The Dynamic Duo
Host Dr. James H. Fetzer
interviews Captain Eric H. May
1st Hour, 24 April 2008
Abstract: This interview provides additional background behind "MAYDAY ALERT! —Terror Drills Could Go Live!" coauthored by Dr. James Fetzer, Major William Fox, Captain Eric May, and SFC Donald Buswell. It was released to the public on 26 April 2008 and quickly achieved mass web page reproduction on the Internet. In the first hour of this two hour interview session, Dr. James Fetzer and Captain Eric May discuss corruption in national media, government, and the highest levels of the military. This makes false flag operations possible in the first place. In the second hour, both Capt May and Maj Fox discuss false flag indicators that heighten risks that the 1-8 May 2008 National Level Exercise 2-08 could go "live." While this exercise features a hypothetical chemical attack on Seattle, Washington, Fox and May think that Portland, Oregon could still be at risk. Link here to the second hour.
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Dr. James H. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host from the Dynamic Duo with Kevin Barrett where you can catch the boy wonder here on Mondays and Fridays and I am here the rest of the week. My special guest today is Captain Eric May a former Army Intelligence Officer who is an investigative journalist and in my opinion is one of the most discerning students of covert operations and false flag attacks involving the United States in the world today. Eric, it is a great pleasure to have you back on the show.
Capt Eric H. May: Jim, it is always a delight; both you and your listeners.
Dr. Fetzer: I tell you, I was in Washington last week and gave a talk on the 15th, in front of the Capitol, about 9-11 and the antiwar movement and why I believe they should be more closely allied. And during the course of that I mentioned among other things how not just that there are so many dual citizens, joint Israeli-U.S. citizens that are part of the government that have influenced our foreign policy, which creates a major conflict of interest in my opinion. I called for them to resign from office in the interest of the nation, the United States of America. But I also mention, even more in your face, is that General Michael Hayden who is the head of the CIA is still a four star Air Force General and how he is therefore under the chain of command under the direct control of the President as Commander-in-Chief, so that how can you take for granted anything he says as being in his own words rather than being directives from the President. And I called for his resignation of his commission, or from his position. And I cannot believe this Eric, but I just opened the New York Times, for today's edition, and on page A22 there is a column in the bottom left "CIA Director Announces He Will Retire From Air Force."
Capt May: It is a weird thing for this to be going on. That is for sure. By the way, I read your column, what was the title?
Dr. Fetzer: "9-11 and the Neo-Con Agenda."
Capt May: It was excellent. In fact, for those that did not catch that on OpEdNews.com, a friend of mine, like you a former Leatherneck, Major William Fox, is going to be posting that at America First Books. And Major Fox has been a good collaborator with me. We have been working on false flag scenarios together.
Dr. Fetzer: I am also pleased to say that he is going to be joining us during the second hour.
Capt May: I heard from him, and I am very excited about that. He is a great American and a brave man. That's what it takes in these days.
Dr. Fetzer: This particular piece of mine should also appear on 911Scholars.org this evening on a version that includes links, which I believe Major Fox is also going to be posting. So that what is already up now, and you can find it for example at OpEd News, but it is also on one of Ron Paul's web sites. [But] Paul Daily [Daily Paul] does not have the links that support key points. So tonight, or maybe when Bill Fox comes on maybe he will tell us it may already be up. But I think those linked versions are particularly valuable. What is interesting is if you go to OpEd News, by the way, and track it down, if right now you go to the front page of opednews.com, go down the left hand column for OpEd pieces you will find it toward the bottom now where there are over twenty comments on it. Some of the comments are rather interesting, too.
Capt May: Well you know this is a real dynamic medium we have discovered. If you are like me, you know I am not a spring chicken. I did not come to computers until around 1995. So to discover what you can do with the World Wide Web, like when you talk about links, basically what the Internet has done, is it has allowed people like me, [former] mainstream editorialists --I wrote for NBC for instance-- now I write much more substantial pieces because everything that I put is almost like footnoting. [Like] writing a scholarly paper. Except because of the way the hyperlinks work, it is not half as cumbersome and stale like a scholarly paper. You can learn so much by just following the links.
Dr. Fetzer: Your mention of coming late to the Internet, and so forth, parallels my experience. In a very interesting and curious turn of events, in 1986-87 I participated in a program for PhD's in philosophy and linguistics and studied computer science and artificial intelligence at Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio. And when I got there, I had never used a computer. And they gave us then, there was a big mainframe at the university so you had like a dumb terminal that would link into the mainframe from your home. And I took that computer and it sat in a box in my study, in my home, for like two months before I was able to work up the nerve to take it out. Man, did I ever have machine anxiety.
