War Against Whites,
War Against Freedom:
Interview with Elizabeth Wheeler
American Dissident Voices broadcast
July 26, 2003
Kevin Alfred Strom
To begin today's program, let me read you an excerpt from a news
item on the National Alliance Web site, natvan.com:
On the afternoon of July 1, 2003, Mrs. Elizabeth Wheeler's
Baltimore, Maryland home was invaded by about 60 heavily armed
men. These men handcuffed Mrs. Wheeler, 72, a mother of six,
grandmother of seven and great-grandmother of three to her bed.
The thugs held her captive for almost seven hours while they
ransacked her home.
Who are these men and what did they want with Mrs. Wheeler? It
turns out the men, who used an axe to chop Mrs. Wheeler's door to
pieces, were members of the Baltimore, Maryland Police
Department's SWAT Team. No one knows exactly what these men were
looking for because the search warrant has been sealed by the
issuing judge. What we do know is that the Baltimore Police were
looking for Mrs. Wheeler's 61-year-old husband Lovell "Artie"
Wheeler, a machinist and vocal anti-war activist and immigration
opponent, and, it should be noted, a lawful gun owner.
It is also a fact that they knew that Artie was working at the
time of the raid and that Mrs. Wheeler would be alone. They
counted on their intimidation tactics to frighten this senior
lady into saying something that might incriminate her partner.
But in this they made a serious misjudgment -- because the fact
is that there is nothing to tell. Did Artie have gunpowder and
firearms stored in the couple's home? Yes he did, but they were
all legal. In the days following the arrest and seizure of the
couple's assets, including the cash that Mrs. Wheeler depends
upon to buy food and pay her basic bills, law enforcement was
left struggling to come up with charges appropriate to the
aggressiveness of their actions.
Did Artie or Mrs. Wheeler kill someone? Hell no. Did their
actions even hurt anybody? Again, hell no; but bail was set at
two million dollars. No charges apart from three misdemeanors,
yet bail was set higher than for most violent criminals. What is
going on here? Based on the facts, one can only draw the
conclusion that "they" don't like his politics.
You might be wondering at this point, as I am, what has happened
to the First Amendment right of free speech, not to mention the
Second Amendment right to bear arms? Judging by the treatment
Artie and his wife have received at the hands of police, the
right to express one's opinion and own guns has gone the way of
the Dodo bird -- extinct. Is this case a direct result of the
"Patriot Act?" It sure seems that way.
We're going to talk to Mrs. Wheeler, right after this, on
American Dissident Voices.
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KAS: We are proud to have Mrs. Elizabeth Wheeler as our guest
today on American Dissident Voices. Welcome, Mrs. Wheeler.
Elizabeth Wheeler: Thank you, sir.
KAS: Can you tell us a little about yourself and your husband?
EW: Well, we are Southerners, born and bred. Sweetheart and I
have been married for 24 years. We are almost like one person. I
believe what he believes, and I try to live my life the way that
he would want me to. He's a very strong man, with strong ideals.
And he's very very knowledgeable about what's going on the world
today -- and what people can do to change it. And that's the
reason he is where he is today.
KAS: Now you and he are concerned about the racial situation in
this country -- is that correct?
EW: Most definitely.
KAS: How did you first become concerned about racial matters?
EW: I think that Sweetheart has always been concerned about it. I
am a full-time housewife and homemaker and I don't get out too
much, but in 1994 we were living on Broadway in Baltimore. It was
about 4 o'clock in the afternoon and I was attacked by a nigger
with a broken beer bottle. He cut my neck and I bled quite
profusely. I still have scars from it. Once you have been
attacked by a Black it changes your entire outlook toward that
race of people. Ever since then I have wanted to do something
KAS: So you and your husband studied these matters.
EW: Yes, most definitely -- and we have read extensively on it.
KAS: How did you find out about the National Alliance?
EW: Sweetheart met Dr. Pierce a number of years ago. He had read
about Robert Mathews and his tragic death, and about Ruby Ridge.
It was his interest in it that brought me to have interest in it
also. He is more of a National Alliance 'member' than I am, but
he's not really a member. I am. Sweetheart was the one who always
distributed the material but I was the one that ordered it. So
that was what got us both interested in it.
KAS: So you're distributing educational material in your
community. Clearly you're not doing anything secret.
EW: No. The material that we have -- the National Alliance
material -- is in plain view on a bookshelf in our living room.
And, when the police came in our home, they saw it immediately
and asked me if I stood on the street corners to pass it out. I
said "No, of course not." And I don't. I do make up packets of
material, with a piece of each material in the brown envelope,
and Sweetheart gives it out to people he thinks might be
interested in promoting National Alliance views.
