The Fight for Freedom:
and "People I Know"
Jewish Power Exposed
American Dissident Voices broadcast
May 17, 2003
Kevin Alfred Strom
On today's program we'll be updating you on the Ernst Zundel and
Chester Doles cases, and we'll be bringing you a review of what
may be the most important film for White people in decades.
* * *
Everyone who has heard of the Chester Doles, Jr. case, and who
has a drop of freedom-loving blood in his veins, has been
horrified and outraged by the persecution of this man. He sits
awaiting trial on federal gun charges, charged with being a
'felon in possession of a firearm' when he owned no firearms and
though he was not a felon. It's only because of a long-ago
misdemeanor conviction -- and because Mr. Doles' extended family
members owned guns -- that the JTTF and the rogue Jewish element
in the Justice Department have dared to bring these false charges
against this completely innocent man, who is now facing a
possible ten years in prison. The real reason he was targeted was
because of his political beliefs: Chester Doles believed that
White people ought to survive, and he organized a National
Alliance Unit to educate his people and to help them seek their
self-determination and freedom once again.
Today, we're on the line with Mrs. Teresa Doles, devoted wife of
Chester Doles, Jr. of Dahlonega, Georgia.
KAS: Welcome to American Dissident Voices, Teresa.
Teresa Doles: Thank you.
KAS: What has happened to your husband since he was arraigned?
TD: He is being held without bond at the United States
Penitentiary in Atlanta. He is only permitted to shower twice a
week, and only allowed five minutes on Monday mornings and Friday
evenings to call home. He has been refused medical treatment, and
his 83-year-old grandmother is not allowed to visit, because they
consider her 'not immediate family.'
KAS: Have you been able to see him?
TD: Yes. The first 'visit' was chaotic. They refused to allow me
to visit. Even after I showed them 11 different kinds of ID --
identification for Chester and myself -- I was still not
permitted to visit.
KAS: What grounds did they have for not permitting you to visit?
Didn't they believe that you were his wife?
TD: No. They told me I was not his wife, because they had another
name, a different address, and even a different state listed.
KAS: Have you had any success in raising funds for his legal
TD: Yes, we have. David Trainor [the attorney currently on the
case] has been paid in full for his services, but we're trying to
get help to raise funds to hire Edwin Marger, Bob Barr, and
Bernard Charette to come into the case to help us.
KAS: You're referring to former Congressman Bob Barr?
TD: Yes, he was the Seventh District of Georgia's Congressman in
the U.S. House of Representatives for eight years.
KAS: Now, I was told -- and tell me if I'm wrong -- that he
thinks that the Chester Doles case stinks to high heaven and that
the charges can all be thrown out if Chester gets the proper
TD: We're hoping so. He's not going to jump the gun and say that
right now -- but he is willing to work on this case. He is a
former United States Attorney.
KAS: I did not know that.
TD: For the Northern District of Georgia, yes. Mr. Edwin Marger
is the founder of the firm, and he has 50 years of experience.
KAS: Well, this sounds to me like a superb opportunity to not
only right a wrong, but to slap the faces of these thugs and
gangsters who Bush has allowed to infest the U.S. Justice
Department. To do this, what is going to be needed? What sort of
funds do we need to take advantage of this opportunity?
TD: Right now we need a $50,000 retainer, as well as $15,000 in
an escrow account for expert testimony -- different expert
witnesses which they want to hire to help with this case. Bernard
Charette is on the case as well; he's an investigator, and he is
going to work diligently to help my husband. On a case like this,
most lawyers want $50,000 just for themselves. These are three
high-priced, professional, outstanding attorneys who want to help
KAS: If people want to look into this law firm which is offering
its services -- if they want to check it out before they donate
-- how can they do that, Teresa?
TD: They can go to http://www.edmarger.com/ .
KAS: In my opinion, this is a way -- probably the best way -- for
people to say NO to 'Jewish justice' in America, to say NO to
Michael Chertoff. It's something we should all be pushing for,
and striving for, and giving for. How can people help you out,
and help Chester Doles out, in this situation, and strike a blow
TD: They can send a donation to the Chester Doles Defense Fund,
P.O. Box 1532, Dahlonega GA 30533.
KAS: If they want to learn more about the Chester Doles case in
general, where should they go on the Internet?
KAS: Is there anything else you'd like to say to our listeners?
TD: I'd like them to know that there is a man behind the name, a
man who is on trial here. He's a wonderful husband, a loving
father. He's someone who has been fighting for years for our
survival, for our children's future. Not just my children --
everyone's children. And he doesn't deserve the treatment he is
receiving. And we want him home. We've got eleven beautiful
children who just want their Daddy.
