On the front lines in the war to save our people is where you will find
German-Canadian free speech advocate and revisionist author and publisher
Mr. Ernst Zündel of Toronto. Mr. Zündel in recent weeks has very nearly
become a martyr for his beliefs, being the victim of an arson attack which
severely damaged his home and which surely would have killed him had he
been at home as usual, and then the victim of a mail bomb cleverly disguised
as a book and which he had the good sense to turn over to police when he
became suspicious because of its weight. The controlled media, which are
ever so vigilant to protect the rights of minorities and leftists and raise
a hue and cry from coast to coast when one of their pets gets a scratch
or a bruise or has his feelings hurt, have uttered hardly a peep at these
and many other vicious attacks against Mr. Zündel.
My questions will be in bold style formatting, Mr. Zündel's answers
will be in normal style formatting.
Welcome to American Dissident Voices. It is an honor to have
such a brave champion of free speech as a guest. There are few people in
this world who would be willing to struggle and fight for what they believe
to be true as you have. In recent weeks you have been the victim of an
arson attack and a mail bomb. There must be those who passionately hate
you and what you are doing.
Well, the hate campaign has actually been of a much longer duration
than just recent weeks. It has never taken as violent a form, except we
had one bomb go off in 1984, but then things died down because the people
that were my opposite numbers, usually the "holocaust" promotion
lobby, were able to drag me into a Canadian court and keep me in there,
tied up in litigation, for nine years after that. While I was in court
the violence was by JDL ["Jewish Defense League"] demonstrators
that knocked me to the ground, and who tried to attack my legal team as
they went into court, and beat some of my witnesses on the way to court,
and so on. But generally we had very good police protection, and when I
found that the police protection wasn't swift enough or adequate, I organized
So there has been an ongoing campaign of violence against you for
over a decade.
Oh, yes. To me this is just an escalation. The reason why I have survived
as long as I have survived is what my friends, comrades and supporters
thought was an extraordinarily cautious approach. I wore bulletproof vests,
and my bodyguards had the option of having bulletproof vests -- I bought
five sets. I had former policemen and active policemen who were on holiday
as my security advisors. I had searchlights on my building that came on
with sensors. We have spent a lot of money on time-lapse recorders, and
that paid off in this particular arson attack because we actually filmed
the arsonist in the process of pouring 20 liters of gasoline, which is
about five gallons, on the wall on the front of my building. Unfortunately,
there was only one person in the building at the time, and they were in
a back room and didn't see that monitor at the moment. Our cameras have
also paid off in that we have trapped numerous people that heaved objects
or who tried to pull signs down from our building. You have to understand
that we are located on one of the most busy thoroughfares in Toronto. We
have bylaws, like all large cities, which only allow you to erect fences
up to a certain point. The city forced us a few months ago to take a security
fence down by two feet. We cannot put barbed wire around, naturally, because
this is a residential and business zoned area. There is, of course, a certain
amount of protection from being within the center of the city, because
there are always people about. This is how it came about that a person
saw the arsonist actually walking along the street, carrying his can of
gasoline, and the police got an excellent description. So, between our
security video and the man's description I have every confidence that,
with the help of my $5,000 cash reward, we will apprehend that man and
that man will be brought to trial. Through him, we will find out who paid
him to do the job.
When did this arson attack occur and how much damage was there?
It was 5 a.m. on the seventh of May, and some people have said that
it was deliberately designed with the VE-Day celebrations in mind. As a
matter of fact, I was in Western Canada, in British Columbia, at the time
to meet with my long-standing attorney Douglas Christie to talk about legal
moves against public officials and some of these Marxists and Jewish agitators
that were saying they were going to drive me out of the neighborhood. They
had established a committee to drive me out of the neighborhood where I
live and carry on a lawful business where I think and write and speak --
which is constitutionally protected even in Canada. We were going to make
moves under the criminal code of Canada, but it never came to that because
the morning news was that my house had been torched. Unfortunately, my
own private, really priceless library suffered almost total loss. Some
of these books were three or four hundred years old. Many of them were
bequeathed to me by older Europeans for my work. The unfortunate thing
is, for the contents of the building I could not get any insurance anywhere
in Canada. Once you are a victim of a bombing, you enter a risk group to
which they will not sell insurance.
