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Hal Turner Show

Host Hal Turner
interviews Captain Eric H. May

5 July 2006


Abstract: How independent Arab sources confirmed that the U.S. used a neutron bomb during the Battle of Baghdad. How the Third Division Chaplain at Ft. Stewart, Georgia tried to intimidate Captain May out of telling the truth about the existence of the Battle of Baghdad and heavy American casualties. Why the knock down of the East Coast power grid in Aug 2003 may have been an inside job.

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Captain May: I run an outfit called Ghost Troop, like Casper the friendly ghost troop. And we are made up of veterans and military and police professionals, both active and former status who look into the media cycle, much the way I am sure you do. And we can infer a lot of things from the media. Now a lot of that goes back to my specialty in intelligence, especially in Russian area intelligence, from the days when I was in the U.S. Army, used to pick up news papers written in Communist countries, and you knew every word on the front page was a lie, but if you knew how to read carefully, you could pick out the truth between the lies. So a nickel's worth of demonstration [speaks some Russian] that was Russian and a few other languages. So I was an MI fellow.

Hal Turner: OK

Capt May: Now when I came off active duty, my last assignment was with the 75th Division in Houston, Texas where I was on the general staff as a public affairs officer, and had spent the previous five years as an opposing forces specialist, meaning I pretended to be the enemy all the time. That was my job. I came off active duty about 1995-1996, and then started writing for the mainstream media. I did writing with NBC editorials, Houston affiliate, did a few spot pieces for the Wall Street Journal editorials, and wrote for the Houston Chronicle, a little bit of military analysis among other things. As this war started coming up, meaning the Iraq war, I started writing analysis for the Chronicle and I stuck by the earlier predictions I had made a year after Desert Storm where I agreed with Papa Bush and said that it was a quicksand war if we got into it. That getting pulled into the Middle East would be something we could not get out of and probably couldn't win. Now that got me in hot water pretty quickly writing here in the Bush southern capitol of Houston, Texas and pretty quickly I was blackballed from writing in the mainstream media. I was following the war early on. As your listeners will remember we marched across the desert in the Euphrates valley and U.S. forces reached Baghdad in April of 2003. Now what is going to happen next is your listeners are going to remember a cute little blond girl named Jessica Lynch who the story was she had been captured, she fought heroically, you know, special forces men came in and rescued her from the arms of the Iraqi captors Well all of that turned out to be kind of hoaxed up. She had really gotten lost with her convoy, gotten ambushed, got wounded, and the Iraqis thought they had a pretty valuable prisoner there, so they took pretty good care of her it seems, and actually tried to hand her over to American forces. The whole Jessica Lynch story is a Hollywood story. But the reason for the Jessica Lynch story was that your listeners may also remember something happened at Baghdad Airport on the night of April 5, 2003. Now with my background in intelligence and pretty deep background in military tactics, it is pretty apparent to me that the battle of Baghdad city began that night at the Baghdad airport. But for the next four days all that the American people saw was Jessica Lynch. Then on April 9th they saw a statue falling down. The media programmed the people to understand that Baghdad had fallen. They showed a statue of Saddam Hussein falling. [3:20]

Turner: Captain, I remember that, and I remember the Jessica Lynch story, and I remember when Baghdad Bob, the foreign minister, no the press secretary for the Iraqi government was denying that there were troops in Baghdad and clearly there were firefights going on at the airport, but something else happened at the Baghdad Airport. Something really big. No main stream media talked about, and that nobody in the military was willing to confirm until recently. Why don't you tell folks what it was that really happened. What was detonated at the Baghdad Airport, and why this was covered up.

Capt May: Sure. Well the broad picture is that there was a four day fight for the city beginning with the Baghdad Airport. That is what got covered up by Jessica Lynch. But to get to the particular night of the Baghdad Airport, there is something called The Secret History of the Iraq War. Your folks can find it by looking in the book store where there is very little told about the Baghdad Airport battle, except that it was a six hour fight that reached close quarters. Now I have picked up from different international contacts of mine that it was at the point that there were actual war atrocities being carried out on captured American soldiers on film. They got in close, there were captured people, there were hundreds of dead boys, and what happened is that after six hours of a fire fight, in which U.S. ground forces, that being the Third Infantry Division, particularly the 3-7 Cavalry Squadron, the 101st Airborne, and possibly some Marine forces, they expended all their ammo after six hours. The Iraqis had at least five battalions of Republican Guard and Fedayeen Saddam, or their volunteer forces.

Turner: Right.