KAS: Thank you, Teresa. Let's stand behind Chester Doles, let's
support this effort, and let's give Michael Chertoff and the JTTF
a slap in the face they will never forget.
* * *
We now turn our microphones to southern California and we welcome
once again to American Dissident Voices the director of the
Institute for Historical Review, Mark Weber. Mark, you're
becoming a regular here, it seems.
Mark Weber: Thank you, Kevin; yes, it's a pleasure.
KAS: The last time we discussed the Ernst Zundel case, the case
of a pacifist German-born writer and artist living in Tennessee
-- a writer and artist who just happens to question the Jewish
version of World War II history -- being spirited out of the U.S.
based on a bogus claim that he missed an immigration hearing, we
left off with Mr. Zundel in a holding cell in Batavia, New York,
awaiting deportation to Canada. Briefly, what has happened since
MW: There's been a lot happening since then. He was sent to
Canada; he's been held now for several weeks in a detention
center in Canada; and there have been several hearings. The
so-called Canadian Security and Intelligence Service [CSIS] --
it's kind of a Canadian equivalent of the F.B.I. -- has presented
to a court in Canada a claim that Ernst Zundel is "a threat to
national security." And on that basis, he's now being held in
Canada. He's applied for refugee status in Canada, and there the
matter sort of sets.
It very much looked like he would be deported to Germany, where
he would almost instantly be put in jail and locked away for
years because there's an outstanding warrant for his arrest there
on charges of 'denying the holocaust.' As many of your listeners
know, in Germany, in France, and in a number of other European
countries -- and also in Israel -- it's a crime to dispute the
official view of World War II history with regard to the Jewish
The situation looked very bad -- it still is bad, it still is
dangerous. However, just in the last few days, several things
have happened which are encouraging.
First, Ernst Zundel now has capable legal representation both in
Canada and in the United States. In one of the hearings in
Canada, he was represented by Paul Fromm
[http://www.canadianfreespeech.com/] -- a good and capable and
eloquent man, but he's not an attorney. Now, Doug Christie has
come into the case and he's representing Mr. Zundel in Canada.
MW: He's challenging the entire line of the government there:
It's a completely absurd thing, the whole claim that he's a
threat to national security is based on this bogus claim that
admittedly he is not himself a violent person and he hasn't done
anything that's illegal or dangerous in Canada, but the Canadian
authorities and particularly the Jewish groups that are behind
this entire campaign are saying that he's a "patriarch of White
supremacy" and that's he's a "lightning rod" for others who might
carry out violence. This is absurd. This is unbelievable.
Ernst Zundel, in all the years that he was in Canada, never
advocated -- never incited -- any kind of violence. His record is
a very clear one. He's been a public figure in Canada. The idea
that he would be some sort of threat to national security now,
when he wasn't during the 42 years he was living in Canada, makes
this whole thing obviously a fraud. More than that, it also
points up the political nature of it. Ernst Zundel is effectively
a political prisoner, a prisoner of conscience, in Canada.
The other thing that's happened is that now has an American
attorney, a man named Venable [Boyd W. Venable III], who has
filed a motion in federal court, showing that the entire
procedure by which he was arrested on February 5th at his home in
Tennessee and taken away, locked up, and then deported to Canada
was improper -- to say the least. The claim has been made in the
newspapers that he "overstayed a visa" or that he "missed a
hearing." None of those things are true. And even when I've
talked to people and tried to find out what the claim was, there
are just conflicting and empty claims about why he was even
arrested. It's now more and more clear the some pretext was found
to detain and pick up Ernst Zundel and send him off over the
border. In any case, now he has a capable attorney who's fighting
this here and in Canada.
Mr. Zundel is married to an American citizen. It's just
unprecedented that a person who is dutifully following all of the
procedures and regulations to live legally in the United States,
and who is married to an American citizen, is just picked up in
this way and then shuffled out of the country.
KAS: On the basis that he allegedly missed a hearing.
MW: Right, allegedly he missed a hearing. Another claim that has
been made is that he 'overstayed a visa.' Well, he's a German
national, a German citizen. German citizens don't need visas to
come into the United States, any more than an American citizen
normally needs a visa to visit Germany.
KAS: Now, I've heard a report that he was arrested while in jail,
on another charge, while in Canada. What's the story behind that?
