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THE PAST AS PROLOGUE
Part One — The Past as Prologue, concentrates on a series
of personal interviews, all with a direct bearing on certain selected
momentous events.These personal interviews emphasize the fact that
they are all of a set piece, namely a preliminary act or event,
now past, yet, whose dramatic performance is yet to come.
Former Pentagon Official Says “No-Win
Part of Global Government Plan
. . .A revealing background in international
political subversion, global power politics, weapons sales, and
the strange ties of Zionism to Britain, Bolshevism and the Third
Reich were discussed on three consecutive broadcasts of the weekly
call-in talk forum, Radio Free America,
with Tom Valentine as host, (March 2001).
. . .The guest was former high-ranking
Pentagon official Col. Donn de Grand Pré, author of the new
book Barbarians Inside the Gates: The Black Book of
. . .What follows is a three-part edited
transcript with Grand Pré, covering three separate interviews.
Valentine’s questions are in boldface. Grand Pré’s
responses are in regular text.
Valentine: You have a very interesting background and were
well-poised to write a book like Barbarians Inside the Gates.
The Washington Post Magazine wrote about you on Sept. 30,
1979 and told its readers:
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. . .“If
you had been a Middle Eastern ruler in the 1970s in search of American
weapons systems, you would have called Donn de Grand Pré,
Pentagon arms peddler. These days the former arms salesman farms
in Virginia and says weapon proliferation is out of control."
. . .Tell us a bit about your background.
Grand Pré: I started out as a farm boy up in North Dakota.
In my youth I ended up in Burma and China as an 18-year-old Morse
Code radio operator during World War II in the area that is now
called the Golden Triangle. I came home in late 1945 and started
flying privately and going to college. Then I wrangled a commission,
just in time to be called back to duty for the Korean debacle, which
was called a “police action.” I was a paratrooper and
combat troop commander. I was wounded, and then became an intelligence
officer. Then I was wounded again and shipped home in 1953. 1 spent
two years recuperating and finishing my degree.
. . .I got a job as a night editor
at a daily newspaper and learned how to write “tight”.
I was very fortunate, in school, that I had Professor E.C. Blackorby
as my main political instructor. He was an expert on the Middle
East and he taught me something called geopolitics — the politics
of geographic location — that stuck with me and stood me in
good stead when I returned to active duty. I ended up on the staff
of the Army chief of staff in the Pentagon.
. . .I became deputy chief of the international
division by that time, and Secretary of Defense Bob McNamara was
chief honcho then. He liked my geopolitical approach and put me
in the office of John McNaughton, who was assistant secretary of
defense for international security affairs. He appointed me director
of ground weapons systems and turned me into an international arms
. . .I spent much of my time flying
over to the Middle East/South Asia... such countries as Kuwait,
Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Morocco. I
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worked those countries and delighted in what my mission was: to
negotiate with the heads of state for the sale of millions of dollars
worth of military equipment, arms,ammunition, radar. You name it
— we sold it. We went into those countries and negotiated
government-to-government contracts. Then, our industrial colleagues
in the private sector would do an industry-to-country back-up contract.
. . .For example, I sold C-130 aircraft
to Morocco. A C-130 representative from Lockheed would be on hand
and after I was done negotiating with King Hassan, the Lockheed
rep would come in and negotiate the back-up contract to deliver
the goods and the spare parts. So it was the “military-industrial
complex” and it was very exciting.
Valentine:You put this background to very good use in writing
Barbarians Inside the Gates. You have an inside understanding
of how power politics works in the modern world.
Grand Pré: I wrote the book from the standpoint of a military
man, since most of my life was spent in the military. Most military
men know their job, whatever it happens to be. However, very few
military men (and this includes their civilian bosses in the Pentagon)
understand the question of geopolitics. It is nothing more than
the financial, political, economic impact of geographic location.
The military has the role of enforcing foreign affairs.
. . .Because I had a pretty good grasp
of geopolitics, I was pulled up into the office of the secretary
of defense. I understood the ideologies behind geopolitics, but
many people are confused by this question of ideology. Geopolitical
ideologies deal with territory and power.
. . .We must be aware — especially
in the Middle East today — of something known as “hegemony”,
that is, leadership, or dominance over a particular area.The chief
problem in the Middle East today is that the Israelis have their
mind set on being the hegemonic power in the Middle East.
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. . .There are several ideologies behind
hegemonic thinking. There is Pan-Americanism: America for the Americans!