Capt May: At the end of it all, with the U.S. forces running low on ammo, somebody from somewhere gave authorization to use a neutron warhead over the Baghdad Airport. Now I got this multi-source through Army people who were there, Marine people who were there, and Arab journalists who were there or who talked to people who were there. The important thing is that the American boys did not know what had happened. They were never --the details were never filled in. But what happened was the American forces went and buttoned up inside their armored vehicles. Armored vehicles have pretty good protection against radioactive transmission. They have a good transmission factor, it is called in professional terms. [5:49]

Turner: Right.

Capt May: Since they were inside and buttoned up, the Iraqis were outside and exposed, and the way I got it from the Iraqi side through Arab journalists, was they thought they were doing good until all of a sudden they started melting. So at that point a nuke went off over Baghdad Airport, maybe a series of nukes. And we think neutron is enhanced radiation, as I am sure you know Mr. Turner.

Turner: Yes, I am aware of that. But it wasn't a fission device, it wasn't the big bang, it was a neutron warhead.

Capt May: Right. You know, the old Russians had a good propaganda line about that. The neutron warhead has high toxicity because it has radioactive emission, but it has low burst, so the Russians used to make a joke about it in the 1980's when we were trying to introduce it into the European arsenal by saying it was the perfect capitalist weapon because it killed people and saved property.

Turner: Right.

Capt May: That is a pretty good line. We found out since through various reports by medical authorities that there is an extremely high level of mutation and cancer around the Baghdad Airport, along with things like livestock die-off and chicken die-off; everything you could imagine. I picked up from American GI's going way back to 2004 that they were bringing in truck loads, dump truck load after dump truck load of dirt in and taking just as much dirt out. So even back before I got the story, which you may have heard earlier than I did, that there was a neutron warhead used, I started getting hints of it. So I want to stress the same way you do your intelligence analysis before you say something to your listeners, I did the same thing. I didn't say that a neutron had gone off at Baghdad the first time I heard that story. [7:30]

Turner: Right.

Capt May: I heard that story a dozen times, and it wasn't until I started getting independent factors that actually played into my analysis of it that I came to accept that. Since then I have heard it from a lot of American VIP's up to the Green Party candidate for President. You know, I deal with all kinds of people. The Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb was an old college buddy of mine. And he told me that. So I have gotten it from all over. It sounds like that confirms what you got as well. [8:00]

Turner: Now let me jump in here for a sec. To recap this briefly. Basically what you are saying is that the military planners and/or the White House--botched Iraq War II. They botched the planning. They sent our troops in without enough fire power, and when the fire power was running out, they resorted to a weapon of mass destruction which to my knowledge has never been deployed in anger previously.

Capt May: Right, not that particular one.

Turner: They let loose with these neutron artillery shells? Were they artillery shells?

Capt May: Well that I don't know. I don't know if it was a StratCom order aerial delivery, I don't know if it was a missile, an ICBM, a Tomahawk, I don't know what the delivery means was.

Turner: So they let loose with this weapon of mass destruction and then did the whole Jessica Lynch thing to divert the media and the public's attention away from the fact that we had used a neutron weapon in Baghdad.

Capt May: Right, in every particular the invasion plan was deficient. You know, I wasn't the only military guy who thought that it was going to be botched from the git-go I was just one of the ones who was not on active duty any more who could open my mouth and write about it. There were all kinds of people having doubts. But the one thing the Bush League -- that is our little term for the Bush people and his Zionist buddies--the one thing the Bush League knew they had under control was they figured they could B.S. the public. They always knew they could lie to the public because all the media lined up behind the war. So when things started getting tough, what they decided was, "What the hell, what we will do is classify it all as Top Secret and refuse to tell the public. We will cover it all up." So you could say, that from the very moment -- now think about the ironies, we went there because we said that we were trying to keep those rascals from getting WMD's. What was the first thing we would do when the going gets tough? [9:51]

Turner: Use one.

Capt May: You see, it was a P.R. nightmare. [Editor's Note: Another interesting irony noted by Capt May in a different interview is that 7th cavalry is the exact same historical unit that got massacred at the Little Big Horn in 1876, and the Bush Establishment probably dreaded any public media that might associate the Iraqi counterattack success at the Baghdad Airport with the earlier Sioux and Cheyenne victory against Custer].

Turner: OK.

Capt May: Now my view at that point, and of course military doctrine and law according to the Defense Departments' Principles of Information, states that propaganda will not be used against the American people. You know every time that military planners or military commanders --or the commander in chief in this case-- screw up, they always try to cover up their mistakes by saying they are too secret to talk about. [10:21]

Turner: Right.

Capt May: But there is a whole body of regulation which I had to learn as a trained public affairs officer which says that is exactly what you are not supposed to do. You don't stab your people in the back when the going gets tough because when you do that you wind up compromising the nature of the American system. We depend on an informed populace.

