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Frank Whalen Interview

Host Frank Whalen
interviews Captain Eric H. May

3rd Hour, 23 February 2006


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Frank Whalen: You are listening to Thursday's edition of Frankly Speaking, I am Frank Whalen your host this Thursday this February 23rd, 2006. About 8:01 here in the central time zone . . . one thing we focus on is the forthcoming situation in Iran, not only over natural resources but also to protect Israel and supposedly spread weapons of mass destruction. We know what it really is, to insure the financial future of the dollar, the petro dollar, and all oil is based on this...But needless to say, how can they pull this thing off? The fear of weapons of mass destruction does not exist. I do not believe that anyone here legitimately believes that Iran is capable of striking the U.S. with a nuclear weapon either over our soil causing an electromagnetic pulse, which is one of the fear mongering tactics that have been explored, but also just to attack us in general. They are far, far away. We really do not think much about that. Honestly, the average American, right? . . . (2 min: 20 sec). I mean, if it were our next door neighbor, and they had a nuclear weapon, that might be a bit different. But subsequently, we do not fear that. But, we all know the power of government to sponsor terrorism or government to permit terrorism. It is like, oh well, we will look the other way. Whatever position you chose to take on events, like the first World Trade Center bombing, September 11th, Oklahoma City, Pearl Harbor, all these different events. And that is just in this country. There are other examples abroad. There is nothing to mobilize people in a certain direction for a certain purpose. We have seen it time and time again. So whenever we are concerned about the efforts being made to make us in a certain direction, we have to start paying attention. And there are people out there with information that needs to get out there, in my opinion. And I will put it to you this way, when you walk outside the house, and the weather man says it is going to rain, do you believe him? Or do you say, I do not believe that because I don't want it to rain. What if he is right, though. Take an umbrella just in case. That is what I am calling for here folks. Today and always, just in case, explore all the options. Prepare, if you need to in a way that you can. Because make no mistake, they have to have this war. It has to happen. Now it can happen in a number of different ways. Obviously if something happens. A major terrorist attack on U.S. soil, mass U.S. casualties both here and abroad, including troops, if that were to get out, that would mobilize people. It would allow a stronger Patriot Act to pass. It is going to allow police state measures. It will allow people to look the other way for things like NSA wiretaps and more stringent controls. National ID cards. Microchip implants. Inter and intra state checkpoints. Make no mistake, this will all be done by design. They can get a lot of things, given the green light, if there is a terrorist attack, otherwise they have to jump through insane amounts of hoops. Especially with criticism like Cheney gunning down his buddies and situations like these port deals. So given all this information, when it looks like something might be occurring, when we come back our guest will talk about his work to cover some of these plots. Stay with us folks, we will be back with more Frankly speaking radio. [entering break].

Whalen: (9 min; 3 sec) You might put a lot of stock in a weather forecaster who has been right every time, and that is the case with our guest from Ghost Troop, please welcome Captain Eric May.

Capt May: Thanks, it is a great pleasure to be here.

Whalen: Well, the honor is mine, my friend. One of the things we discussed yesterday, which really resonated with me, is we talked about doing things for the right reasons. It is not that you have to be motivated by anything other than common sense, a pretty good sense of morals and ethics. But that these days qualifies as heroic activities. And I agree with you it does not take much to be a hero today, it just involves bucking the system and doing the right thing for the right reason. And because no one else is doing this people can look at you and say "This guy is a hero." And really I think you are.

