. But there are more and
more voices speaking out against this. And I think something is
really profoundly changing all over the world.
KAS: Yes, it seems to me that it's only in the United States
where we have an almost total thralldom to Jewish power among the
citizenry. It seems to me that in Europe people are waking up
from this false dream of collective guilt about the Jews during
World War II.
MW: Something is changing. There's no question of that. Just a
few weeks ago, the longest-serving member of the British
Parliament -- his name is Tam Dalyell -- said that the American
government is controlled by a Jewish cabal which has gotten its
hands on (and directs) American foreign policy. Now unlike some
people in this country, who say something and then retract it
immediately when the pressure gets too strong, he didn't retract
his statement. There are more and more open and unafraid voices
in Europe -- but not just in Europe. All over the world, more and
more people are speaking out and acknowledging what is a fact of
life. And the fact of life is the tremendous power that Jewish
Zionist groups have in this country. And that they are able to
dictate their will to our senators, our congressmen, the
executive branch of our government, and so forth. Everybody
should be ashamed to live under a government that is so corrupt
that it puts the interests of a small alien minority above the
interests of the American people and indeed of all humanity.
KAS: Mark, not only do I honor you for the work you've done for
the Zundels, but I also deeply appreciate your long service to
the cause of historical truth and the embodiment of that cause,
the IHR. Can you tell us what's going on at the Institute for
Historical Review that our listeners ought to know about?
MW: This last Summer has been very difficult. Money is short.
From talks I've had, it's difficult around the country right now.
But things are much better now than they were just a few weeks
ago. We're going to be able to hire one or two new persons soon.
MW: But we really need to get back on track. There have been some
very bad setbacks in the last year, but things are looking a lot
better now than they were just even a few weeks ago. But there's
so much that needs to be done and our resources are really very
KAS: You recently did an interview with media in Iran -- is that
MW: I've done a number of interviews with the English language
service of what's called the IRIB, the shortwave radio service of
Iran. It's their equivalent of the Voice of America, you might
say. And I did one this morning. I've done maybe dozens of them
over the years, giving my comment on events as seen from our
perspective here in the United States. Today the focus was on the
American double standard seen in our government's insistence that
Iran not build any atomic reactors or develop any program that
might be useful for nuclear weapons -- while at the same time
effectively sanctioning and permitting Israel to develop and
stockpile a large nuclear capability. You know, Israel does not
admit officially that it has nuclear weapons, but even Shimon
Peres just recently acknowledged that Israel has this nuclear
arsenal. It's amazing. Israel has invaded other countries. At one
time or another, it has invaded all of its neighbors. It still
occupies portions of one of its neighbors, Syria. It's a country
that demands to live within what they call 'secure borders' --
but they don't tell you what those borders are. It's a country
with no constitution, which doesn't even know what its own
borders are, which operates under a kind of special martial law,
and which justifies its existence on supposedly theocratic groups
-- that God, so they say, gave them this land. It's inherently an
unstable state. This, I think is obvious to more and more people.
Again, this was the topic, this double standard of U.S. policy
regarding nuclear weapons for Iran and Israel.
KAS: Were you able to get any interviews in American or European
MW: Yes, yes; many. Indeed, when the Zundel case broke, I was
interviewed several times by Canadian national radio and even by
Canadian national television, by quite a few newspapers in
Canada. And I've done interviews with reporters for television
and for radio and for print for a whole range of countries in
Europe and in other continents as well.
KAS: How can our listeners and readers find our more about your
work and the work of the IHR?
MW: The IHR is easy to get to. The Web site is
http://www.ihr.org/ . It can also be found easily enough by
clicking on to the National Alliance Web site, which has a link
to our Web site as well.
KAS: How can our listeners and our readers who are not connected
to the Internet contact you?
MW: Our postal address is PO Box 2739, Newport Beach CA 92659.
You can write to us and we'll send you a packet of information, a
catalogue and other material.
KAS: And finally, how can those who wish to do something, who
wish to participate in this struggle for freedom of speech for
Ernst Zundel and for all of us, do so?
MW: Well, there's a couple of things. Ernst Zundel's campaign
needs money. That information is easily found at
http://www.zundelsite.org/ . Ingrid Rimland is coordinating that.
I urge everybody who has an interest in this case, which I think
deserves our support, just contact the Zundelsite.
KAS: Mark, I want to thank you for everything you've done over
the years and I want to thank you for returning again to American
MW: Thank you very much, Kevin, and good luck to you, and it's a
pleasure being on your program again.
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To contact Ingrid Zundel via post, write to:
3152 Parkway #13, PMB109,
Pigeon Forge, TN, 37863, USA. m
There's been a victory for free speech in Maryland. The Annapolis
Capital reported last week
police there will stop their practice of confiscating National
Alliance literature from homeowners' property. Citing concerns
that the First Amendment rights of citizens were being violated,
Officer Hal Dalton, a spokesman for the department, stated "I
don't see what right a police department has to deny the person's
right of reading information. We have no idea if the person wants
to read it or not. I guess in effect we'd be suppressing free
speech in a way."
The county police apparently had an "unwritten rule" that
National Alliance literature was to be confiscated if complaints
came in, but that violates the law of the land according to David
Rocah, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union in
Baltimore. County attorney Linda Schuett is reportedly
considering stopping the practice among county officers as well.
Numerous other jurisdictions openly announce that they still
steal Alliance literature after it's given to residents, such as
in Fort Thomas, Kentucky
actually have video footage of a deputy doing so -- but this is a
real victory in Maryland and we hope other jurisdictions will
Just last week, we reported on the firing of National Alliance
member Dan Schildhauer by his employer, the sporting goods
retailer Cabela's. Mr. Schildhauer was fired for one reason: he
is a White man who supports the survival of his race, and he is
therefore a proud member of the National Alliance.
Next week the National Alliance will officially launch its
"Boycott Cabela's!" campaign. So far we have had tremendous
amount of support for this. People have been calling in and
complaining to Cabela's, and they are starting to feel the
heat. Cabela's can be reached via cabelas.com and at 115 Cabela
Drive, Sidney, NE 69160 USA. We want people to continue to call
in and write in and to encourage others to do likewise. This is
just the beginning.
We have made our White community aware of this travesty through
the Shaun Walker and David Pringle "NA Live" radio program on the
Turner Radio Network, our Web sites, and on this radio program.
The positive response from both our members and our supporters
has been fantastic.
The Boycott Cabela's campaign will officially launch next
Saturday on American Dissident Voices. A dedicated Web site is
under construction. We will have leaflets to download for
distributing everywhere they may have an impact. Post these on
bulletin boards, hang them in gun stores, and give them to
friends. Go to local gun shows and alert the patrons about what
Cabela's has done. These are just a few of the initiatives we are
planning. Be sure to be listening next week to American Dissident
Until then, this is Kevin Alfred Strom reminding you to do right
and fear no one.