Turner: [Back from a radio break for commercials] Well it turns out that the United States seems to have used a neutron weapon or more than one neutron weapon. It was done at Baghdad Airport early in the attack upon Baghdad, and talking about this with me is Captain May, former U.S. Army intelligence officer. So, they covered up the use of these weapons, and they got rid of all the Iraqis who melted. Now I remember seeing photographs of melted people. I remember seeing photographs of men whose legs had melted or vaporized. They weren't even burn marks. Their feet, their calves, their knees were gone, and they were just stumps where their thighs were, but they were still standing where they died. They were just slumped in a ball. Could that be the effect of a neutron weapon?

Capt May: Yes. Well what you were seeing was stuff that sounds like it came out of Nagasaki or Hiroshima. That is exactly the effect of a nuclear weapon. There were attempts to pass that off with disinformation which was a big part of this current Bush League effort as being a FASCAM or fast-scattering munitions. Meaning little mini-cluster bombs or as being Willi-Peter or white phosphorous.

Turner: Fast cluster bombs would leave a bloody mess. There was no blood.

Capt May: Right. So what you had was exactly the kind of stuff that if you think of the kind of effects you had at Nagasaki where you may be shielded from the heat by a piece of armor or something at one place but have exposed skin in another place where part of your body stays normal and another part of it gets a million degrees. You know you are talking about temperatures like the surface of the sun with a neutron warhead. So that is what went on that night, that whole Baghdad Bob thing --was about half lying and U.S. public affairs was half lying. But after Baghdad Airport there was a massive effort to make it so that everything that Baghdad Bob said was taken as being just the fact that Baghdad Bob said it meant that it was a lie. Well, that was a propaganda effort. That was a psychological operation.


Capt May: Again, turned against the American people. Which again is an illegal thing for the military to do. So the whole Battle of Baghdad that followed, you know even until after Baghdad Airport they did not hand it [the city] over to us. There were days of fighting. And those days of fighting there were substantial casualties. Horrible casualties on all sides. So the American people were getting this Zionist garbage through the media which said that we walked into Baghdad and they had just kind of run around. They had run. [13:25]

Turner: Right

Capt May: But in the Middle East, of course you might say well, the American people didn't need to know, but I don't think that you or I would say that, but on the other hand, in the Middle East, all over the Middle East, they knew that we had turned Baghdad into a Guernica. That we had gone and shot the place up.

Turner: Right.

Capt May: As so as a result, we find ourselves operating within kind of a Zionist envelope of lies where the American people consistently have been told that s-h-i-t was really shinola.

Turner: (Laughter).

Capt May: But in the Middle East they knew differently. So now the American people are amazed at why it is worldwide that we have become a pariah. And the reason is, do you know what they call our soldiers in Iraq, sir?

Turner: No.

Capt May: They call them Jews.

Turner: Oooh.

Capt May: In other words these guys we are fighting --and you know how much the Muslims and Jews hate each other, that is what this whole war is about, that and oil --they call American soldiers Jews, and that means they hate us as much as they can possibly hate us because they see us as nothing but attack dogs for Zionism.

Turner: Which is exactly how I see the present war --the present operation.

Capt May: That makes two of us on the line.

Turner: I'll tell you, a lot of American people, for some bizarre reason, seem to think that Iraq had something to do with September 11th. And they never had anything to do with September 11th.

Capt May: More war propaganda.

Turner. Now you were not in the military on September 11th and you like the rest of us saw what unfolded that day. I don't know if there is anything more you want to say about Baghdad Airport or that.

Capt May. No, no, let's move on to September 11th. That is an important day for everyone.

Turner: Because here is another situation where the country has literally been propagandized in almost every facet of 9-11. Why don't you talk about that?

Capt May: Sure, well first off, you know, a lot of people think, "Well you are military intelligence. You think it all up." But that is not true. When 9-11 happened, you know, I am not an expert in structural engineering or anything else relating to the physical characteristics of 9-11. I bought it --shucks-- a year later I volunteered to my best friend and best man, Ambassador Chase Untermeyer, now in charge of [U.S. ambassador to] Qatar, to return to military active service. I was declared ineligible and could not go. So I was really buying the whole propaganda line. That this was 19 crazy Arab guys who were representing an worldwide evil movement intent on destroying America because it is the home of the brave. And that was the propaganda line. [16:00].

Turner: Yes, it was.