We are no longer under that ideology that came with the Monroe Doctrine
of 1823, when we said to the European powers — especially
the sea-going nations — you keep out of American affairs and
we will keep out of European affairs. Then, with the coming of FDR
in 1933, we gave up on Pan- Americanism and lost control of our
. . .There is this secret ideology
of international finance centered in that area known as “The
City of London”— the global financial capitalists based
in a small area inside London, England. That secret ideology has
taken the place of Pan-Americanism, due largely to the fact that
the United States signed on to the Federal Reserve System in 1913,
and now we have this international financial system integrated into
the United States and dominated by the City of London financial
. . .There is also the ideology of
Pan-Slavism. When the Bolsheviks took over in 1917-1921, they expanded
the scope of Pan-Slavism and broadened it to include world control.
We now find ourselves with no Pan-Americanism nor Pan-Slavism, substituting
the ideology of International Finance and International Zionism,
and virtually destroying not only the Constitution, but our very
way of life.
. . .Another ideology was Pan-Germanism.
Germany, of course, was never a threat to the United States. The
ideology of Pan-Germanism was based on control of the heartland
of Europe. The Versailles Treaty chopped Germany and the Austro-Hungarian
Empire to pieces.
. . .The fifth ideology is “Asia
for the Asiatics.” Initially, Japan dominated, but it looks
as though Red China is going to replace Japan as the hegemonic power.
Valentine: What are the seven levers of power?
Grand Pré: Coupled with the five ideologies are the seven
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ical levers of power. Any group wanting to seek domination over
any government anywhere must grab for those seven levers of power.
With absolute control of these seven levers, they will then obtain
total despotic power over the citizens of any given country. It
applies to the little state of Israel or to the giant United States
. . .Not that long ago, we saw Bill
and Hillary Clinton grasping for these seven critical levers of
power and almost getting all of them into their grasp. The primary
lever of power is money — finance, banking, investment, monetary
distribution. The next is media, which has been totally monopolized
by one ethnic group. The third is muscle, concentrated in the military.
The next lever is markets — exports, imports, distribution
of goods. Then we have mind control — mainly propaganda, public
opinion and education. The medical lever is also important, taking
in hospitals, doctors, and the insurance industry.
. . .Hillary Clinton moved in this
area — the medical — and pretty much failed the test.
The Clintons also fell down in the military area. For example, I
was back-channeling with a lot of military people during the 78
days of bombing in Kosovo and they were close to mutiny.
. . .There is a note of optimism. I
still associate with a lot of military people in the hierarchy.
After the debacle in Kosovo, where Clinton was throwing cruise missiles
around at sovereign nations, about 70 percent of the military are
now in our corner. The fundamental leadership in the military is
. . .The other lever of power that
the Clintons got a handle on was morals — including our culture,
our mores, our religious beliefs.
Valentine: The SPOTLIGHT newspaper has a special report
on Cultural Communism and how this ideology, a subset of classical
Bolshevism, works to destroy American traditions.
Grand Pré: They do it on a daily basis, particularly with
the kids in school. Kids are bombarded daily by the mainline media.
In my new
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book, I have a chapter entitled “Understanding Propaganda
in Public Opinion”, in which I mention Walter Lippmann’s
book, Public Opinion, which showed how
the British manipulated American opinion following World War I.
Edward Bernays, who was Lippmann’s accomplice, wrote a book
called Propaganda in the late 1920s. It
deals with manipulation of the mind on a mass scale.
Valentine: Working for the Pentagon, you had a great deal
of experience in the middle East and have pinpointed the role of
Zionism — the political movement behind the state of Israel
and its power in the world today — as one of those “barbarians
inside the gates.”
Grand Pré: Before the actual foundation of the state of Israel
in 1948, there was actually a Zionist nation. In 1902, Theodore
Herzl, the godfather of the state of Israel, was talking to a member
of the House of Lords in the British Parliament. He said,
. . .“I’ll give you my
definition of a nation and you can add the adjective Jewish. A nation
is in my mind an historic group of men of a recognizable cohesion,
held together by a common enemy. That is my view of a nation If
you add to that the word Jewish you have what I understand to be
the Jewish nation.”
. . .Then, in 1897, in conjunction
with another Jewish intellectual named Chaim Weisman, Herzl formed
the international Zionist political movement. They also joined forces
in England with Fabian Socialism. This is what I call the barbarians
inside the gates. In Britain, it is called British Israelism. This
goes back in history.