Capt May: I thank you for the complement and the analysis you gave about what it takes to be a hero. And by your definition I suppose I would be. But that does not raise the bar that high. So I do not want to make it seem like any phenomenal feat. Anyone who obeys the basic dictates of being an American citizen who seeks to have information, and upon receiving that information, seeks to do the right thing, is just the kind of hero you are talking about. Or in Christian terms, is just a kind of witness. I guess what we are talking about is witnessing. And of course in the Bible it says, I suppose the New Testament is nothing but the story of the Son of God who comes to witness and is willing to be martyred to do it. Now fortunately you do not have to die to tell the truth, but sometimes you have to be willing to take the chance. And I think the lack of willingness on the part of people to take that chance. This is what led us to the brink of disaster. And I agree with you in your previous assessment which is pretty much the substance of what we talked about yesterday that the disaster has been pre-planned as a continuation of the 9-11 war scenario via an escalation to a nuclear 9-11.

Whalen: It is very problematic and like I said earlier you and I discussed yesterday there are so many examples in history. Not only in American history, but also history in general. World history that make these points. The idea of it is still hard for a lot of people to swallow. And I imagine even for you, knowing what you know, and doing what you do, these realizations are probably hard to come to. At what point did you realize that these events are manipulated for a purpose to serve this agenda?

Capt May: Very curiously, I understood the point very early in my military career, for I was a young intelligence officer. [Capt May speaks a few phrases of Russian]. I was trained at your good tax dollar expense to be a Russian linguist and someone who interpreted official Soviet organs of information. Like Pravda and Tass. So the idea that governments did nothing but lie and arrange things through the media that said they were there to tell the truth and report about things --that idea was real easy for me because, you know, your tax dollars taught me to think that way. The hard part was coming to realize that my government was just like them.

Whalen: Yes.

Capt May: Now that happened a bit late for me. Mr. Whalen, I just sent you my documents. I think you discussed them with Trish Daniels. But those include my war analyses to the Houston Chronicles. Right before the war started, I was publishing very strong pieces on the war of terror specifically thinking that Al Qaeda was going to hit us. So I was strictly on board with the Bush people going into the beginning of the Iraq War. It was the first month of the Iraq war in early April when we reached Baghdad I came to realize that we were operating with a propagandized media. All your listeners out there are going to remember Private Jessica Lynch.

Whalen: Yes.

Capt May: A cute American kid who got wounded in an ambush, knocked out, knocked crazy, and injured for life, who was rescued, the story went, from an Iraqi hospital. Well, we found out later that Jessica Lynch indeed did not fight in that battle. She was knocked out. That the rescue was not really a rescue, it was just coming to pick her up. The Iraqis had tried to give her to us the day before. The whole thing was hyped. What they don't understand is the reason it was hyped was that you may remember that Baghdad Bob statement that the Iraqis had counterattacked us at the Baghdad Airport and had killed hundreds of U.S. GI's. That report was correct. The entire Battle of Baghdad really is what most people have this Band-Aid of memory called Jessica Lynch to hide. The media coherently and purposely broadcast a four day lie. From April 4th to April 8th that Jessica Lynch was the biggest story in Iraq. The biggest story in Iraq was that we had to fight for that capital city. You remember after the event was over the media said "Well, uh..." They kind of left and handed it to us.

Whalen: And that I think a lot of people found hard to swallow. That is like overtime at the big game. That is the thing everyone wanted to watch.

Capt May: That is the goal-line play. I mean, no, you come up with a perfectly apt metaphor. Sports is a metaphor for war. And in sports terms, that was the end of the Super Bowl, we were on the goal line, looking at it as a contest. The war as a contest. It was covered up. At the end of the cover up period, once Baghdad had been taken --with an extreme loss of life, by the way-- on the Iraqi side and a substantial loss of life --as high as a thousand -- on the American side. That being the Third Infantry Division and the Marine Expeditionary Force that accompanied them. When it was all over, they broadcast that they pulled down the Saddam Hussein statue. Which is really a ham-handed way of saying "Look, Saddam has fallen, we will show you." Again, we will show you. Pull down the statue. Baghdad has fallen. We will show you. Pull down the statue. In other words, they did the most crude form of propaganda techniques against the American public. Now my last MOS, Military Occupational Specialty, was when I was a general staff officer with the 75th Division, an exercise specialist group, in Houston Texas as a public affairs officer. I am a school trained Defense Information School public affairs officer. Everything that happened in Baghdad was propaganda used against the American people. And every bit of that is in violation of the Department of Defense principles of information, which represents the Bible of ethics by which public affairs officers are trained. So from that moment, when did I realize that things were being staged, contrived, manipulated set-up. The realization began for me the week end of the Battle of Baghdad cover up. Incidentally, given that you link to a couple of sites on my page, the first one there is the Battle of Baghdad cover up and that represents the first year of my work as Ghost Troop commander.