That is a tragedy. It could have been worse, though: people might
have been killed.
Oh, yes. Had I been in Toronto, I would certainly have been killed in
this attack. In the room where I normally sleep, the flames and the smoke
and the soot is such that the gases would have killed me.
Now you have also been the victim of attempted murder via mail bomb.
Yes. That's another kind of an odd situation, in that the bomb that
was mailed came in the guise of a parcel, and the parcel looked like any
other book. When we felt it, it was unduly heavy. There was a cover on
it; there was a curved spine on it; and it certainly was a book. But I
compared other books with it on our scale and realized that even with the
heaviest paper it would require a much larger volume than this parcel had
to be the same weight. Either somebody was sending me gold bricks or something
I had a fortunate phone call from Vancouver from a long-time acquaintance
and political collaborator of mine. When we told him the P.O. box number
on the parcel he said, "Well, heck, that's my P.O. box number!"
I was shocked. I had seen the man two weeks ago. He had never said he was
going to send me a parcel. It was a two year old P.O. box number.
So I went to the police. I took the bomb in my car, drove down to the
police station, and got promptly chewed out by the police people. They
said one shouldn't drive around the city carrying bombs in the trunk of
I didn't know it was a bomb at that time, I just suspected it to be
one. And besides, I'm so in Dutch with my neighbors here that I thought
that was better than getting them all upset with what might be a fake bomb
scare where they'd have to clear out the whole neighborhood. If it was
a fake I'd look ridiculous, so I didn't call anybody from the media. I
figured since we'd had it in my office for almost a week, and had handled
it, that if it was a bomb it was of a kind that would not explode unless
one opened it. The bomb squad in Toronto deduced exactly the same thing
after they handled it and x-rayed it. So I wasn't so stupid after all.
I had deposited it in an empty area of the parking lot of the police station.
Then the bomb squad did its thing with the robot. They put it in an explosion-proof
container, and drove it off into an uninhabited area and exploded it.
Are you ever worried that your nine lives are going to run out some
[Laughter] Well, I think I have six or seven left!
The really interesting thing is that after the police and bomb experts
were through examining it, they stated that it was a very powerful pipe
bomb that would have killed anybody within 90 meters of the blast. In American
measurement, that's about 300 feet. And I live in a very densely populated
area, as I said in the downtown Toronto area on a main thoroughfare. If
that thing had gone off in this building it might have leveled the block.
Are there any leads or suspects?
For the bombing, not really; it's too early in the investigation.
The interesting thing is that on the 13th of April, I had been sent,
from a Vancouver address, an envelope containing a mousetrap to which were
attached some very sharp blades. In it was a threatening letter that said
it was from the "Anti-Fascist Militia." They said that this was
a declaration of war and that this was only the first device and that the
next one may well be "boom." That is how the letter ended.
Over the years, when you have a high profile, you get threatening letters
and you get lots of threatening phone calls. I got a little more concerned
since this organization was founded to drive me out of the neighborhood,
and thousands of posters were distributed all around Toronto with instructions
on them for how to build a Molotov cocktail, meaning a fire-bomb, an arson
bomb, along with a picture of my face in the crosshairs of a rifle, and
my address. The headline on the poster was "Bored?", then the
Molotov cocktail, then my house and address and my face. I turned all these
things over to the authorities, I mailed them in press releases to the
Canadian media, I made them available to the intelligence agencies that
look after security in this country. I did what every citizen ought to
do, plus I really fortified my building to the point where some people
referred to it as a "bunker," which it was not. It was just a
very secure building. But even if you are on a main drag, you are not immune
Have the authorities vigorously pursued these cases?