. . .You’ll remember the English
civil war when Oliver Cromwell set out to murder the monarch, Charles
I, and to destroy the Anglican Church. It was Cromwell who invited
the Jews back into England. The Jews had been banished from England
in 1290 and it wasn’t until 350 years later that Cromwell
invited them back. He specifi-
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cally invited Rabbi Manassah ben Israel of Holland. This led to
establishment of the Bank of England in 1694, and with that combine,
under British Israelism, we had the build-up of this vast British
empire that developed.
Valentine: The British empire looted India and Pakistan
for 150 years and this is what financed its worldwide expansion.
Grand Pré: That’s correct. The British also subverted
China with opium. And a lot of our New England wealth came out of
this, including such families as the Roosevelts and the Delanos.
. . .However, let’s return to
the origins of Zionism. The Sixth Zionist Congress convened at Basel,
Switzerland, in 1903. The main speaker at that event was Dr. Max
Nordau. He said: “that great progressive power, England, in
sympathy for our people, offered the Jewish nation an autonomous
colony in Uganda. While it was not Palestine, nothing is so valuable
as amicable relations with such a power as England. Thus, he encouraged
them to accept the offer to create a precedent in their favor.”
. . .He pointed out that they stood
before a tremendous upheaval of the whole world, that soon a world
congress would be called, and that England could continue the work
it had begun with its generous offer to the Sixth Zionist Congress.
. . .He was talking about a future world war and a peace congress
to follow. This was in 1903 and he was talking — in advance
— about a World War and the (Versailles) Treaty, and saying
that a Jewish Palestine would be created as a result.
. . .There were several Americans who
attended that Zionist Congress. One of them was Litman Rosenthal.
Later, in 1919 Rosenthal also published an article by a former New
York Governor, Martin Glynn, in which Glynn described the murder
of six million European Jews in “the great war” [World
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Valentine: Yes, that’s right. The special “all
Holocaust” issue of the bimonthly history magazine, The
Barnes Review, points out the story that six million Jews were
also killed in World War I.
Grand Pré: However, the people of the United States rejected
the League of Nations (the peace congress), and a Jewish state did
not materialize in Palestine as they wanted. They needed another
war to bring in what I call the “Jewish sympathy factor”.
There were many other reasons why World War II came about.
. . .But, here’s the linkage
between International Zionism and Fabian Socialism: the British
Israelism factor. These are the people who instigated the Treaty
of Versailles. The treaty was designed to destroy Germany as a power
in central Europe and make it ripe for Bolshevization.
. . .At the same time, the Czarist
monarchy in Russia was being raped by the Bolsheviks. This paved
the way for the eternal Zionist dream of global conquest by controlling
what earlier was called “the League to Enforce Peace.”
Valentine: Few people realize that the Versailles treaty
was actually designed with the ultimate aim of allowing Bolshevism
to move into Europe unimpeded.
Grand Pré: That was done in conjunction with the destruction
of Germany and the takeover of Russia in its entirety. Following
this infamous treaty, the German middle class was reduced to beggary
by the devaluation of the mark. For example, in the 1920s, it cost
6,000 marks to buy a two-cent stamp. It cost 50,000 marks for one
. . .At that time there was a minister
in the cabinet of the Weimar Republic, who threw open the borders
of Germany for the unrestricted immigration of Jews from Lithuania
and Poland.They joined forces
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with Jewish profiteers in Germany who bought up land, newspapers,
family heirlooms, businesses, art treasures, for two cents on the
. . .This ties into the movement to
establish a Zionist presence in Palestine. There was a secret alliance
between International Zionism and the top echelons of National Socialism
(or what we know as “Nazism”) in Germany. This alliance
was kept secret for a long time.
. . .The Jewish nation, represented
by certain people out of the Zionist movement, formulated an agreement
with Hitler and the National Socialists. Both the National Socialists
and the Zionists wanted the Jews out of Germany. The Zionists wanted
them to go to Palestine to live in a Jewish homeland. Zionist leaders
from Palestine came to Berlin and met with National Socialist leaders.
This arrangement was known as the Transfer Agreement.
. . .This Transfer Agreement allowed
for Jewish money to be transferred out of Germany to a bank in Tel
Aviv where the Zionists could draw their money out to establish
themselves in Palestine.