Whalen: Now, describe if you would what Ghost Troop is. Why was it started, what is its mission, and then we will get into some of the things you guys have worked on.

Capt May: Sure, shortly after we realized the Battle of Baghdad cover up in the beginning of April, I took a trip out to Fort Stewart and there I met with a Col Neil Bennington, division chaplain, who was involved in the cover up. He confirmed that there had been a cover up. He confirmed for me that the Constitution was being disobeyed. He stated to me that assassinations are repressive measures that would be used to keep this secret. He advised me not to have survivors guilt and to forget all about it. For two months I did so, until July 2003. I wanted to wait and see if there was going to be a chance to weigh in with this and make a difference, because it was clear to me that the Bush people were looking to pull us into a world war if they were going to be covering up entire battles. In July 2003 I became active as an editorial writer for the Houston Chronicle. I had a lot of contacts. I made a lot of political contacts and published a major op ed piece attacking Bush in early July of 2003. As a consequence of that there were several: There were a lot of people doing the same in July 2003, because it was clear by then that the war was not going to be a three week war with happy Iraqis and dollar per gallon gasoline waiting for us. It was going to be a Vietnam. There were a lot of us who went on the attack against Bush. All of us wound up hiding or underground. The reasons are contained at [my] web site. At that point I considered myself to be in a special state of war. A thing called "info war." It is a term that is used here and there. And info war, in this world war to be that they are trying to set up, will be understood in the same way as the Blitzkrieg and blitz warfare are understood to be the state of the art that made World War II happen. "Info war" is the new form of warfare that is happening for this in their attempt to start up World War III. So what I did as a good officer was begin to seek out veterans and associates who would join a cyber intelligence unit with me. And we called ourselves Ghost Troop. We named ourselves in honor of the uncounted dead who died in Baghdad and were covered up. What I figured is that if no one else is going to acknowledge these brave men who gave their lives for a bad war, I think, but they gave their lives like good soldiers doing their duty --if no one is going to appreciate that fundamental reality, I and my command will and we will name ourselves Ghost Troop. So for the first year, Ghost Troop ramped up from about a dozen people to a few dozen people. It is currently at about 200 people.

Whalen: If I can jump in here for a quick commercial break, (19 min; 49 sec), if you go to our web site you can link up to Captain May's web site and read these things that we are just discussing.

Whalen: [After the break, 23:20] I have known a lot of ex-military people in my life. And anyone who was in the military they will not call themselves "ex" military, but will call themselves "military." Or "retired." But that does not mean they are necessarily out, because they know full well that the oath that they saw fit to take are oaths that are not determined by contract. It is a way of living. And I appreciate that. I think that every one of us, when you are a part of something we believe in, and it does not necessarily have to be an organization. Sometimes it is just the place you live. Like I said, I love this country, not for what it is, and not for what it was, but for what it can be. Because there are good people out there. I think that our guest today is definitely one of those people who has gone above and beyond in service to his country who is welcome back to our program. Captain May of Ghost Troop. Thank you so much for your time, sir.

Capt May: Thanks again Mr. Whalen.

Whalen: Frank, please.