Capt May: I spent an entire year on the Battle of Baghdad cover-up, which we call BOBCUP, Battle of Baghdad cover-up for a very simple reason which is that after Bush covered up that battle, he started letting loose his PsyOp thugs on the orphans and widows out at Ft. Stewart, Georgia where the Third Infantry Division was from. So not only did we do all kinds of things we were not supposed to do in the Battle of Baghdad, because of this thug president that we have, but he turned his goons loose to shut up the women and children of these heroes who had died in battle. He robbed them and desecrated them of their honor, which is a great shame for the military always. And he took it out on their kids. So at that point I came out on a mission of conscience under death threat. I had been told by Col Neil Dennington at the Marne Chapel at Ft. Stewart, Georgia on May 14, 2003 that the government was covering up the Constitution, that Special Forces units were going to enforce discipline, and that assassinations would be used to carry out discipline. I came out and spent a year on a mission of conscience strictly on the Battle of Baghdad cover-up all the while still believing the 9-11 story. [17:09]

Turner: OK.

Capt May: Then after I had published a site on the Battle of Baghdad cover-up, as so much happens on the Internet now, an Internet operative named Capt Jeff Cross, a former Marine officer, got in touch with me. He had been in New York City on the day of 9-11. He had been transitioning out of the Marine Corps into civilian life. One of those boots to business suites type programs.

Turner: Yes.

Capt May: He was a competent officer who was on the scene and he talked to me and he must have talked to me four or five different times before he finally convinced me, because he had been there, that the whole thing was what is called a false flag operation. Meaning, the people who did it pretend to be someone else, or if there is a story, pretending that someone did it different from the people who actually did it. [17:57]

Turner: OK.

Capt May: And his explanation was that it was all CIA-Mossad. That it was a set-up operation all the way around.

Turner: Now this fits with facts that I have reported on this radio since the attacks of September 11th. The two aircraft that took off out of Boston's Logan Airport which ultimately crashed into the two towers at the World Trade Center in New York, the security company that was responsible for airport security at Boston's Logan Airport was an Israeli security firm and the men who staffed that security firm were all or mostly ex-Israeli military. The idea that these nineteen high-jackers could have ever even gotten on those planes was ridiculous. But then plane number one takes off, a few minutes after take off it deviates from its flight plan and nobody can communicate with the plane. Well in this country, as you know, since the 1970's, the standard operating procedure is that the airport calls the FAA, the FAA calls NORAD, NORAD scrambles a fighter jet to find out what is wrong with the plane.

Capt May: Sure. Ricky ticky. Like real fast.

Turner: Right. This was not done for the first aircraft. The first aircraft is on its way now south from Boston toward New York, when the second aircraft takes off. Fifteen or twenty minutes into that flight, it too deviates from its flight plan and looses communication, and again no military fighter jet was scrambled anywhere around Boston or anywhere in Connecticut, or anywhere in New York State, or anywhere in New Jersey. Plane number one hits the North Tower of the World Trade Center at about 8:43 or 8:46 AM. Plane number two is still inbound. We have in New Jersey maybe sixty miles from my house McGuire Air Force Base at which fighter jets are stationed. We also have the Atlantic City Naval Air Station. Up north of us we have Ft Stewart, in New York state, which has fighter jets. Despite the fact that the first plane they lost contact with had struck the World Trade Center, and the second plane was also off course and out of communication, no fighter jets were scrambled to even intercept the second aircraft, which as we know, struck the second Tower. So right there, that told me that our government was complicit in these attacks. Maybe they didn't carry them out, but they knew it was going to happen, and they let it happen on purpose. And then I subsequently found out that they were actually in on it and probably made the plan themselves. Why don't you pick it up from there. [20:55]

Capt May: Yes sir. Well you have gone through the same discovery process that I did. You go from believing the story, to seeing doubts, to thinking well, maybe they let it happen on purpose. That is the LIHOP argument: Let it happen on purpose.

Turner: Right.

Capt May: And eventually we all wind up with the MIHOP argument: Made It Happen On Purpose.

Turner. Ahhh.

Capt May: I just published an article in the Lone Star Iconoclast about that very argument which is starting to become dominant in the 911 research community. There are so many ways of figuring the evidence. You probably heard that there were ongoing Federal aviation drills simulating terrorist strikes on skyscrapers with airplanes that day?

Turner: Yes.

Capt May: That was going on in real time. Cheney was running it.

Turner: OK.

Capt May: When you hear that Cheney was in the bunker, they were doing --you know the bunker drills they did June 19th of this year?

Turner: Right.

Capt May: --a couple of weeks ago?

Turner: Right.

Capt May: That is the exact same drill that was going on. It is a once a year drill that was going on the day of 9-11. In other words, the Federal government was insulating itself against any possible coup de etat by loyal officers.

Turner: Right

Capt May: The Federal government was running exercises simulating exactly what they did, which allowed them to control everybody and tell them to stand down. And the Federal government was coordinating at every level what happened to New York. You know it is a funny thing. If I go out and burn down my own gas station, the first thing an insurance guy is going to do is question hard to see what happened to see if arson was the cause. [22:22]

Turner: That is correct.