MW: The evening before a hearing, a little over a week ago I
think it was, he was given a certificate claiming that he's a
threat to national security. This is highly unusual. It's only
been done a very few times in Canadian history. And he was
arrested on this charge, formally. It's really kind of a
formality, but it was done to give some sort of legal color, some
sort of legal pretext, to hold him for an even longer period of
time -- because the Canadian authorities didn't know quite what
to do with him. He hadn't committed any crime. And they had to
find some reason to more formally hold him, because the grounds
that he had been held on were so threadbare and flimsy.
KAS: Deportation to Germany seemed imminent for a time, but
you're saying that it is not imminent now?
MW: It's not as imminent. It's still a danger. It still could
happen. But there are some procedures that still have to be
followed in Canada, and Zundel's attorneys, both in the United
States and in Canada, are now mounting a strong defense. Now, in
that regard, one of the good things that's happened is that
there's been so much publicity about this entire matter that even
many Canadians who may not like -- who don't like -- Ernst
Zundel, have become very concerned about the heavy-handed, the
groundless way in which the Canadian authorities have been acting
in this case.
Specifically, the daily newspaper in Victoria, Canada, the
[http://tinyurl.com/bxq5; also see
published an editorial just the other
day saying, in essence, we don't like Ernst Zundel, but to
declare him a threat to national security is wrong, improper, and
dangerous -- as dangerous as Ernst Zundel, they say. Now that's
pretty remarkable, because when Canadian voices start speaking
out like this, then it brings the matter to a kind of political
forum, and it becomes more and more difficult for the Canadian
authorities to just proceed and deport him.
KAS: It seems to me that Ernst Zundel was born with the destiny
of being on the cutting edge of the battle for freedom of the
mind, freedom of thought, and freedom of speech. The last
question I'd like to ask you, Mark, is what can we, those who
love and admire Mr. Zundel and those who passionately believe in
freedom of speech, do to help?
MW: They can write to the Canadian authorities; there's
information on that on the Zundelsite. Really, all the
information anybody needs is on the Zundelsite [ http://zundelsite.org/ ]. Or you can click on the IHR site [http://www.ihr.org] . Also, donations are needed to help defray
the very great legal expenses now that have come up in this whole
KAS: Thank you very much for being with us again, and we will get
back to you as developments go forward in this case. Our thoughts
and our wishes are with Mr. Zundel. And we thank you very much
for being the public voice for this battle for freedom, Mark.
MW: Thank you very much, Kevin.
* * *
Carlton Smith is a National Alliance member who has happened on a
little-heralded movie starring Al Pacino and Kim Basinger
entitled People I Know. Welcome to American Dissident Voices,
Carlton Smith: Thank you, Kevin. It's great to be here.
KAS: Now this movie, People I Know, is about Jews, the lead
character is a Jew (though he isn't played by a Jew), and I
assume it's from a Jewish studio; yet you told me that this film
could be the most important film for White nationalists this
year. Why do you say that?
CS: Well, it was kind of stunning to see this film. It reminded
me of Jud Suss, the old German film, in the way it portrayed Jews
-- and even in the appearance of some of the Jews -- not only in
their actions but also in their appearance. It was, indeed, put
out by Miramax, and it had some big stars, and some Jewish actors
although Al Pacino played the lead role. But the way that they
portrayed Jews was actually a little bit more over the top than I
would expect even a White nationalist or racialist producer to
have done, if we were to run a movie studio.
KAS: How can you explain that? Why would they do that?
CS: I can't explain it. I'm still kind of in shock. I guess what
it could be is that either they're just so confident about
themselves that they don't feel that there's any danger -- or
maybe they're proud of it, maybe they're bragging a little bit. I
don't understand it myself. But I'm fascinated by it, and it was
It's the kind of movie that you could recommend to anyone. They
can just go to their local theatre and see it. You wouldn't even
have to mention politics, and they would get hit over the head by
the fact that Jews run politics, they run the media, they're very
conscious of their Jewishness and what they're doing, and that
they are very corrupt and secretive about what they do. It's
fascinating. I can't believe that it was released.
KAS: Can you sketch out for us the main characters and the plot,
in maybe just a minute or so?
CS: Certainly. Eli Wurman -- or vermin -- is the lead character.
KAS: That's the one played by Al Pacino, correct?
CS: Yes, he's played by Al Pacino, and Al Pacino does an
excellent job. He's a Jewish publicist. His defining
characteristic is that he is a former 'civil rights' activist.
They say that he marched with Martin Luther King and whatnot.
CS: And he was at one time connected with many other Jews who
were also involved in the 'civil rights struggle.' But those Jews
have moved on.