Capt May: My pleasure. I hate to be stiff and formal with "Captain" but I do that because getting back to Ghost Troop I announced I was on an official mission of conscience. Actually, a funny story about how that happened. I filed reports with the military up to the Department of Defense. With the Department of the Army Inspector General, with the Department of the Army Public Affairs Inspector General, the 3-4 [G3-G4?] Inspector General at Fort Hood, and the Fort Stewart Inspector General which is the home base of the Third Infantry Division where all the losses were sustained and covered up. I filed official documents and followed those up by actually calling in the summer of 2003 the Department of the Army Public Affairs where I talked to a few public affairs officers. A Col John who I spoke with. They acknowledged the Baghdad cover up. They basically said you are going to get killed doing this. And I said, "That is the mission." It sounds stupid, I guess it sounds stupid, you are right, I took an oath to defend the country and to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Once I ascertained that we are in the grip of domestic tyranny --lies -- illegal propaganda conducted against the American people. Psychological warfare. I had no choice but to take the view of it that I was going to continue with the mission. When I said that I was going to go through it all the way, what the people at Public Affairs --these were the people who were doing the cover ups-- what they themselves told me is that proclaim it as a mission of conscience. That is your best chance. I had never thought, like so many people who do things, they never think to label the things they are doing. But what I am doing is a mission of conscience. That being the case, I always go by my military rank. Because I am not a person, I am an officer, Captain May. It is a lot harder being an officer than a person. You are holding yourself to a code. The way I view it, you know at the site you show the second pictures which show me in military dress uniform, but I also show my dress uniform as a martial arts instructor. I teach under a grand master Yu Yan Chu (spelling?). The view that we take in the martial arts is that once you commit to an action, you have to be fearless and without hesitation. And the perfect example we have of that is breaking a brick with your hand. It is not something the average person can do because they say oh man, I am just going to break this brick with my hand. It takes a lot of focus, and it takes absolutely forgetting about the consequences of failing to break the brick. If you are worried about not being able to break the brick, you can't break the brick. So info war, as we are doing it in Ghost Troop, means being utterly committed to our principles and our cause to whatever length that takes us. To whatever result that takes us. And that is what makes us a powerful unit. Much more powerful than our rank and connections. We also have some high ranking and connected people. It makes us like a David to the Bush team goliath. They are a goliath operation. But the first year Ghost Troop was totally involved and working on the Battle of Baghdad cover up. Our introduction into info war is that current government is lying about specific major details of the war that should have been in the province of public discussion. Because after all the American people are sovereign by virtue of a free press, and free distribution of information. Absent those pre-suppositions, there is no sovereign American people. We live in a dictatorship. The first year we stuck to that, it was not until I had been in the info war for a year that I was contacted, we might say linked up with, by a Marine Captain Jeff Cross. He was a World Trade Center witness. He was five blocks away from the WTC demolition when it occurred. He was the first one who started working on me that 9-11 was an inside operation. After that point, curiously enough, even though we were on the cutting edge of discovering Bush team lies on the war, we did not have a clue. At least I did not. That 9-11 was anything but what it was represented as. I had just not got to that part of the info war. This was Feb of 2004. Soon thereafter, once we realized 9-11 was a setup, it all broke free for me at that point. I came to realize that since government false terror had to be admitted to the equation, and since the equation from the beginning of my experience was the Battle of Baghdad, obviously involved overturning the U.S. Constitution --violating U.S. law governing conduct of the military and its information function -- since all this was being done to lead the United States into a regional war to take the oil from the Middle East, then more fake terror events were likely.

Whalen: Right on. And we will get to that as soon as we return here folks (29 min, 39 sec). We will return with Captain May with Frankly Speaking Radio. Stay with us.