. . .Now we hear unendingly about Hitler’s
“Final Solution” and the talk about “extermination”;
and yet, if you look at the documents, no document has ever been
unearthed that spoke of the final solution, nor of extermination.
Valentine: So, how did the Zionists get so strong in Palestine?
Grand Pré: In 1944 there were a little more than a million
Arabs in Palestine. The Arab Christians numbered 135,000. However,
by steady colonization over a 20-year period, the Jewish population
increased from 80,000 in 1924 to over 528,000 by 1944. Lord Rothschild
had initially financed the infiltration by purchasing key land from
Arab owners in Palestine. However, the vast majority of the increase
in the Jewish population came from the work of the Jewish Irgun
working with the Third Reich.
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. . .In 1945 the World Jewish Congress
met in London at the end of World War II; they wanted the abrogation
of what was known as the Palestine White Paper. In 1939, Britain,
which had the mandate over Palestine, said that no more Jews should
be coming into Palestine. So the World Jewish Congress wanted to
Valentine: It’s interesting that the British started
the whole thing, but then turned around and tried to prohibit any
further Jews from going to Palestine.
Grand Pré: By 1946 the Zionists instituted what they called
“the terror”. Because the British would not let the
Jews go into Palestine, they launched bombings, assassinations,
and other criminal activities against the British. This was the
work of the Irgun, led by Menachem Begin. In July of 1946, Begin
blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem where the British military
headquarters was located. Ninety-one people were killed, 45 injured.
. . .As a concession to the World Jewish
Congress, 100,000 immigration certificates for European Jews were
issued. So the use of terrorism accrued to the benefit of the Zionists…as
it usually does…Terrorism works!
. . .In October 1946, President Truman
urged the release of the 100,000 certificates so that an adequate
area could be established in Palestine for the Zionists.Truman wasn’t
prepared to support giving the whole of Palestine to the Zionists,
but he wanted them to have a part of it.
. . .This led to the Holy Land becoming
an armed camp. The Stern Gang joined the Irgun; they killed Lord
Moyne, the British executive in Palestine, and by 1947 the World
Jewish Congress sent a memo demanding a Zionist state in Palestine;
sure enough, they got it.
. . .By 1947 the United Nations was
embryonic. The Arabs turned to the UN, which asked for a democratic,
secular state in Palestine with
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equal rights for all of its inhabitants. In fact, up until the beginning
of World War II, the Arabs in Palestine lived in close proximity
and worked side-by-side with Jews in Palestine, but the Eastern
European Zionists turned that arrangement on its head through the
use of terrorism.
. . .You may recall the Deir Yassin
massacre under Menachem Begin, who orchestrated the slaughter of
the entire population of 250 men, women and children. They called
this a “masterpiece of military tactics.”
. . .The Zionists were not content
with what the UN allotted them. The UN wanted to split Palestine
in two and let the Palestinians have one half, but the Zionists
didn’t want that. In fact, they want it all…and are
fast getting it all.
Valentine: What was the role of Golda Meir in all this?
. . .The late Jack Bernstein wrote
a book, The Life of An American Jew in Racist, Marxist
Israel. He was an American Jew,who went to Israel
and became disillusioned. In his book, he wrote of the Meir-Stalin-
Kaganovich pact. Golda Meir (Meyersohn) was the Wisconsin-raised
Israeli Ambassador to Soviet Russia.
. . .This astounding top-secret pact
between the Israelis and the Soviets held that (1) the United States
or any Western country would not be able to build any military bases
on Israeli territory; (2) an official Communist Party would be allowed
to function in Israel; and (3) there would never be any attempt
by the Soviets to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but would
always support Western powers favoring Israel over the Arabs. Israel
would continue its Marxist economic policies.
. . .The Soviets instituted a “pro-Arab”
policy as a camouflage. The true Soviet intention was to furnish
military aid to the Arabs that
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would never be enough for them to destroy Israel. They would encourage
Jewish emigration to Israel from Soviet satellite countries and
would allow immigration of Soviet Jews to Israel. There would also
be a free exchange of intelligence from Israel to the Soviets and
. . .During the months leading up to
the Yom Kippur War in October1973, I spent most of that time in
Kuwait and Pakistan. I saw the war coming, just as everyone else
in government hierarchies did, but the Israelis claimed that they
were “taken by surprise” on this their holiest day.
Valentine: The Arabs were tricked into attacking the Israelis
and they got clobbered.