Capt May: But the biggest arson in U.S. history happened on 9-11, and the day after it happened they started hauling away the junk to get it out of the country. They destroyed the crime scene instantaneously, and then do a point of commission, the first person they tried to put in charge of the commission is Henry Kissinger, Beelzebub himself? A British-Yiddish hit all the way. [Start of music for a commercial break].

Turner: [After the commercial break; edited out of the sound file, at 22:48]. The government not only knew it was happening, and let it happen on purpose, but quite probably, perhaps actually made it happen on purpose. Captain May, thanks for hanging on.

Capt May: Thank you kindly for letting me stay over, Mr. Turner.

Turner: So, let's continue our discussion about what happened on September 11th and we'll move from there. When the guy you were talking to, the former Marine officer was going from boots to business, when he started talking to you about what he saw, and you started listening and verifying some facts on your own, what conclusions did you draw that led you to Made It Happen On Purpose (MIHOP)?

Capt May: Well, that is pretty easy. In fact, it will resonate with what is going on now. Let me make it clear, when Captain Cross, and I am pleased to use his name, he is my brother officer, he was my executive officer as part of Ghost Troop after we became introduced, after Jeff Cross USMC started talking to me, the first thing I did was close my eyes and shake my head and say "This can't be so." At first my mind reeled. You know, I was able to pick up Baghdad in a hurry because that was basically a tactical problem.

Turner: Right.

Capt May: I could see the logic of that because I had done enough war game scenarios and had seen enough military affairs. But with 9-11, it didn't ring until Madrid. When Madrid happened on 3-11, on March 11, 2004, everything about that operation reeked. And they started immediately trying to say it was Al Qaeda. As a matter of fact, they said it was the same Al Qaeda faction that for a while they had been trying to pin the East Coast black out of August 2003 on. Remember that East Coast black out?

Turner: I remember, 14-1550 Hours we were without electricity here, and it was very hot.

Capt May: Well that one was easy for me because I picked that up at the time for what it was, a classified operation. That was another Federal false flag attack. That was a Federal knock down of the power grid. It was a way of Bush flexing his muscles in the summer of 2003 when everybody knew he had gotten us into quick sand after promising us an easy war. So when they started blaming the Madrid bombing on the same group that did the East Coast black out --and I knew the East Coast black out was bogus at the time it happened --that just happened to be one of the things that was easy for me to understand--all of a sudden it started clicking for me real fast. And then immediately after the Madrid bombing, they started saying "Black Cloud of Death" attack coming. And that was what they said was coming. And that played into my strength, because back when I believed the Al Qaeda story, I had written an editorial for the Houston Chronicle, a military analysis, which specifically predicted an Al Qaeda attack on the Houston petrochemical district, because being former chemical-biological-nuclear warfare expert myself, and knowing the political realities of the Houston area, I thought that Houston was the best target on the board for Al Qaeda. Now all at this point with Madrid, I realized that "My God, Captain Cross is telling me the truth." My God these sons of guns set up Madrid, and they are the same ones who set up the East Coast black out, and that must mean they are the same ones who set up 9-11, and my God, everything I thought pointed at the Houston attack was nothing but Federal misinformation fed to people to make them think Houston was going to be the [target of] attack. So I started --this was the time at which I put out my first alert, because we had real strong indicators. They were even saying that Al Qaeda had got suitcase nukes. [26:19]

Turner: I remember that.

Capt May: They have been setting up the Islam bomb forever. So I realized George Bush was going to do it to his own house. The idea is that once you think about someone as an arsonist, the first place for you look for them to burn down a house is their own house.

Turner: OK.

Capt May: That is the easiest house to burn down. So we started worrying about Houston. We came up with a hard and fast prediction of March 31, 2004 for a Houston petrochemical nuclear attack. Well, coincidentally --not coincidentally, March 30th, one day off, Texas City British petroleum blew up for the first time in accordance with our predictions.

Turner: I remember that.

Capt May: We missed it by 24 hours and 24 miles. So at that point I went from really not understanding or not believing 9-11, to three weeks after Madrid when you could say I was pretty much a crazy man. Because it all came to me at once, not only that 911 had happened and who had done it, but the realization that the Zionist media was setting us up in real time. They were setting up a story and they were starting to point it in the direction of Houston. Well, I had media contact at that point and we managed to get a media contact of mine to call up FBI national on the 24th of March 2004, and they put the FBI to cover its butt put the Gulf Coast of Texas under FBI warning, alert, terrorist watch. So we actually --our first success in running what we now call "9-11 2 B" ("to be"), that means the nuclear 9-11 that they keep telling us is going to be, it is not a matter of if, but when--

Turner: Yes.