Whalen: Good morning my friends, welcome back to our show Frankly speaking radio, and tell you what, we have talked before about this, there is a lot of information that goes out over a lot of different air waves. Here on this program we try to focus on the truth. Tell people what they have not heard before and that they need to know. For their own personal edification. Their own knowledge, their own experience. Their own safety and their own health. There are a lot of great guests who come on the show and share these things with us, and it is important. And I tell you what. I know for fact that this show is monitored. I know for fact that it is vital that information is mentioned. You know Rumsfeld was just talking at the Council on Foreign Relations about how the United States has to wage a propaganda war, because the administration jumps on information too slowly compared to the Internet. And of course he is referring to the enemy. And to those that read that story, they would think of the enemy as being Al Qaeda and foreign operatives and things like that, but I think we have been conditioned in this country, given the Patriot Act being passed and it only being applied to American citizens, we have been made to feel like the enemy. We have been made to feel like we are afraid. Like we are guilty until we get a pat on the head from the master, and then we are allowed to wag our tail again. It is a sad, sad state of affairs. But again, because I know this show is monitored, I want this to be a good opportunity for people to hear these things, and understand that this is an outreach. This is an intervention. For those who are on the payroll and forced to monitor this broadcast, with their pen in hand and their headphones on, they might go "Annhh --I wish they would talk about something interesting." Look, this show is for you guys too. And Captain May, our guest, I mentioned this to you that with this show I try to approach it with even those who are told that they need to monitor broadcasts like this or told that people like yourself are the enemy, we need to reach out to those people. Because they are not our enemy until we make them our enemy. And we do not need to go after those people. We need to wake those people up. These people are great potential allies, and obviously with ghost troop at over 200 people, you are waking up high profile people. And people are getting involved. Because they want to make a difference. They realize the realities of this situation. And they want to help. Captain May.

Capt May: (a long pause in sound, then some garbled sound, then voice comes through clear) first two were Latin and Greek, that is what I studied in college. It goes back to Socrates, who said that no one was willingly bad. They just did not understand how to be good. They were confused. One can argue that philosophically and historically, but I think that there has never been a time as it was so clear as at present. All the apparatus, since we have come up to the point where we have established how Ghost Troop got there, what it does, and how it started with the year working on up, investigating the cover up of the Battle in Baghdad, we have come to the point that we have discovered that terrorism was indeed false flag government-sponsored terrorism at home. The whole modus operandi of establishing terrorist acts at home first presupposes that everyone who does the act is being B.S.'ed. If you told the people who did the World Trade Center, yeah, you are doing X-Y-and Z so that you can blow up the world trade center, or rather blow down the world trade center, and kill a few thousand people, and take us into a criminal world war, you could not have found one person in a hundred to do it. That one person in a hundred was probably a political appointee of the Bush family and put in charge of 99 people who did not know what was happening."

Whalen: Right.

Capt May: The other 99 people were running NORAD defenses under Cheney's command out of the bunker. You know, police and fire department drills. Those people were covering up or turning their heads the other way. Or closing their eyes. There are many gradations of involvement in these acts. And most of the gradations allow the person who is doing it to think that they are somehow not part of it. They rationalize accounts of what is going on and what people are doing. Once people begin to realize for instance that a nuclear exercise, once you have the idea inserted or imbedded into the minds of the people who are part of the exercise, that there are a lot of people on the Internet who say that exercises are being used as cover to take exercise scenarios live as we speak, to actually do the events we are rehearsing, once 10%of your people realize that, you can't do it any more. You know, the greatest weapon in the world is truth. In fact, there is a favorite passage. In John. [Captain May speaks some Greek]. "In the beginning was the word." Because if you want to say that everything we do in the info war, whether it is me, Ghost Troop commander Captain May, or you, Frank Whalen, host of Frankly Speaking, what we do is really make the word flesh. We take this concept, this logos, and transform it into what people will hear and what they discuss. As we continue to do that, it becomes more and more difficult for a government, let's face it, has got a loser war abroad. That is not the fault of the Army, the Marines, the Air Force, the Navy, or anyone else. It is the fault of the White House. They have a loser war at home and abroad, and they have domestic abuses of about five hundred different varieties catching up with them at home. So right now they have become less and less able to do what they want to do more and more. The only solution to this dilemma is to continue to hoodwink people and to do it so effectively that people will allow the White House to order and execute a nuclear false flag attack under cover of an exercise, blaming it on Al Qaeda or some party and pointing the finger at Iran as the country of origin for the nuclear device. I think you said all of that.