Grand Pré: The United States had the 82nd Airborne ready
to go. The Soviets had troops, ostensibly to go in, but they didn’t
go in. Then, Henry Kissinger moved in and started his negotiations.
It was a charade and continues to be.
. . .Today, Ariel Sharon is a strong
believer in Bolshevik terror tactics. He is a true war hawk, and
his Likud Party goal is the expansion of Israel to what they call
its “Biblical borders.” Bolshevism’s principle
doctrine is that the end justifies the means and this goes back
to the Illuminati.
Valentine: Your book contends that there is war against
America and that we are losing. Who is waging war against us?
Grand Pré: We are not only losing the war, but we are losing
our country. Dr.Thomas Sowell addressed this question when he said,
“The barbarians are not at the gates. They are inside the
gates and have academic tenure, judicial appointments, government
grants and control of the movies, television and the other media.”
He also said: “The question of the hour and of the next century
is whether all of this can be turned around.”
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. . .So we come to my book. In a nutshell,
what Sowell said is what Barbarians Inside the Gates
is all about. It defines, chapter by chapter, the progression of
the takeover of our country by an alien force which has infiltrated
into the highest offices of the land and is, in effect, stealing
our patrimony. The Zionists today now control most of the policymaking
Valentine: What you’ve put in your fascinating book
goes hand in hand with what one of your former colleagues in the
Pentagon, Col. Fletcher Prouty, had to say in his book and in some
32 appearances here over the years on Radio Free America.
Grand Pré: I appreciate you mentioning Prouty. He and I were
both working for the office of the Secretary of Defense in the 1960s.
Fletcher was the liaison, in the latter years, between the CIA and
the Pentagon. I was in the international division working directly
for Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara under General Bob York.
Fletcher had such a grasp on what was happening. He and I were in
sync on many things. He knew what was happening with Vietnam.
. . .I had been badly wounded in the
war in Korea and as such I was now stationed in the Pentagon, kind
of side-tracked for a while…I had become a geopolitician of
sorts, and McNamara knew this. So, while some of my colleagues were
over fighting this no-win war in Vietnam, I was pretty much up at
the highest levels in the Pentagon, watching all the Harvard scholars
and the Rhodes Scholars run our military into the ground in French
Indochina, better known as Vietnam. Fletcher Prouty was there in
the Pentagon, too, and he has written eloquently about all of this.
Valentine: Your book contends that high-level international
financial interests driven by power and profit, in league with the
forces of Zionism and Bolshevism, in a wide-ranging number of areas,
are working to gain control of the world and are responsible for
many of the upheavals throughout the
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Grand Pré: This is so true. If I could just go back in time,
because I think it’s highly pertinent to what happened in
1963. I’m not particularly talking about the assassination
of President Kennedy, I’m talking about what happened with
my boss, Secretary of Defense McNamara. He commissioned a study
to be done. It was later generally known as the “Report from
. . .At that time, around April 1963,
I was working for a marvelous officer, a hero of World War II, General
Bob York, the chief of the International Division. It was in April
that President Kennedy called General York to the White House and
said, “Hey, Bob, I want you to go over to Vietnam and find
out what’s going on. I’m getting different reports,
and I’m not sure what’s really going on.”
. . .So Bob York went over for about
six weeks and while he was gone, this study materialized. Later
in 1966 it was released. However, this was a top secret study.
Valentine: Leonard Lewin, who wrote a book about that study,
published under the title The Report From Iron Mountain, later tried
to claim that the book was simply satirical fiction that purportedly
poked fun at the think tank mentality affecting policy makers at
Grand Pré: Yes, but I know that it wasn’t. I was there.
Let me give you one of the scenarios from that particular study.
One of the policy makers that I was associated with at the time
— for good or for ill — was Henry Kissinger.
. . .At that time, Henry was an untenured
professor at Harvard University; he was also working for the Operations
Research Office at the Pentagon, which was paying him a stipend
for that work. Simultaneously, Henry was also working for the Council
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Relations under Nelson Rockefeller.
. . .Henry would come into the Pentagon
and since my boss, General York, was his contact there, I became
Henry’s contact. It evolved into informal luncheons where
Kissinger would come down from the Hudson Institute, which is close
to Iron Mountain, where he and 14 others were working on this study.
Henry was a little bit reluctant to talk about this study, but he
gave us enough information to enable us to realize that there was
such a study going on. It lasted anywhere from eight to ten months.