KAS: Now you have done more than just distribute literature. You
yourself are a radio personality in your own right, aren't you?
EW: Thanks to Mr. Hal Turner, yes.
KAS: So you have a program on the Hal Turner network?
EW: Yes, sir; I do.
KAS: Can you tell us a little bit about that?
EW: Sweetheart and I both became friends with Hal Turner, by way
of his network and the fact that he is pro-White. I asked Hal if
I could have a slot on his network, and he said yes. He suggested
that I let it be a reading hour for children. And so that's what
I do. I have a reading hour for White children on Hal Turner's
radio network. And from now on, starting tomorrow night, I'm
going to be on every weeknight, Monday through Friday, from 7 to
KAS: And listeners can tune that in by going to
http://halturnershow.com/ on the Internet -- is that correct?
EW: Yes, sir.
KAS: And what is the name of your program?
EW: Grandmother Elizabeth's Reading Hour for White Children.
KAS: You have some of the most clear enunciation I have ever
heard, so I think you are an excellent choice for that sort of
EW: How very kind of you to say that, Mr. Strom; thank you.
KAS: What, in your opinion, Mrs. Wheeler, was the reason for your
EW: It's political, Mr. Strom. Pure and simple.
KAS: Was your husband violating laws of the land in any way,
shape or form?
EW: Well, according to the 'powers that be' he was. Nothing is
free in this country anymore, Mr. Strom. Nothing. This is no
longer a free country. Our Constitution is dead. Our Bill of
Rights is dead. Witness the excellent White men who have been put
behind bars. Matthew Hale. Ernst Zundel.
KAS: Chester Doles.
EW: And Mr. Doles. And now Sweetheart. (near tears)
KAS: What exactly are the charges against your husband?
EW: 'Reckless endangerment.' 'Improper storage of gunpowder.' And
there's supposed to be a third one but I never can remember what
it is. They were not listed on the warrant. I only heard about it
through the media.
KAS: Well, I have heard through the media that several of these
charges are actually based on laws which have been repealed. Is
EW: I'm not sure about that, Mr. Strom. I don't have a television
set, and I refuse to listen to the radio, so I don't get any news
at all since they took my computer and all my disks, the floppy
ones and the CDs. So I have no access to news at all.
KAS: Could you tell us, in your own words, what happened that day
-- the day your home was invaded by these lawbreakers operating
under color of law?
EW: It was about ten minutes after two in the afternoon, three
weeks ago today. I was sitting at the computer, reading some
information from the Web site "From the Wilderness," about the
high price of natural gas and how high it was going to go this
year, when all of a sudden someone starts beating down my door
with axe! And they did not knock. And this man says "Police!
Police! We're coming in! Coming in!" I jumped up from the
computer and ran to the door and just as I got to the door, all
of these men start bursting in and they had on this special gear.
They had these plastic shields on in front of them, like they
thought someone was going to shoot at them. I said "What do you
think you are doing?" And one of the men grabbed me by the hands
and sat me down and put these plastic shackles on my hands and
arms. And I sat that way for almost seven hours.
EW: I watched them go through my house and take everything and
anything they wanted. They took VCRs. They took books. They took
papers. They took all of my identification. They took my birth
certificate and my Social Security card and my marriage license.
They went upstairs and went through my dresser drawers and took
all the cash money that was in the house.
KAS: That is just sickening. For seven hours you had to sit there
and watch them destroy your home.
EW: At one point, one of the policemen came up to me and said
"Isn't there a friend or a relative you can go stay with while we
do this?" I looked him right in the eye and I said "I'm not going
anywhere. I'm going to sit right here and watch you do everything
that I can see you do."
KAS: What was his response to that?
EW: Nothing. What could he say?
KAS: Now your husband was arrested? When did that happen?
EW: At work. They went out to his place of employment and
KAS: And he has not been allowed out on bail, has he?
EW: No! I've not seen him, except for a few minutes at the bail
hearing on the third of July.
KAS: Have you been allowed to visit him?
EW: I can't visit him. I don't have any identification!
KAS: The identification which they stole from you, being gone,
makes it impossible for you to even see your husband?
EW: That's right. I have to have a picture ID in order to be able
to see him. And I cannot get a picture ID without a birth
certificate and a Social Security card -- both of which they
KAS: I am just disgusted by this travesty of justice. After
arresting him, they set bail at the impossible sum of two million
dollars. Have you or your husband ever owned two million dollars
in your lives?