Whalen: Yes. Absolutely, and right on point. This is obviously standard operating procedure for them. Because once again in one fell swoop they can get all of their agendas met. Whereas opposed to again struggling, struggling to get anything accomplished. It is something that they want. And Tommy Franks talked about this years ago. It was in December of 2003, I think it was.

Capt May: He bet that the Constitution would not survive another attack.

Whalen: No. And he said mass casualty event on U.S. soil or on one of our allies. The American response to Sept 11th was such grief that the focus was not on the ball, but it was really an emotion rather than a logical reaction. But you did see the surveys. 70-80% of people said that they would sacrifice their civil liberties to be safe. So what you have under those circumstances is basically people who are just numb. Their brain is numb because their emotions are so raw. We know that if something like that were to occur, the same thing magnified tenfold, people would welcome a police state. They would welcome concentration camps for Muslims or whomever deemed to be enemies of the state. They would welcome shows like this to be shut down because it is too painful to hear stuff like the truth.

Capt May: Well all of that is true. It deserves a premise, though. If they can set it up right, everything you just said would happen. So for instance with 9-11, when I said what we discovered was the Battle of Baghdad on April 4th-5th on 2003, that they were running psychological operations against the American people, that means they are using propaganda. Public Affairs people are no longer doing public affairs. They are doing Psychological Operations. Public Affairs means you tell the truth to your people so that they can be in charge of national policy and set history for themselves. Psychological Operations means you tell whatever you want to the people to get them to do what you want.

Whalen: Right

Capt May: So the PsyOps element of all of this is key. When I say the info war is the key to the entire World War scenario, that is after three years of fighting the info war, man. That is an expert opinion. Because the info war was so deep, the PsyOps -The Psychological Operations - was so deep, that on the day they did the attacks on the World Trade Center, they did them on one of the three numbers that before this ever happened, what three numbers would you have called if you had a burglar breaking into your house with a gun. Your grandma has broken down and broken her hip. You know. Your wife had influenza and was in horrible condition. You would have immediately called 9-11.

Whalen: Not to mention that it is not called typically September 11th. It is called 9-11 or 911.

Capt May: Of course. You see what they are trying to do is you have to, with successful propaganda, this goes back to the Third Reich. I am a student of the Hitler, Goebbels propaganda apparatus of the Third Reich. You always take the most basic level of propaganda point and you always reinforce them with the most crude devices possible with the greatest frequency available. You drown out all other thoughts with very basic propaganda thoughts. 9-11 successfully did that. From the minute it happened, we were already thinking emergency, because we had been taught the previous decade that 9-11 was the number for emergency. We are already hoping for some guy with, you know, an M16 in one hand and a baseball bat in the other and a cop badge on his chest wearing a Kevlar helmet because that is what we want. We wanted to be protected. You know the simple fact is that no one really worries about the Bill of Rights when they have a burglar inside their living room.

Whalen: Right.

Capt May: And what they did is they create the sudden appearance of a burglar. A boogy man. Bin Laden and his nineteen wicked stepsons who did 9-11. They came up with a Hollywood script preset that they imposed on us with great premeditation and great organization. And they did it with certain numeric and ideological points that would embed. That would drive this into our psyche and make us willing to do it.

Whalen: What we try to do here on the program with what I call this news forecast is to look for those indicators, because you can really see that they are almost obligated to give a little bit of truth along with the lie, and if you can seek that out, you can really start to pick up on these things. You know, before we get into the methodology that you used for some of your warnings, and we will talk about some of those warnings and where they are at right now, because there has been so much that has developed, you mentioned a little bit that September 11th was like a Hollywood script, you are right on point. That is the first thing that I have heard from everyone. They did not believe it. They said this looks like a Hollywood special effect.