You know, many people have called me, friends from the nationalist camp,
revisionists and so on, from around the world, have called me over the
years -- and now again because of what happened -- and they are all very
cynical about the police and the authorities. I'd have to say that in my
case -- and I don't say this because I expect favors from the Toronto police,
I'm just saying it because it's a fact -- the Toronto police department
has been the one organization in my tremendously difficult and protracted
struggle against the Zionist "holocaust" promotion lobby that
has shown professionalism and a detached method of dealing with me. They
have accorded me my constitutional rights, and that is to their credit
because the media hate campaign against me has been so intense and so vicious
that it's a miracle that the police have taken such a professional approach.
I am convinced that if there are fingerprints on any of these devices,
if there are leads that my $5,000 reward poster will bring, the police
will vigorously pursue these people.
Now the next question is: Will the courts, will the prosecutors vigorously
prosecute this case? I don't think so.
What makes you feel that way?
Because the police did arrest eight people outside my building after
a recent violent demonstration. You have to understand, we've had demonstrations
in my neighborhood that were supposed to go outside my building of up to
three and four thousand people. The last one was only about 250 people.
It was quite violent. The people who were demonstrating were followed by
the police, and eight of them were arrested for threatening policemen with
two-by-fours, causing mischief, and throwing objects at the police. The
police were quite prepared for firebugs, because I saw a special unit with
four different policemen carrying fire extinguishers during the demonstration,
which is highly unusual. So the police are not the problem.
The problem was that the lady prosecutor in Toronto did such a non-
prosecution -- such a poorly prepared prosecution -- that she didn't submit
the color video tapes we had showing the camouflaged faces of these terrorist
demonstrators, where we had zoomed in on people who were throwing objects,
showing others who were threatening police with two- by-four beams, and
so on. None of this was introduced into evidence.
The judge turned his back towards me, sitting back on his judge's chair,
while I was in the witness stand being questioned. The whole courtroom
was full of these anarchists, leftists, communists and Jewish lobbyists.
He treated me like a piece of dung, and let all of these eight people go.
The police did the right thing -- they protected private property, they
protected my constitutional right to speak, they brought these people to
justice, they arrested them, they charged them properly, and then everything
fell apart. If I was a leftist Marxist demonstrator bent on making life
difficult for a man like Ernst Zündel, I would take this as official encouragement.
Indeed. It seems to me that the media are culpable as well. In this
country, we've heard virtually nothing of what's happened to you.
In Toronto, the people that really "lit the fuse" were the
mainstream media. They have engaged in a hate campaign, in a shameful and
shameless way -- especially since the 50th anniversary celebrations of
the end of the Second World War. Also guilty, I think, are the people who
put up posters outside my house claiming that it was to celebrate VE-Day
that they torched my house. You cannot stoke the fires of prejudice against
German people and then not find that somewhere, sometime down the road
it doesn't discharge. And that's what has happened. They agitated and agitated
and agitated, until finally they found an unbalanced enough person and
they put the torch to my house.
The organized Jewish and leftist groups want to shut you up and stifle
debate on the subject of what really happened to the Jewish people during
World War II. But by putting you on trial ten years ago, they created the
biggest public debate on the subject that the world has ever seen.
Yes. They basically scored what we call in German an eigentor, they
scored a goal against themselves. Their hatred finally turned against themselves.
The trial of Ernst Zündel has gone down in Canadian history. We have struck
down, through my trial, one of the most pernicious laws -- a law that could
get writers and broadcasters into conflict with the law very easily. The
Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional, and we defined in the process
our new bill of rights, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, in a way that
is almost American. In other words, they're leaning very heavily on the
American model. I have only been able to do my own broadcasts and my own
TV and public access shows because of this Supreme Court definition and
victory. So it's true: they pursued me for nine years in the courts; and
in the end, evil produced good.
You've recently published a huge, 564-page book detailing your trial
and it is full of magnificent documentation of the evidence that was brought
to bear there.