EW: (laughter) Oh, that's funny, Mr. Strom. Of course not.
Nowhere near it.
KAS: I'm outraged about this. Kobe Bryant, a Black sports star
and multimillionaire to boot, who's being charged with the brutal
rape of a 19-year-old White girl, a crime which could earn him a
life sentence if he's convicted, had his bail set at only
$25,000. And the financially well-off Kristi Goldstein, who
admitted involvement in a Jewish plot to execute no less than 50
terror bombings, had her bail set at only $100,000. Yet Artie
Wheeler gets two million? I'm just stunned.
EW: Well, when we went for the bail hearing, I could only stay
for the first part of it. It lasted quite some time and I
couldn't listen to the second part. But Sweetheart told me that
he told the judge that he felt honored that they valued him so
KAS: Does your husband have legal representation?
EW: A public defender.
KAS: How about you, Mrs. Wheeler? I assume that your husband is
not able to earn an income now that he's been jailed on these
fake charges. Are you able to make ends meet?
EW: I am managing to cope, Mr. Strom.
KAS: Are you going to try to get a better legal team than just a
EW: I don't see how we can. We can't afford it.
KAS: Is there anything that our listeners can do to help you, in
this horrible situation?
EW: Well, there are people who have been sending in donations.
Hal Turner put my name and address up on his Web site.
KAS: Where can people send donations to help you get through this
very difficult time, and also to help you give your husband
whatever help he may need?
EW: That's very gracious of you, Mr. Strom. I really do
appreciate it. My name is Dorothy E. Wheeler, and my address is
512 South East Avenue
Baltimore MD 21224-3913
KAS: Is there a lesson in all of this, Mrs. Wheeler, for our
listeners and supporters out there?
EW: Sweetheart said that all White patriots will be targeted. And
he said, "If you have firearms, put them away and hide them. Do
not let them know you have them. And be careful. Because this is
just the tip of the iceberg. More and more of these attacks
against White patriots are going to occur. Because they hate us.
And they do not like us because we know who they are.
KAS: How are you personally handling this situation, Mrs.
EW: I'm managing to cope.
KAS: It must be very hard.
EW: I'm having lots of help -- from friends I didn't even know I
had, from people I don't even really know.
KAS: So the pro-White community is helping you.
EW: People are sending me donations, and thoughts and words of
love and support that I never even realized would happen.
KAS: I am very very proud of the response that you have made and
that your husband has made -- you are not backing down in your
espousal of the truth. In fact, you personally are increasing
your airtime on the radio. And I have to say that that is a very
great contrast to some people who fold at the slightest bit of
EW: Mr. Strom, we're at war. We White people have to realize that
we are soldiers. And Sweetheart and I just happen to be standing
in the front lines.
KAS: I am proud to have you on our side in this battle to reclaim
our nation and to reclaim the principles of racial integrity that
America is supposed to stand for -- that the Founding Fathers did
stand for. And I thank you.
EW: Thank you, Mr. Strom.
KAS: Is there anything you would like to add before we come to
the end of our program?
EW: Sweetheart is convinced that they're going to keep him. That
public defender as much as told him that if they let him go on
his court date, that when he walks out the door, federal agents
will pick him up and accuse him under the terrorist act. And
Sweetheart says that's OK. He's willing to do that for his
country and his people.
KAS: He's a brave man.
EW: Yes, I know. He's most unusual.
KAS: I can tell that.
EW: Sweetheart says that we may not make it. That the White race
may end up as a people without a country. I hope that doesn't
occur. But if it does, we must teach our children and our
grandchildren and even our great-grandchildren if we can, to be
strong and to realize that our strength comes from within -- not
KAS: That's what I'm trying to do with our radio program. That's
what the National Alliance is trying to do with our National
Vanguard books for children, and the other books that we sell,
and I'm proud to have you by our side, Mrs. Wheeler. Please give
my best to your husband when you are finally able to communicate
with him, and urge all of our listeners to send support to you.
And I will repeat your address at the end of the program.
EW: Thank you, Mr. Strom.
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I'm in awe of the courage of Mr. and Mrs., Wheeler. Please
support them in their plight. You may send your donations and
letters of support to
Mrs. Dorothy Elizabeth Wheeler
512 South East Avenue
Baltimore MD 21224-3913
To write to Mr. Wheeler, write to
Mr. Lovell A. Wheeler
#935446 5N 35B
300 East Madison Street
Baltimore, MD 21202
Until next week, this is Kevin Alfred Strom reminding you to stay
active -- stay legal -- and keep on thinking free.