Capt May: The info war, what we are talking about that set up 9-11. The info war goes back to the first day of the last Gulf War. At the end of the Gulf War, in fact yesterday we discussed that my first essay of military analysis was written one year after I volunteered for Desert Storm. And I wrote it, defending Bush I in his decision not to do the dumb thing and the thing that Bush II did, and that was to stick the Army into Iraq. At that time, there were insiders in the Bush regime, the first Bush cabinet, the first Bush presidency, who wanted to throw us into this entire Middle Eastern war by attacking Iraq and invading at that point in 1991 and 1992. The info war really begins with those people who were shut out and put down and not allowed to manipulate American foreign policy into engaging us into a general Middle Eastern War after the liberation of Kuwait in 1992. Along the way in the next ten years before 9-11, 9-11 is embedded into the public psyche. Now understand the info war is fought by all media assets. All the way from the New York news establishment to the Los Angeles movie establishment. Hollywood.

Whalen: Yes.

Capt May: And it is worth remarking, because people are amazed at how accurate this is. One of the best action movies you will ever see was also planned for World War III, and that was Independence Day. In the same way that 9-11 was created to make us want to empower the government to please save us, Independence Day, which was brought out five years before 9-11, floated the idea of a fighter pilot president coming to lead the nation to victory in a struggle for survival against an alien that suddenly appeared out of nowhere. The first thing that alien does in the three days of Independence Day is blow up two towers. They are the Empire State Building, representing the New York media, and the library tower. Bush was talking about the library tower a week ago. The library tower was the second of the two towers blown up on Independence Day. Now folks can say it is coincidence all they want, but the day the two towers were blown up on 9-11, reporters at ground zero were saying "Oh, My God, this is just like the movie Independence Day." And Independence Day was a manipulation. In fact, the Independence Day you know was marketed by the code of ID4. Independence 4th of July, or "ID4." Independence Day ID4 was a media presentation of the Hollywood scenario for World War III. It was the info war study. It was the white paper in effect. If was an essay. A visual essay done to work off the scenario of World War III in the event that they had to do it with a fighter pilot president who was leading us against a sudden enemy from abroad. By the way, when you think of George Bush doing the victory dance after Iraq by landing on the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, May 1st 2003, just think of the last sequence of scenes of Independence Day and what the President is dressed as to look like. Then think of Bush on the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln. Exact same images. Independence Day was in effect -- you have heard of a movie by the Germans called Triumph of the Will? About the German Nuremberg Rally of 1934. It was done by a great propagandist named Leni Riefenstahl. Independence Day is the Triumph of the Will, the propaganda piece of the neocons and the media establishment.

Whalen: You know, you are right. And there are so many more indicators in that film alone. You were talking about Gulf War I and about how the idea was pooh-poohed to actually go in there. I am reminded of a film called Three Kings.

Capt May: Oh, yes, yes. George Cluny was in that.

Whalen: In Three Kings it almost made it look like Gulf War I was an unfinished job. And that came out in 1997? 1998? Somewhere around there, maybe?

Capt May: It was around then.

Whalen: That movie makes it seem like we are abandoning all these poor people. We need to go in there because now Saddam is going to just kill them all. And that is what I got out of that film.

Capt May: You are talking about Three Kings, and I agree entirely. When you look at Hollywood, when you look at any media, the art of analysis is to be to look at something with half lies and be able to pick out the half truths in it. Every representation by media is a glass half full of substance and half empty, and that is the lie. And what you have to do is swallow the substance and not swallow the air. The lies are just air. Just filler. And when you look at movies, a lot of movies are what we call coded movies. This is nothing unusual. When I started the info wars, one of my mentors was an art history professor, Dr. Peter Gunther, an octogenarian, University of Houston professor who taught me aesthetics, but he had also been born in 1920 in Germany and had been swept up in the whole Hitler thing. He was not part of the party or anything else. He was a nineteen year old body and he was drafted in the military. He spent five or six years fighting that war. He was the first person who taught me that what we are doing now is the exact same thing that Hitler and Goebbels did with the Third Reich to set up their scenario.