Capt May: Our first success was in getting a Federal alert put up of a 3-31 attack, which actually happened on 3-30. Now what happened at British Petroleum was a minor explosion compared to what we were anticipating. And we couldn't understand that until much later. Now we have figured it out. Anytime they decide they are going to do a hit, if you interdict --if you interrupt them by getting information out, they cannot do the hit.


Capt May: But they can't call it off, because if they call it off, then everybody who was in on the criminal activity from the git-go now has no reason not to spill their guts.

Turner: OK

Capt May: So they have to go through with some kind of criminal activity to keep everybody on the hook. [28:38]

Turner: I see.

Capt May: It is like a street gang going over --five guys get in a pick up truck to kill somebody. Well, if they decide at the last minute they can't kill him, they burn his house anyway so at least everybody is on the hook and nobody squeals.

Turner: I understand.

Capt May: So that was the first instance, and that is when we went from the simple act of realizing 9-11 to the proactive act of anticipating the 911-2B attack. I would say Ghost Troop has become the specialization unit for the 911 2B attack.

Turner: Well I would agree with that, and let me just ask, it was after the Madrid bombings that you finally realized, you internalized, that the U.S. government manipulated or caused or planned or participated in September 11th, and that got you looking to what else they might do, because every time the Bush administration is in trouble, something big happens to try to neutralize the criticism that people are hurling because the Bush Administration is not doing something right.

Capt May: Right, the only member of the Bush administration who ever has been worth a damn is Bin Laden.

Turner: [Laughter].

Capt May: They always wield the Bin Laden thing out to scare people, but it loses its force. It is like any form of fear, after a while you become --what we know factually, and what various members of the police and military community in and around Houston, Texas and through a larger and larger percentage of the country and the armed and police forces know, is that not only has Bush been building up the next 911 attack, the 911 2B, but they have actually made attempts to enact the 911 2B attack. [30:22]

Turner: You believe that Houston-Galveston-Texas City area was the logical place for a big attack because that is where a lot of refineries are, that is where a lot of economic activity is, and it made sense that if they were going to do something big, it would happen there, because of our vulnerability. Because of the economic impact. Is that right?

Capt May: Well, no, no, that is the cover story. And those points are true, but they are not the major ones.

Turner: OK.

Capt May: The major thing is that Bush runs this state, and oil runs Bush. Houston is the petrochemical center of the universe. This is the oil place, and Bush is an oil man. Halliburton is ten miles away from my house here in north Houston, and that is Cheney's kingdom.

Turner: How is an attack against the petrochemical area going to benefit oil? Raise the price?

Capt May: Let us take the British Petroleum refinery. British Petroleum refinery right now is listed as being a 3 billion dollar reclamation project just to get it up to EPA standards.

Turner: OK.

Capt May: It is the arm pit of the Gulf Coast. In the same way that you know that Zionist Larry Silverstein bought the towers two months before they came down. [31:35].

Turner: Right.

Capt May: Doubled the insurance one month before they came down.

Turner: OK.

Capt May: So there is always an economic motive. He made a great amount of money, and New York City is a Zionist capitol, of course. So they set it up, and they made money coming and going. People made money on put options on airlines.

Turner: I know that. All right, so you are saying that --

Capt May: The same way, if you do it in the petrochemical area, assuming your people know what is coming, you can blow up a dilapidated facility like BP Texas City, and you can blow up Texas City, and then all you do is you get rid of the labor costs that you are paying that are no longer productive, you get rid of a messed up facility, and then you come in and maybe pave it with concrete and put a liquefied natural gas terminal there. You can do what you want.

Turner: Because you are starting from scratch.

Capt May: Right. Or even better, you are starting from scratch with pre-planning. In other words, what we see, what they are selling to us as a false flag attack, excuse me, as an Al Qaeda attack, is really nothing but part of a globalist-Zionist capital improvement project and they just consider this the demolition phase.

Turner: I understand. And the other big benefit, aside from insurance, and the freedom to build what they want, the government steps in with taxpayer money to clean it all up, which in the environmental arm pit as you described, is tens of billions of dollars in cleanup costs.

Capt May: Sure, they pay it off dollars to doughnuts. Now they have already written into the EPA code, there already is revision in the U.S. statute involving how much radiation people can live around and keep functioning. They have rationalized and prepared the next strike at every possible level to maximize the safety that they have --buy in all secrets so it cannot be looked into. They have enough seed corn and money in the area to buy up the politicians, the police, and the press. And there is enough profit coming that everyone who is part of it will make out like a bandit. It is simple murder. It is just mass murder. Murder is always for profit.

Turner: OK, so when you talk about 9-11 2 B, ("to be"), it is not the number 2 and the letter "B," but T-O B-E.