It was compiled by my attorney, Barbara Kulaszka, and is titled Did
Six Million Really Die?: Report of the Evidence in the Canadian "False
News" Trial of Ernst Zündel. It is a condensation of 12,700 pages
of trial transcripts into a readable form. It really is, as one of the
leading professors in Europe called it, an encyclopedia of the "holocaust,"
because both sides are presented. The prosecution witnesses, including
Dr. Hilberg from the United States who is known as the "pope of the
`holocaust'," Christopher Browning, his disciple, and others are cross-examined
in a court. What we're looking at here is not just a book, it is testimony
given under oath and verified by cross- examination. People don't have
to go and buy trashy pro-"holocaust" or even smaller anti-"holocaust"
books. It's all in one book: the "holocaust" as a historical
event, or non-event has been solved. It has been explained in detail in
a courtroom in Toronto.
What we have to do now is to make the public at large aware that what
we're looking at is not a historical event but -- and I have to be brutal
and I am going to say it -- a racket. It is a racket which defrauds nations.
The German nation was its first and principal victim, to the tune of 100
billion Deutsche marks plus. There were times when the state of Israel
got up to 40 or 41 per cent of its budget, directly or indirectly from
these "reparations" -- money the German people paid for propaganda.
For an event that was wholly created in the poisonous psychological warfare
kitchens of the Second World War, run by the ministries of propaganda in
many countries, not just by the British or the Americans, but also the
Russians and undoubtedly the world Jewish organizations. The German people
have been defrauded out of 100 billion Deutsche marks. It's a racket. It
is not a historical event.
I am not against Jewish people, or any other person, who unlawfully,
illegally, or immorally was deprived of his freedom in the Second World
War getting restitution. Or if there were Jewish business people in Germany
that had their businesses seized, they should be restituted properly. The
German nation is magnanimous even in defeat, and they have a sense of justice
and they certainly want to repair damage that was done unjustly. I am totally
in favor of that. But not to let generations of German people to be defrauded,
and then to be vilified by films like Spielberg's Schindler's List.
You call yourself a revisionist.
Yes I do.
Now that term has been sullied by the media. The media try to give
the impression that revisionists are part of some sort of sinister movement
to "revise" history à la George Orwell's 1984. But
it is really quite the opposite. Can you explain why you call yourselves
It is a very good point that you are touching on here. American people,
French people, English people, even Jewish revisionists like David Cole
and the man who was a witness for me, Joseph Burg, and the French [Jewish]
Professor Dommergue: these are people that merely want to look at history,
bring it into accord with the facts, meaning historical documents and events;
strip it of rhetoric and propaganda; and then basically write a factual
But as a German -- and I am German-born -- we Germans are condemned
once again to be radical revisionists. Because, you see, we lost our honor
as a nation. We lost our self-esteem. We also lost the institutions of
our country. We were not allowed to organically build on our long history
and heritage. So a German revisionist has to not only revise historical
facts but also bring borders into question, because we were stripped of
vast territories in the Second World War. As a German revisionist, I cast
a far wider net than an American revisionist or a French revisionist. They
are engaged in what Dr. Faurisson, the world's most famous revisionist,
calls the greatest intellectual adventure at the tail end of the twentieth
century. To me as a German person, I want my nation's honor restored. I
want lies to be exposed as lies, frauds as frauds. I want borders to be
recognized where ethnic Germans were living long before America was discovered.
In Germany, we must have an internal revision of our political system,
that was grafted upon us by Allied conquerors. Conquerors never, never
conquer a nation to bring freedom. They brought control. The government
in power in West Germany, which is now expanded all the way to the Oder
River, is nothing but an instrument of Allied control, not of freedom.
We Germans need revision from the inside -- of our borders, of our institutions.
Americans are lucky: they can only concern themselves with "were there
gas chambers, or were there not gas chambers?" I am the most radical
and the most sweeping of the revisionists, and this is why some of the
more intellectual revisionists sometimes look upon me a little askance.