Capt May: To bring it into the moment, what I suppose makes it happiest about this technological revolution is that the people, I am convinced, who wrote out the operational plans for this global push for power -- the New World Order -- the Post 9-11 Reality -- call it what you will, never dreamed that the power of the people to use the Internet as a new printing press for a new American Revolution --they never dreamed that that power would grow exponentially to become what it is now. So that as you and I and Major Fox will be discussing today, we are actually instituting an update. A false flag alert nationwide for May 1st through 8th, because of the upcoming national level catastrophe drills. We never could have done that ten years ago. But now it has gotten to the point that a couple, three people with authority and credibility can actually create a nationwide alert. And that is, I think, the single greatest factor that makes it most difficult for the Bush Administration to preserve operational security, or OpSec when it tries to set up future false flag terror.
Dr. Fetzer: Well I think you are absolutely right that the Internet has revolutionized communication and has made the possibility of research groups that exist in cyber space a reality. When I founded Scholars for 9-11 Truth in December 2005, for example, it was a matter of contact. All of our communications was by way of email. So the society has basically existed as a virtual entity. I mean it has a web site which I maintain. And periodically I send communications to our members. Periodically I hear from them and so forth. But that is what has enabled it to exist as an entity. Without the Internet it could not even exist.
Capt May: Well on my own side, I run Ghost Troop, which is probably the Internet's only cyber intelligence unit. It is made up of veterans and civilian researchers. There are about two to three hundred of us. And we work via user groups. Very much like the Scholars for 9-11 Truth thing where it is, what would you say-- collective intelligence-- is what it has become.
Dr. Fetzer: [10:00 music cue in background for break] Stand by, we will be back with my special guest, Captain Eric May.
This is Jim Fetzer, your host, on the Dynamic Duo.[15:03 end of break]...This is Jim Fetzer, my special guest for today is Captain Eric May, former Army Intelligence Officer and an expert on false flag operations and covert activities, especially by the United States. Eric, I want to hold off on the false flag attack alert until we have Bill on with us the second hour. But I wondered if you have seen this massive article in the New York Times published Sunday "Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon's Hidden Hand." An extremely thorough article about how former military officers have been brought on as independent experts on the war but they all have ties to the military industrial complex. And while MSNBC, Fox or whoever is using them is generally unaware that they have these ties, they clearly corrupt their objectivity. And it is obvious in many cases they are giving reports that are actually more favorable than in their expert judgment they believe to be the case.
Capt May: Well, of course. And you know it would be shocking at this point --I would not be shocked if it is so-- I would be shocked if it were not. Go back to the beginning of the war. As you know, I was on record with OpEd through the Houston Chronicle, my publisher, predicting that this would turn into a "quicksand war." That was my phrase, and we might wind up in a world war. Now that was analysis that I had stuck to the first time I published it shortly after Desert Storm back in 1992.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
Capt May: In '92, I was one of a zillion officers saying that. Because that was the party line. That is what everyone said after Bush '41. By the time Bush '43 came around, the party line had shifted. Reality had not. Iraq was still going to be a quicksand war. Suddenly instead of being one of a zillion officers, I became one in a zillion who was willing to say this was going to turn into quicksand and perhaps suck us into a world war. I remember at the early stages of the investigation every one of these officers; these colonels and these generals, just sounded like Pinocchio generals. They were puppets. They were trying to pretend that there were not any strings on them. But the strings were there. And I recall in one cable service after another, one mainstream broadcast after another, that if someone actually showed a little bit of independence that person was never invited again. So what I saw was an excellent civilian academic on CNN probably a week into the invasion. And at this point everyone was thumping the "Rah! Rah! We're Going to Win!" and "It Is All Going to Be Over By Summer!" and they asked the civilian academics, "What do you think? What do you think Hussein is thinking right now?" And of course he was supposed to say, "Oh, Saddam Hussein is trembling." But what the guy said was: "I think Saddam Hussein right now is thinking that things are going exactly like he thought. He never thought he was going to be able to fight the American army. And he is going to be doing a defense in depth where he is going to trade out everything to effectively start a resistance after we take the country." Now that was the best analysis I heard in the entire invasion phase. And I have never seen this guy again. Because he had, what do they say, the inconvenient technique of being right at the wrong time?
Dr. Fetzer: Speaking truth when what you want to hear is something different.