Capt May: Well, we get cute. We throw it in with two "b's." The number and the letter. Yes, everyone is supposed to understand it means 911 to be, the next one.

Turner: All right, now, you successfully forecast an attack down in that area of Texas from March 31st, it actually took place on March 30th, what else have you successfully predicted?

Capt May: Before I say "I" remember that I am the company commander of Ghost Troop. I have 350 people in my unit now. We are a very strong cavalry unit. We are cyber intelligence. We are an Internet unit. One of the first. Perhaps the prototype. And every time that we have been on one of these missions, there have been different times when I have had police officers from the bay area. For instance, the March 31st prediction that turned into the March 30th attack 2004?

Turner: Yes.

Capt May: Houston Police Department Criminal Intelligence Division John Karshner, a sergeant buddy of mine, was working right along with us. The media, not the high end corporate media who were in on it, but the local news anchors or editors who did not have a clue on what was coming down, they worked with us.

Turner: OK

Capt May: Everyone worked with us except the Houston FBI that worked against us to shut us down so that the attack could go through.

Turner: Hunh!

Capt May: So every time we have had one of these events, one of these interdiction actions, we have always had what we call the police posse where there was some cop who against all orders, just on raw instincts and guts was working along side of us.

Turner: Right.

Capt May: We have had military intelligence and military people working alongside us. We have had media cooperating. And it has always been rag tag because it can't be organized because all these people belong to institutions and organizations that are dedicated to pulling off the operation at the command level.

Turner: I understand.

Capt May: The next time we got involved, we predicted the 7-27-2005 attempt on Houston. Again, we predicted Houston petrochemical. That was last summer when you remember that CNN, Fox, everybody was running a special week talking about how Al Qaeda was going to pop a nuke in a port.

Turner: Yes.

Capt May: All summer.

Turner: I remember that.

Capt May: Well, we predicted 7-27, and on 7-28 -- British Petroleum-- these guys aren't creative, they pick out a target and they stick with it, because they have spent years, perhaps decades, preparing the target zone. And BP went up again one day off. Twenty four hours, 24 miles. Same thing happened again. The next one was January 31, 2006, this year. You will remember that because --remember the Mohammed the Bomber cartoon that came out in Europe?

Turner: Yes.

Capt May: That came out Feb 1st, and it made no sense, because all it did was spread bad will across the world.

Turner: Right.

Capt May: And we knew that it was a Zionist-organized thing, buddies of Wolfowitz, the neo-cons, the Bush Jews. But the reason it didn't make any sense was because Texas City was supposed to go up January 31st, and that cartoon was supposed to run the next day after Texas City had been bombed and they blamed it on Al Qaeda. It was an international Zionist hit, where that was simply the public relations component of it. We predicted 1-31-06 in Texas City, everybody told us we were crazy, we got no cooperation anywhere, but we got cyber radio like yours, the alternative radio market. [37:02]

Turner: Right.

Capt May: Well, wouldn't you know, the day right after our 1-31 prediction, a Weapons of Mass Destruction Civil Support Team of which there are only ten in the entire U.S. military inventory, just happened to be on the beaches of Texas City. That military asset showed up the day after our prediction, is called a day after nuclear team. Their only function is to go the day after a city is destroyed and assess the destruction.

Turner: So everything was planned then, according to you.

Capt May: Every time. Now that time we got inside the exercise schedule. Some contacts set up some information saying that they were running exercises out of Charleston, S.C., and Ft Monroe, Virginia simulating the demolition of a ten kiloton nuclear device in a U.S. city. Now they were supposed to be using Charleston, S.C. as their designated practice area. But we said Texas City. Not even the Texas City newspapers knew that that exercise was going to go down, and again Sgt Karshner my CID contact at HPD, Houston Police, he didn't know that they were going to be there, and he knows everything about this kind of stuff. [38:08]

Turner: So this team was scheduled to go to that place, and that could only mean that somebody intended to detonate a nuke in Texas City on the 31st.

Capt May: Right, unless you want to go with the one in ten thousand chance that you just happen to look outside your door some day and see a nuclear day after team there.

Turner: [Laughter]

Capt May: Which is what the FBI said. Now the last occasion that I think bears comment is Chicago. There were Chicago 9-11 exercises where they were going to simulate a Chicago 9-11 attack and a building collapse. Just like New York City.

Turner: Right.