KAS: So he's an 'old fashioned' leftist Jew.
CS: Yes. He spoke about how he was a Harvard law graduate, so he
ran in affluent Jewish circles as a student. And he held on to
his views, while many of his Jewish counterparts ended up going
into business and did quite well for themselves. In the modern
era, while he's still trying to organize leftist causes on behalf
of Blacks, particularly Nigerian immigrants in this movie, the
other Jews are not interested in helping. They're very well
politically connected, and they do not care for Blacks whatsoever
-- in fact, they kind of despise Blacks. But they're urged and
blackmailed and bribed into participating in some of Wurman's
functions because he has information about their illegal
activities. It's a really strange set of relationships: There's
friendship involved, there's blackmail involved... it leaves you
with a dirty feeling, the whole movie.
KAS: So these modern, politically well-connected Jews, the
political and business types of today are corrupt, and they're
shown as being corrupt in the film.
CS: They're shown as being corrupt; they're shown as being
grotesquely Jewish. And, as if that wasn't enough, for some of
the thicker-skulled in the audience they declare that they are
KAS: And they're shown as being in control of the political
process, at least in New York City, is that correct?
CS: Yes, at least in New York City, but there are implications.
Regis Philbin makes an appearance in this movie. The implication
is that they're running the country, in politics and in the
KAS: So they're shown as being in control of the media, too. And
they openly proclaim a consciousness of being Jews, a racial
consciousness, is that right?
CS: Continuously. Throughout the movie. It's remarkable. It's
almost as if the director is a regular listener to American
Dissident Voices. They go into their famed 'love' of Blacks and
their causes, and it shows them as using Blacks even though they
personally have no love for them. It shows their backroom
dealing, it shows their use of White prostitution, it shows their
drug pushing -- it's just amazing. It hits on most of the major
topics that I know you and Dr. Pierce have tried to expose.
KAS: How are White people, the White characters -- non-Jews --
portrayed in the film?
CS: They're sparse. And I think that is also fairly accurate. In
this movie you see Whites as playing secondary roles, largely.
Which is how I have seen them performing in the business world in
real life. The White is the secretary for the Jew; sort of a
simple-minded person, not too much involved in what's going on
around him -- that would be Eli Wurman's secretary. The other
Whites were basically prostitutes. They were attractive models,
one played by Téa Leoni. She plays a drug-addicted prostitute who
was used by the Jews for the things that they wanted from her, by
way of drug addiction. They control an upper-class opium den that
operates in a high-rise in New York City.
In the original cut of the film, much of what went on there, like
Eli Wurman's office, took place in the World Trade Center. So
they had to reshoot a lot of it to get the World Trade Center
scenes out of the movie. One reason for that may have been not to
bring up bad feelings. Another reason could have been that it's
hard to like anyone in this movie, and if the World Trade Center
was tied in with this sort of lifestyle and political practice, I
wonder how much sympathy people would still hold for the World
KAS: How will White people see things differently after watching
People I Know?
CS: They will leave either with an overt impression or a
subconscious impression that Jews are in control of the media,
and that Jews are in control of politics, and that they are
sleazy in their control and secretive in their control of both. I
can't see how anyone could leave without those feelings.
KAS: Now this film is just now making its way into theatres, is
CS: That's correct.
KAS: And you said in your review that you didn't think it would
last long. I feel a little silly asking this, because maybe it's
obvious, but why not? Why won't it last long?
CS: I'm shocked that it was ever released in the first place.
There are certain characters and organizations in the movie that
seem to parallel -- if not deliberately, then by coincidence --
the actions and the personalities involved with the ADL, the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith. I'm shocked that it was
released without a hue and cry by the ADL. Certainly, if it
catches on within our movement, and is promoted with any success
by us, then they will think better of it.
KAS: Finally, tell me how this film, People I Know, personally
affected you the first time you saw it.
CS: Like I say, I was stunned. And I left the theatre stunned.
And now, several days on, I'm still stunned.
KAS: Well, you've written a review of the film.
CS: Yes, I wrote the review of the film...
KAS: This review which you've written goes into a lot more detail
than we have done on the radio show. I'm going to be arranging
for that to be put online today at http://www.natvan.com/ -- the
National Alliance and National Vanguard main Web site. And for
writing that review, I thank you very much. I encourage everyone
to download the review, distribute it, and go see the film. Thank
you very much for being with us today, Carlton Smith.
CS: Thank you very much, and thanks for all your great work.
[Carlton Smith's review of People I Know can be found at