They can afford to be scholars. I am a street activist revisionist because
we, as Germans, want our country back, want our honor back. We want our
father's generation to be exonerated and rehabilitated. By the year 2000,
I hope that the job is done regardless of bombs or fires.
I am sorry to say that most Americans-and I talk to ordinary Americans
every day-even Americans of German descent, who get their news from the
newspapers and the major TV networks, think that "holocaust"
revisionists are either kooks or hate-filled bigots. "Everyone knows,"
so they say, "that the Germans killed six million innocent Jewish
people by gassing. To say that they didn't is the equivalent of saying
that the Civil War never happened." What do you say to such people?
What is the strongest evidence for your doubt of the "six million"
That's a very good, broad, and sweeping question. As you know, I commissioned
an American gas chamber expert, an execution expert named Fred Leuchter,
to go to Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek, which were allegedly the "industrial
killing centers" where the Germans supposedly dispatched all kinds
of people to their deaths in gas chambers. That man came back with 33 samples
-- soil samples, rock samples, samples from the drains, the walls, the
ceilings. He took a draftsman along and a video photographer who recorded
all the activities while they were taking the samples. All of these samples
were bagged. They were only handled with rubber gloves. They were numbered
and dated. Special technical drawings were made of all the installations,
and it was marked where in each installation these samples were taken.
They were taken to the United States, and were tested in a blind test;
the lab was not told what they were testing. They thought it was an industrial
accident. They came back with absolutely no traces of any of the killing
compound in some of the major "gas chambers." For instance, in
Auschwitz-1, where they have taken all the tourists through for the last
40 years, not a single trace of the compound Zyklon-B was found. This is,
to me, scientific forensic proof. Science doesn't suspend its rules or
its laws for Zionists, for Communists, for Nazis, or for anybody else.
Are you saying that these were the rooms where it is claimed that
mass executions by gas took place?
These very rooms show no traces of the killing compounds?
No traces, or very minute ones, and the very minute ones are explainable:
as morgues, and that's what these rooms were, they had to be fumigated.
When dead bodies are put into a morgue, they get cold, and then lice leave
that dead body. The louse was the chief carrier of the typhus disease.
These rooms had to be fumigated once in a while. And we have taken a test
sample of a chamber, an actual delousing chamber, which the Poles, the
Germans, the Jews and everybody else agrees had been a delousing chamber
for mattresses, uniforms, and so on. We took a sample from that as a kind
of guiding sample, and compared to what it was in the "gas chambers,"
where millions were supposed to have been exterminated by gas, it is incredible
how high the residue was there. And how nonexistent or very small it was
in the alleged "gas chambers."
This report, called The Leuchter Report, is included in your encyclopedic
That's right. The full examination, with all the drawings and so in,
is in there, as well as the booklet for which I was charged and which was
the basis for the nine-year litigation.
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You have admitted a patriotic motivation for wanting to clear Germans
of these accusations in the hate propaganda against them. Is there a political
motivation on the part of all "holocaust" revisionists? Are they
all on the political right?
Actually, that is a complete misunderstanding and it was created by
the "holocaust" promotion lobby; organizations such as the Simon
Wiesenthal Center. It's simply not true.
My Romanian Jewish friend Joseph Burg, who was a "holocaust"
revisionist and has written five books, was certainly not pro-nationalist
or pro- Nazi. He was himself put into pales of settlement during the Second
World War. Many of these people are unabashed champions of truth. They
are championing truth above all. It goes way back to the French socialist
and member of the French national assembly, Paul Rassinier, and down to
Dr. Faurisson. Dr. Faurisson came to revisionism as a man of the left,
not of the right. I remember when I first met him in California in 1979,
he was certainly anything but nationalist. Bradley Smith in the United
States, who was married at one time to a Jewish woman, certainly is anything
but National Socialist or nationalist. The same can be said for so many
That I, Ernst Zündel, as a German, am passionately pro-German I think
people can understand or ought to understand. If America was ever befallen
by a tragedy, like the German people were, I hope and I pray that American
sons would rise up and defend America the way I try to defend my own ethnic
group. I am not saying that during the Second World War Germany did not,
under the leadership of the National Socialist government, commit crimes.