Capt May: Well all these generals, the thing that is really hypocritical about it from the time, I know the New York Times chief Pentagon correspondent, Tom Shanker. Shanker and I were in touch back in the summer of 2003. Everybody, all these writers, knew this war was a sack of crap. Everybody knew in the summer of 2003 that it was already Vietnam. Everybody suppressed the truth. Everybody was covering up military reality. The Battle of Baghdad, the actual battle by which we took the city of Baghdad, is never even reported. So for the Times to talk about the TV generals is the pot calling the skillet black. Because if you look at --take any of these entities-- take MSNBC. MSNBC has puppet generals reporting for it. We all know that now. We knew it before we read it in the Times. So that is bad and it is hypocritical. But at the same time, MSNBC is a service arm of General Electric whose biggest client is the wartime military. So why in the hell did we ever think that there would be independent analysis out of MSNBC? Take a look at CNN. If you watch, let's say, a lot of times I watch Wolf Blitzer. A big time Zionist. I catch him from around 3:00 to 6:00 PM central. What kind of military analysis do you get? About one quarter of the commercials on Wolf Blitzer's Situation Room are paid for by Lockheed Martin. I mean, come on! The idea that anyone in the media would call themselves embedded, for God's sake, what are they doing? Are they really accusing the generals of blackening their high standards? It is a constant attempt by all the parties who sold us the war to try to shift the blame around as if they weren't all in it thick as thieves. So when the news media reports on how the White House gave them bad information, or the generals gave them bad commentary, all that means is that the White House and the generals are doing exactly what the embedded media was doing. This was a team effort.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, yes.
Capt May: One thing that makes me feel better, Jim, which you know my hand out, my business card reads as Captain Eric H. May, Intelligence Correspondent for the Lone Star Iconoclast, my flagship paper. For the longest time, I cannot tell you, how many times I had people give me crap by saying, "You know, you should not put Captain on your title. Ah, Captain is not high enough ranking. You are not the expert, a general is, or something like that. And at this point, who is laughing at who? This Captain has held up his rank a lot better than a lot of generals have.
Dr. Fetzer: [22:49 background music] Standby, we'll
be right back with my special guest, Captain Eric May. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Dynamic Duo. [28:00 returning from break] ...today my special guest is Captain Eric May, and we will be joined during the second hour by Major William Fox who is collaborating with Captain May on a false flag warning we are going to be discussing the second hour. For the moment now Eric I have three articles that I want to ask you about that are dated the 22nd, the 23rd, and the 24th.
Capt May: OK.
Dr. Fetzer: Respectively,
the first was a report by Prime Minister Olmert of Israel saying in an interview broadcast on Sunday that Iran is not as close as it pretends to developing nuclear weapons. And he says there is a possibility of bringing about a situation in which Iran is non-nuclear without a military operation. Now a lot of us would find this very reassuring if we could take it at face value, my concern therefore is can a remark like this be taken at face value?
Captain May: I don't think so. I mean, you know, we have to look throughout history. How often people talk peace when they are preparing for war. You know the U.S. and the Japanese were both preparing for war in 1940- '41, but they were talking peace. There is the whole Munich Conference of '38 when the fascist powers were preparing for war, but talking peace. You know Olmert making this statement, you know I would like to read a lot into it, but remember just today, rather yesterday, we have a new story coming out through the U.S. mainstream media which is about equally an adjunct to the U.S. state apparatus and the Israeli state apparatus. And that news story is that Syria has North Korean nuclear assistance [to Syria]. In general, it does not look to me like Israel is in any way interested in defusing pressure. Or defusing a military situation in the Middle East. So I would say put a book mark by that one, and let's wait and see. But I certainly would not put any money on it.
Dr. Fetzer: Well, the article you are talking about is in fact the third one, the one dated April 24th, that I wanted to ask you about. Presumably this video which was supposed to show the interior of a reactor that produces plutonium that is just like one that the North Koreans have was instrumental in Israel's decision to bomb the facility last September 6th.
Capt May: That could just be a cover story. There are a lot of reports at the time that Israel is simply probing Syrian air defense.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
Capt May: All we know is that they put ordnance down on Syria.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
Capt May: That story that came out in the fall we are now seeing again linking North Korean nuclear energy to Syria, it sounds like a causus belli story to me.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, meaning laying down a predicate, a basis for taking military action.
Capt May: Exactly. It is one of those stories that says, "Well, who could blame Israel for the attack?"
Dr. Fetzer: You know what struck me as odd about this at the time Eric was there was so little consternation about it. I mean, you would think when one country bombs another in order to take out its nuclear facilities or whatever that this is going to be a big deal. Maybe it is because of Israeli influence on the mass media of the United States that it was basically suppressed.