Capt May: On May 2nd through 4th, this year. We got word of that April 23rd. I confirmed it through Indiana, Illinois National Guard public affairs officer, and the Chicago police department public information officer on the 26th of April. And then I published an international article. The 27th, Governor Blagojevich comes out with a press statement admitting for the first time, after having covered it up for six months, that there were going to indeed be 911 exercises. Now why did he admit that the day after we caught him? And when the exercises went through --and I am going to tell you, I don't have finger nails, but I would have bitten them down to the bone, because all of these were nip and tuck. Guess where Mayor Daley was for the first time in his career, Mister Turner, on May 3rd, the day that the building was supposed to collapse?

Turner: Where was he?

Capt May: He was with Israeli defense forces and Mossad in Israel, sir.

Turner: How convenient.

Capt May: Right. How treasonous.

Turner: Wow.

Capt May: In other words, sir, straight up, on the basis of my work as an officer on a mission of conscience, I intend to see some people tried for treason. And it could be done successfully on the basis of our work product --alone.

[After a commercial break, deleted from the sound file, a call-in to the show].

Brian: Hi, how are you doing Harold?

Turner: OK Brian, how are you?

Brian: Good, I sent you an email of a picture of an Abrams tank that was scorched black, and it was half melted and totally gone that took part in the Battle of Baghdad. It is a picture from ZOG media. From --looks like a Russian deal here. Apparently they suddenly stopped recording rate as soon as the Battle of Baghdad ended. They claim that the Russians knew that the U.S. had used a tactical neutron device in a public accusation from Russians who wanted to be politically expedient for the Russians. [40:30]

Turner: OK

Brian: It would force them to do something about it. And also I would like to talk briefly about the Battle of Fallujah. Now I was in ROTC for a while and I have been reading in military tactics for the better part of a decade and I know a good deal about city fighting and I don't think there is any way in hell that 6,000 U.S. Marines could attack 3,000 Iraqi insurgents in their own city, their own back yard. Lost 35 and killed 1,500. That is not how a city fight happens.

Turner: Right.

Brian: Look at the Battle of Hue in Vietnam. Look at Stalingrad. Look at Berlin. You get into a city fight, both sides lose 50-75% killed or wounded, that is a fact. I believe that Fallujah was horribly covered up. I would say that probably 4-500 Americans died at least, and at least 2,000 were horribly wounded.

Turner: Sure, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Brian: Unless they used some sort of tactical device. I was skeptical of what that officer said, and then I started to Google all this stuff online and it is out here and I had no idea. I did not even know there were theories about this. I mean, I have always believed that 9-11 was a government hit, and it is clear that when Silverstein said to pull it, you saw that remark when he said to pull it about no. 7? [41:47]

Turner: Yes.

Brian: It is clear that a building of that size, you can't have firefighters or demolition people rig it in an hour.

Turner. No.

Brian: Something like that takes weeks, months. It has to be carefully planned. It was a perfect implosion. It just caved in on itself. I mean when I started to believe in that sort of thing I started to say what else could be out there? I mean, this neutron bomb I believe it happened. First I was skeptical, but then I have seen pictures of an Abrams tank basically vaporized, melted.

Turner: Yes, that is like impossible.

Brian: I mean the Iraqis could not use their Soviet tanks to knock one out and burn it in Gulf War I. Do you believe that they could melt one in Gulf War II?

Turner: It is absurd.

Brian: So you think some kind of chemical or laser? [laughter]

Turner: [Laughter] All right Brian, thanks for your call. Hi, you are on the Hal Turner call, who are you, where are you calling from?

Rick: Hi, Hal, this is Rick from Ohio.

Turner: Hi Rick in Ohio, how are you?

Rick: Oh, pretty good. I just wanted to remind people that the problem with people in this country is they don't have a memory. But if you remember back when, what did they call him, Baghdad Bob was on TV. [43:02]

Turner: Yes.

Rick: He was talking about the Battle of Baghdad, he said the American forces had penetrated into the airport, but they were immediately counter attacked by Fedayeen and Iraqi forces and they were being pushed out as he spoke. Now this ties in with what he said there was an ongoing battle there, had been going on for hours, but they were being driven out, they were being destroyed by the Iraqi forces.

Turner: Yes.

Rick: And then the way the media handled it, of course, they showed film of humvees parked outside the airport, GI's walking around and then they just laughed at Baghdad Bob. The spokesman, and that is when they gave him the nickname "Baghdad Bob."

Turner: I remember.

Rick: And they just laughed at him and tried to humiliate him and that was the propaganda on the American people. Because it is easy for them to go in there, get out, take a little footage of the troops walking around, before the counter attack comes.

Turner: Sure.

Rick: So the effect is here, he was telling the truth.

Turner: He was.

Rick: Their response to him was to laugh at him. Ridicule him.

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. . ..Captain May is a former Army military intelligence and public affairs officer, as well as a former NBC editorial writer. His political and military analyses have appeared in The Wall Street Journal, The Houston Chronicle and Military Intelligence Magazine.



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