In hindsight, with 20/20 vision today, that means deprive people of their
liberty, put them in concentration camps, deny their human rights. I was
horrified when during my trial I found out how easily people could be put
in concentration camps in England, in Canada, in America, in Germany. There
seems to have been a whole concentration camp syndrome going on in the
whole Western world. So we should not judge countries like Germany, or
even the incarceration of Japanese-Canadians in Canada or Japanese-Americans
in America, with our 20/20 hindsight, and being as sensitized to human
rights as we are today. It was not fashionable in 1935, 1940, 1941, or
1942 to be a human rights activist. It certainly wasn't fashionable in
Canada. I know of none that protested the incarceration of the Japanese.
I don't know of many in the United States. I certainly haven't heard of
any Russian human rights activists during the time of Stalin's Gulag. And
in England it was the same.
I think we should put the war behind us. There is world of ignorance
and apathy to be conquered. Historical revisionism is a tool to make the
historical record conform to documents, not to propaganda.
Usually history is written by the victors. You are trying to correct
that 50 years later.
This is so often said to me, and I am so sick and tired of people saying
"it's justified." Everything is justified, because after all
"we won" the Second World War.
If that is true, then all the GIs, all the British Tommies, all the
Canadian soldiers, and all the other soldiers that were part of this coalition
of 51 countries that were at war with Germany, have to take responsibility
for what has befallen the Western world today, and the world generally.
The subjugation by Stalin of half of Europe: 250 million Europeans that
lived for half a century under this horrific Soviet empire, and all of
the millions of deaths that ensued as a result of that -- they are responsible
for that. It's not all motherhood and apple pie. Also, those GIs who bombed
Germany into the stone age are responsible for what has happened to our
society in America, in Canada, in England. They are responsible for our
current immigration policies.
It's not fashionable or Politically Correct to say it, but I have earned
the right by incarceration, fines, bombs, and arson, and I tell you that
the mess that we are in today, the cesspool that our societies collectively
have become, the thievery, the whole litany of travails of the Western
world, all began in 1945.
I've said it before on this program, and I'll say it again: 1945
was a victory for Communism and those who were behind Communism on both
sides of the Atlantic.
That's right. I want to plead for my own father's generation. It was
a magnificent generation. That generation of Germans, along with volunteers
from Denmark, Holland, even England and the Free India division and so
on, we Europeans were alert and awake to the danger of Bolshevism. Fifty
years before President Reagan called it the evil empire, my father was
fighting the evil empire at the gates of Moscow. I think that it's about
time that the Western world forget its breast- beating and pay respect
to those men who fought their way to Stalingrad trying to topple that evil
empire. There is nothing redeeming about Stalin's Bolshevism, and it is
a shame that Western man, that Europeans, that German-Americans, that Anglo-Saxons
would ally themselves with the Soviet Union to battle to the ground a European
power. I am not saying that Hitler was a choir boy. But I am saying, let
him who was innocent in the Second World War cast the first stone.
When is there going to a monument or a major Hollywood movie depicting
and memorializing the deaths of those who died under Communism? I'd like
to see that happen.
I am very hopeful. I have lived in North America, and have watched the
struggle for freedom, internally in Canada and America. Especially in America.
I have every hope that salvation -- and this might sound strange to you
as an American -- will come from America. The defeat of Europe came from
America. Stalin was beaten by the Germans. America saved Bolshevism. I
am quite sure that freedom will be saved, and that freedom will come from
North America. Our concept that we have now in Canada and America of freedom
of speech allows us to correct history. Just yesterday, I had a phone call
from Germany, from a young German who had attended a lecture by Raul Hilberg,
the "pope of the `holocaust'," who said in Heidelberg less than
a week ago that we must not shut off the debate about the "holocaust."
We must be allowed to ask questions about the "holocaust."