Capt May: Well like I say, you know I am kind of a cynic in this area. My background was Russian intelligence, and you know dealing with the Soviet media. I tried to figure an ideal geostrategic model. I figure American media as being simply a propaganda press. Like Josef Goebbel's press or like Tass. And I figure it as the mouthpiece for a global elite that is about half Anglo and half Judeo. I mean the American media speaks as much for the power elite of Israel as the power elite of the United States. In reality, those two power elites have become one power elite. You know now I think we have in effect just as much as World War II was the product of actions of Berlin, Rome, and Tokyo, I think World War III, our war --the global war-- is a product of an axis between London, New York, and Jerusalem. This is one globalist Zionist cabal. And the American-U.S. or British-UK media is simply the mouthpiece for it. That is why if people tell me "You always see it." Everyone once in a while I love to use Marxian words. But when I hear "bourgeoisie liberals" tell me, "Oh, I do not watch that corporate crap, I listen to PBS" or "I read The Nation." Or, "I tune in BBC." And I am thinking, "What is the difference?" I mean, what is the difference? All I do is throw in a British accent, a couple of IQ points, and make you think you know what is going on. But it is the same crap. There is no independent media. So when you say, "The U.S. media is suppressing an Israeli attack in the fall" --very much so. But remember that Israeli attack in the fall using this same hyped up North Korea-nuke-Syria pretext, throw in a smidgen of Hezbollah, and throw in half a cup of Iranian proxy war, right, that is their magical recipe, right? That story was being hyped up last time at the same time that we had the Minot Air Force base loose nuke story that Webster [Tarpley], you and I, Kevin Barrett, and a lot of other people, were pushing the Kennebunkport Warning, saying that Israel and the U.S. are maybe arranging a false flag event to attack Iran and Syria. You know all these stories were going down at the same time. So that story from the fall did not come about independently, it was part of a general pattern of indicators that we were going towards a world war footing. And I see it the same way now. There are a lot of indicators out there that this spring could be a very active one. So I think that [the story about] North Korean nuclear material in Syria as being another indicator that there may be something up. Syria, by the way, they are ramping up for a war. Israel has its largest ever military-civilian drills, what, two weeks ago? [Editor's note: from 6-10 April 2008].
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
Capt May: Everybody is practicing.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
Capt May: So they are talking peace...
Dr. Fetzer: But they are preparing for war.
Capt May: Right.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course we had that stunning report from the Saudi Arabian newspaper that the Kingdom has been warned to prepare for coping with nuclear fallout from an attack on the Iranian reactors and this was right after the experts were warning them. But it was right after Dick Cheney's visit, so I am confident that the expert who was warning them was Dick Cheney.
Capt May: Yeah. Like everyone looks like they have their guns limbered up.
Dr. Fetzer: [36:41 heading into the break]. Stand by, we will be back... [42:00 coming out of break] ... Eric, the other article I wanted to bring up is from the 23rd, Wednesday, where Navy Admiral Mike Mullen is now the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told a group of NCO's at a breakfast at Ft. Belvoir, Virginia that he thinks this is the most dangerous period he has ever seen in more than 40 years in uniform. You know, I think he is worried.
Capt May: What do you think the context of that was? You mean the geostrategic situation?
Dr. Fetzer: Well, I think it is not terribly specific. He says, let's see, he is just encouraging them to fulfill their roles as NCO's, but of course there could be all kinds of reasons. He said, "The world has entered an era of persistent conflict and NCO's must be ready to confront and lead change. This is the most battle-hardened force we have ever had." Of course he is talking about the constant rotation in and out of Iraq. Of course "battle-hardened forces" are also committing suicide at an astounding rate, and are coming back without arms and legs.
Capt May: Right. Yeah, I think that is hype.
Dr. Fetzer: Yeah.
Capt May: The world is a dangerous place because we are making it that way.
Dr. Fetzer: Well maybe he is concerned too about the possibility of whacking Iran. I mean, you know, if we have this wonderful Admiral removed from his position, basically.
Capt May: "Fox" Fallon.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes,
"Fox" Fallon, who seems to me to be like as good as we have in our entire U.S. military. He really strikes me as an outstanding man of great courage, conviction, intelligence, knowledge, competence, so when you lose a guy like that...
Capt May: And replace him with Petraeus..
Dr. Fetzer: Yeah, and
the idea of sometimes referring to Petraeus as "Betray Us" as in that ad that appeared in the New York Times before he testified. I think that Petraeus does betray us. This to me is non-hypothetical.