Whalen: There are a lot of different analogies between the U.S. and late 30's Germany. We'll get back into it after this short break (50 min, 50 sec).

Whalen: [return from the break 54 min, 34 sec], It is almost the end of the hour number three of our Thursday edition, and a lot of stuff still to cover. Please welcome our guest back to the program here. Captain May, I am so glad that you are here today and am honored that you would take time to spend it here today. One of the things we have discussed and it was all off air is through Ghost Troop your cyber intelligence unit that you had up we are talking about intelligence, in which surely as this war on terror has been instated and pursued different things have been on the agenda that have been foiled. You have made what I believe are four predictions?

Capt May: Four and all four of them correct.

Whalen: And all of them are correct?

Capt May: Let me describe without getting into the methodology too much, by the way one word, folks we are going to leave off the Third Reich, the propaganda war, the mobilization through the national media, but these are not new concepts. These are Orwellian, these are Hitlerian, this is Stalinesque, these are standard mass control techniques when you decide that you are going to take over your country and lead it to a war. And when we were talking about Independence Day, my challenge would be to all folks out there, Frank, that they get the movie. And you watch it, and you see how many hints you come up with. But I assure you, if you do not come up with a dozen, you are a dullard.

Whalen: You are exactly right. And you know the other day The Patriot, the Mel Gibson flick, was on TV, and I noticed, maybe for the first time, all the different administration words that we hear all the time. Stay the course. When they stand up, we'll stand down. We've got to strengthen our resolve. And all these different phrases. Straight out of the Patriot.

Capt May: Of course. And given that my mentor in this was a former German citizen during the war and a Wehrmacht officer, I was not the only Captain in Ghost Troop for a while. I had a German war veteran who was an American citizen for fifty years, rest in peace, he died a year ago, he is the one who said, "Why are you surprised by all of this?" This is exactly what they have done. He used to joke with me and say, "You are shocked because you are only seeing it for the first time. For me it is the second." And he said it so frequently that it saved me probably a year or two of analysis to simply realize that I didn't need to fight the coincidences that so many things looked like the Third Reich and the Third World War. What we are saying with the info war is that this is nothing less than a pre-packaged Fourth Reich set up and established with the idea of fighting a Third World War. Reich's and World Wars go together. Let us go ahead and move on to Texas City. I brought everyone up to the point that I said that Ghost Troop worked specifically on the media cover up of the Battle of Baghdad. At that point we worked through all established mechanisms and agencies we would work with. You think of people we could contact to get interviews and that is who we contacted. Through the reference you put on your site, Frank, the second one has my bibliography. I have prepared a four volume report to Congress that is very well hyper-linked and annotated. If you want to look it up, you can see how many people we have contacted. We can see whether or not we have contacted people you would have contacted. All the way up to Senators, editors, judges, top military officers, you name it. And they were in touch with us too. They just weren't doing their job. But after that year, we had become pretty cynical about what government was capable of doing. And we learned a very important thing, which is all the government is in on it. And what I mean by that is there are a certain number of active participants in every thing from the judiciary to the Congress, the legislative branch, and the executive. And there are a few people who are hardened participants. A lot of people who are turning their heads.

Whalen: We will come back to the fourth and final hour of the program today with Eric May, Captain of Ghost Troop.

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. . ..Captain May is a former Army military intelligence and public affairs officer, as well as a former NBC editorial writer. His political and military analyses have appeared in The Wall Street Journal, The Houston Chronicle and Military Intelligence Magazine. Readers can receive regular updates on Noble Resolve through the Portland Nuclear Inquest:



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