That is a heartening sign, but in many nations you can now be jailed
for doubting the "six million" story.
You're looking at one who did. I just spent six days, for that very
reason, in a German jail and just recently was convicted and fined 12,600
marks, which is about $10,000. This is now going to the European human
rights court, because the German judicial system did not allow Fred Leuchter,
Dr. Robert Faurisson, and the German chemical expert G. Rudolf to appear
as witnesses, even though all three were in the witness room, ready to
give their testimony. They refused to allow me to present exonerating evidence,
or at least reasons for why I thought what I thought. That's totally illegal
under the European human rights code, and I am quite sure that eventually
we are going to reverse this judgment.
Well, I hope that these laws are also reversed. From an American
perspective, where we still, just barely, have freedom of speech (though
Zionist lobby groups are trying to take that right away from us), I find
it almost inconceivable that people are being jailed for doubting someone's
version of a particular event that happened 50 years ago. It's like Alice's
Through the Looking Glass. It's insanity.
I am, as a European, absolutely shocked by European people. I am also
shocked by European nationalist people. They have allowed themselves to
be so emasculated so silently. I, of course, have become acculturated in
North America. I am particularly proud of what Americans and German- Americans
achieved 200 years ago with the American constitution, with the Bill of
Rights and its various amendments. I claim that as part of our German-North
American heritage. I'm sad that we were never able to export it to Europe.
If Europe had -- if Germany had -- if France had -- if the peripheral countries
in Europe had a semblance of your system we could at least begin to make
a change because we would have the freedom to speak. This is why America
is so very important. All the troubles that you and I know that exist in
America are minute compared to the problems that we would have if we could
not speak out and try to correct them.
You have been hounded for your beliefs. Your business was ruined.
For nearly a decade of your life you were fighting jail or deportation
in court, and now you have nearly been killed. Most men would have given
up long ago, and gone and watched the birds or tended their gardens. What
makes you keep going? Why do you do it?
Many people, my sons and my grandchildren have asked me this, and I
can only say to you that once your conscious mind is expanded to the truth
of what really happened, it is so horrific. The world is really in the
grip of manipulated history that will take us all down. It's like in computerese:
"Garbage in; garbage out." If we persist in thinking that what
we have is history and use it as a precedent to build a better society
we are going to inherit nothing but ruins. I want a better world, a cleaner
world, a safer world, a saner world. The men who died on the German side,
I can assure you, 99 per cent of those men died for a noble cause. There
were almost 10 million German people who gave their lives in the Second
World War, civilians and soldiers. They did not have to die in vain. I'm
making sure that their deaths are ennobled by me sticking up for what they
I think you ennoble the deaths of the American soldiers too, quite
frankly. They believed that they were fighting for freedom of speech among
I sure have pity for American soldiers, for Canadian veterans, and for
British veterans. When they see their subways, when they hear from their
grandchildren that they are no longer safe in their school-yards, and when
they watch their public television become a kind of cesspool that purveys
drug addiction and so on, I wonder if those veterans are not suffering
greater psychological trauma and pain than the Germans who at least know
that they were militarily defeated and they couldn't change it.
I can tell you that I know several, Mr. Zündel. I know one man who
literally cannot speak of his service in World War II. He was on a bomber
that bombed Germany, and he cannot speak of it. He is reduced to tears.
I think that the time has come to stretch out our hand to all those
who were deceived, as well as even the deceivers. In all my programs, and
in all of my writings, I've always extended my hand to decent Jews and
people who served the Allied cause.
I say to them: Fifty years have gone by. The war was a tragedy for all
of us: all who were touched by it, not just Jews. Jews have no copyright
on pain. Let's now get on with our lives and create a better world.
How can our listeners contact you if they'd like to know more about
your efforts and your publications?
They can write to:
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Toronto, Ontario, M5A 2L1
Mr. Zündel, I admire your courage, and I want to thank you from the
bottom of my heart for your uncompromising stand for the truth in an age
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