. . .During these luncheons, Henry
was accompanied by Fritz Kramer, who had been with Henry in the
Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC) in the Army in Germany after World
War II. Kramer was a German with a marvelous sense of humor and
a German accent. Henry cultivated his own German accent. Henry was
an enigma. Another fellow, who would join us, was a young Army colonel
named Alexander Haig. Of course, both Kissinger and Haig later became
secretaries of state. They hated each other’s guts, but here
they were breaking bread together.
. . .At any rate, I picked up a lot
of information at that time and I reflected on it at a later date.
I know that Helmut Sonnenfeldt, another alien from Germany, who
had also been a CIC agent in Germany (and who, by the way, along
with Henry Kissinger had been a secret Soviet agent), was also involved
in that study. The Iron Mountain study was not fiction, by any means.
. . .The overall purpose of the study
was to analyze different ways a government can perpetuate itself
in power, control its citizens and prevent them from rebelling.
The major conclusion was that, in the past, war was the only reliable
means to achieve their goal. Remember, this study was in the process
of being formulated in early 1963. Kissinger’s intellectual
buddies from Harvard, and also from Yale, were already formulating
this no-win war in Vietnam.
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. . .In any event in June 1963, Bob
York came back from Vietnam and made his report to JFK. He recommended
that we pull all of our forces out of Vietnam. A National Security
Memorandum numbered 263, was issued by JFK to that effect, stating
that all troops would be pulled out of Vietnam. This came out in
October 1963, a month before the power elite killed him. NSM 263
specified that 1,000 troops would be pulled out by Christmas of
Valentine: As I recall, Prouty said that there were only
16,000 total U.S. forces in Vietnam. We didn’t have any combat
troops there at all. There were about 2,000 advisors who were Special
Forces Green Beret men. NSM 263 said that everybody would be out
of Vietnam by no later than 1965. Fletcher Prouty is convinced that
this was one of the things that sparked the plot to kill President
Grand Pré: It was; I’m positive of that. I not only
get that from Fletcher Prouty. This is what led to the assassination
of the president by the Establishment — what I call the “money
power”. This included elements within the CIA. Besides Prouty,
we have Michael Collins Piper’s book, Final Judgment
(which implicates Israel’s Mossad alongside the CIA in the
assassination). A wonderful book.
. . .JFK also had two other things
that he planned to do. He was going to break the CIA into a thousand
pieces. A lot of people, including my boss, General York, had the
ear of JFK and they looked upon the CIA, which was formed in 1947,
as a direct slap in the face of the military services. The CIA spooks
come in as a fourth service and subverted the intelligence-gathering
capabilities of the military services. They continue, unabated,
to do it.
Valentine: Final Judgment reiterates your theme
that the international Zionist forces were effectively killing several
birds with one stone. They were fomenting these little wars so that
their one-world United Nations could take charge and they
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were getting rid of Kennedy on behalf of Israeli Prime Minister
Ben-Gurion, who was angry because JFK was trying to prevent Israel
from building the nuclear bomb, which was the very cornerstone of
Israel’s foreign and military policy.
Grand Pré: Piper does a terrific job with that book. Later,
the ethnic upsurges in the Balkans and of the Kurds in Iraq were
also instigated by Henry Kissinger and his group called Kissinger
Associates, a private consulting firm that he started
after he left the State Department and the post of national security
. . .One of his colleagues in Kissinger
Associates is Lawrence Eagleburger (who also served
as secretary of state under George Bush). He was another enigma.
I know him well…Eagleburger from Wisconsin. He had been a
State Department economist down in Honduras and came over to the
Pentagon. He was very arrogant and it was very fitting that he and
Kissinger got together.
. . .Lord Carrington and Lord Owen
from Britain were also part of Kissinger’s operation.They
are the people who actually fomented the ethnic upsurges in the
Balkans, using British intelligence operatives, who went in just
like we used Delta Force or CIA operatives.You had religious and
ethnic differences and they were cultivated and pitted against one
Valentine: Thus, all of this gives NATO and the United Nations
the opportunity to move in and attempt to “solve” the
problem, but what they really do is worsen the problem.
Grand Pré: Well, I was still in the Pentagon when Secretary
of Defense McNamara finally got a bellyful of what was going on
. . .He had a lovely wife — Margaret
— who had cancer and she died. We saw McNamara just about
fall apart. He resigned and they pulled in Clark Clifford to the
defense post for a short while.
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