Capt May: You know Fallon, the previous CentCom [Central Command] commander, who as we have said at other times was probably the biggest impediment to a Bush attack on Iran, he nixed that idea as CentCom commander. Fallon referred to Petraeus, the Iraq forces commander, as "An ass-kissing little chicken sh*t."
Dr. Fetzer: [laughter]. I know, I know.
Capt May: So now the ass-kissing little chicken sh*t has got his job. Bush promoted --that came out today-- that they are going to promote Petraeus as CentCom commander. So Petraeus is a "Betray Us" general. He will do anything he needs to do. He is a totally implicated Bush apparatchik And his elevation bodes ill for our Middle Eastern policy. You know, we were talking earlier about the puppet generals. The analysts. I have got to tell you, I really wish there were not so much serious stuff like false flag alerts to be done, because I would love to be able to use my weekly column to go after all these damn general officers.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
Capt May: Because from Petraeus
down to these CNN generals is all the same shoddy cloth. As I say, time and again, I have had people contact me and say, "How dare you throw your little nickle and dime Captain's rank on there like it means something. You know, you are not a general." And I am thinking now, "Thank God I am not a general!" Why didn't I sign my stuff with my old enlisted rank, call myself "Sergeant May." It would have been better still. This top of the power pyramid is made up of compromised people. You know, I never would have believed that before, Jim. I always heard people say as you did, "Oh, being an officer is all politics." And you know, "The higher you get up, the more political it is." I believed that much. But I never would have believed before this war that you couldn't be a general, or a general in an important position, if you weren't compromised. They are counting on these generals to be compromised. These generals are compromised as a matter of course.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes. You couldn't be in such a position unless you were compromised.
Capt May: Right, they would not trust you.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, they would not trust you. Well, I think that squeezing "Fox" out is a perfect illustration. This guy is completely admirable from every point of view.
Capt May: It started out that way.
General Shinseki was squeezed out for talking truth to Congress. Petraeus gets patted on the back because he was willing to B.S. Congress. Not that Congress really cares. The whole executive/legislative process is "Don't ask, don't tell."
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
Capt May: Congress doesn't want to know.
The executive branch does not want to say. So they are looking for generals who will reflect that. All it means, though, is that the confidence of the troops in their leadership will continue to plummet. Who would trust any of these guys? I mean, you know...
Dr. Fetzer: Well with Petraeus
and Crocker come in there to testify before the Senate I say why even bother to swear them in. In fact, they may not be [sworn in]. They have got very lax about that. It is completely irresponsible. They do not even swear these people in. I remember when the energy people came in they did not swear them in.
Capt May: I think it was Ray McGovern who during the last Petraeus hearing yelled out "Swear them in!"
Dr. Fetzer: That's right
Capt May: I think he got booted.
Dr. Fetzer: He did. He got booted. He never did swear him in.
Capt May: Right.
Dr. Fetzer: Well this just shows how disgusting it is. This is the Bush administration's mentality. They want everyone to be able to get away with any crime, no matter how heinous. Never pay any price for it. Calling itself an accountability administration was so much happy horse sh*t.
Capt May: Right. Well, you can count on people like that. Remember, the General...again, I am almost writing this article in my head on the air with you, but General Petraeus
and the puppet generals on TV controlling General Powell --remember-- this whole thing was sold, as much as anything, through Collin Powell. Particularly the U.N. dog and pony show. And he did everything he could to cover his ass by having Tenet and the CIA sign on with info. But he knew it was bull. And we have got to remember Collin Powell was the guy who was sent --I think he was a Major, maybe a LtCol--he was the guy who was sent to cover up My Lai back in what, 1969?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes
Capt May: Colin Powell, man.
--he was the officer doing the investigation for the Corps command for the My Lai massacre. And he brought back a report, "Nothing irregular here. All Viet Cong."
Dr. Fetzer: That is very bad. I have often thought very, very favorably of Colin Powell, and yet he was a member of that group. "Dedicated to principles," so they called themselves. That included Dick Cheney and George Tenet and John Ashcroft and Condoleeza Rice who were deciding who was going to be tortured and what methods were going to be used to torture them.
Capt May: Right, that little S&M club. That was meeting in the White House basement.
Dr. Fetzer: Right. A little S&M club! That is right!
Capt May: It sounds like a kinky thing. Condi Rice was wearing black leather around that time. She went through her black leather phase.
Dr. Fetzer: [51:00 entering the break] Stand by, we'll be right back [for the second hour] with my special guest, Captain Eric May, and we are going to be joined by Major Bill Fox when we return. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Dynamic Duo.
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